RE: Porsche 968 Club Sport: Spotted
Discussion
J4CKO said:
the great thing is, if you arent bothered about it becoming a national treasure, you can get a decent normal 968, 944 (S2 or Turbo), do your own lightening, fit decent coilovers and other suspension stuff, improve the gear linkage, good tyres, better brakes, get a full geo done and perhaps some engine tuning (probably more a turbo thing, but you can do stuff to an S2, just the gains are not huge) and end up with something that is a better, more capable drive, or at least as good, but there is always a beard to tell you it isnt an original so you cant possibly be enjoying it.
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I own a Maritime Blue 968 CS with a SD cage, KW 3 way, Brembo big red brakes, KAAZ LSD, ECU upgrade, harness and turbo spoiler etc. Its a damn ugly thing which (owning what I do) I have taken serious flack for since I bought it. Until I drove it for the first time (after id bought it) none of it made any sense at all. However, the car is without any doubt one of the best cars I have ever driven in terms of open road driving and handling. No car I have owned has got so much praise from people who have driven it probably based on first impressions.
I advise buying a good straight manual 6spd 968 for as cheap as you can and spending money on the brakes, suspension, ecu, and a LSD. You will have one of the best handling cars out there for around £15k maybe. I bought a CS simply because I thought its value would be stable as it was a rare model and Maritime Blue is a favorite colour of mine too.
It occurs to me not that the CS is bonkers high in asking price but how bonkers cheap a stock 968 is.
I advise buying a good straight manual 6spd 968 for as cheap as you can and spending money on the brakes, suspension, ecu, and a LSD. You will have one of the best handling cars out there for around £15k maybe. I bought a CS simply because I thought its value would be stable as it was a rare model and Maritime Blue is a favorite colour of mine too.
It occurs to me not that the CS is bonkers high in asking price but how bonkers cheap a stock 968 is.
This guy is surely having a laugh? It's a sunroof model a) there's no m030 pack specced b) following that the cage, seats and brakes are all non oem. Plus why was the engine rebuilt at 50k? There should be no need for that.
I had one of these for a while 4 years ago, fantastic cars, but really £28k good? Never with that motor IMO. I've been wrong before though it has to be said;)
I had one of these for a while 4 years ago, fantastic cars, but really £28k good? Never with that motor IMO. I've been wrong before though it has to be said;)
MOTK said:
This guy is surely having a laugh? It's a sunroof model a) there's no m030 pack specced b) following that the cage, seats and brakes are all non oem. Plus why was the engine rebuilt at 50k? There should be no need for that.
I had one of these for a while 4 years ago, fantastic cars, but really £28k good? Never with that motor IMO. I've been wrong before though it has to be said;)
Totally agree. The 968 CS was not really that focused at all IMO - option of a sunroof, comfort seats as standard etc. Yes, there were some minimal weight saving measures but they didn't go as far as Honda did with the Integra R or Renault did with the Clio for example. I had one of these for a while 4 years ago, fantastic cars, but really £28k good? Never with that motor IMO. I've been wrong before though it has to be said;)
I drove a 968 back to back with a Honda DC2 R and quite frankly the Japanese car made the Porsche seem pretty dull.
As far as I understand, the Sport is mechanically IDENTICAL to the Clubsport (cosmetic differences such as manual window winders, small battery and no rear wiper or seats don't quite sound as convincing as an actual mechanical or dynamic upgrade?) And I guessed I would see the obvious appeal of the Sport / CS over the base model, but then when you look at the specs, these cars seem to have exactly the same drive train as the base model except for lower suspension?? In my head then the price difference is just daft and 100% based on market speculation and not driver appeal, particularly as they will all need a suspension refresh by now anyway)
I'd be interested to hear different, but doesn't every other Porsche special edition that commands a premium have an actual mechanical advantage? I've driven several of the 944 range (including 944s2, 968S and CS) and they I found them very similar, with the real difference seemingly coming down to how an individual car is set up, rather than what version is designated on the log book. Bizarrely the big annoyance for me is the ugly airbag steering wheel on the base model 968. I'd be happy enough if it wasn't there in the first place, but know I couldn't bring myself to replace an airbag wheel with a CS wheel
I'd be interested to hear different, but doesn't every other Porsche special edition that commands a premium have an actual mechanical advantage? I've driven several of the 944 range (including 944s2, 968S and CS) and they I found them very similar, with the real difference seemingly coming down to how an individual car is set up, rather than what version is designated on the log book. Bizarrely the big annoyance for me is the ugly airbag steering wheel on the base model 968. I'd be happy enough if it wasn't there in the first place, but know I couldn't bring myself to replace an airbag wheel with a CS wheel
The front springs are a bit shorter. I read some of those old reviews and they actually preferred the stock suspension with those springs and 17" wheels, or to put it another way just what most Sports came with or for that matter any 968 fitted with CS front springs which is a very easy mod. The Koni M030 suspension for either the 944 or 968 is very stiffly damped, many people find it to agricultural these days. To save weight take the spare wheel, tools, jack and rear seat back out saves about 30 Kg and gets one most of the way there for 10 minutes work.
I agree the CS has always only made any sense to me if one can find a factory original non-sunroof car with M030, LSD and low miles on the clock. An almost impossible combination unfortunately due to the limited numbers of cars made like this.
I agree the CS has always only made any sense to me if one can find a factory original non-sunroof car with M030, LSD and low miles on the clock. An almost impossible combination unfortunately due to the limited numbers of cars made like this.
1750jb said:
Bizarrely the big annoyance for me is the ugly airbag steering wheel on the base model 968. I'd be happy enough if it wasn't there in the first place, but know I couldn't bring myself to replace an airbag wheel with a CS wheel
For what it's worth, I think only late 968s had airbags. 968s are a big itch for me, just not sure I can justify it.
Further to my previous comment, at the same time as I had my CS I also had a Citroen BX Diesel Estate. The two cars were registered within a couple of months of one another, yet the lightweight, 2 (bucket) seat sports car was heavier than the comfy 5-seat family estate car with a boat-anchor diesel engine up front.
I found this slightly amusing but it did beg a question about Porsche's dedication to weight loss!
I found this slightly amusing but it did beg a question about Porsche's dedication to weight loss!
The same incredulity can be applied to the 964, yet the market seems to tolerate it. It is easy to make a 964 RS replica because, in reality, it wasn't much different from the standard car. Yet, there is one for sale for £144k on here.
On that basis, this 968 CS would be a bargain, especially if you consider there were 1,923 968 Club Sports made and 2,282 964 RSs (going by a quick Google search). Just shows the importance of '911'.
On that basis, this 968 CS would be a bargain, especially if you consider there were 1,923 968 Club Sports made and 2,282 964 RSs (going by a quick Google search). Just shows the importance of '911'.
blade7 said:
If Porsche hadn't been in financial trouble they wouldn't have put a CS badge on a car that basically had different seats. The CS wasn't a limited edition, despite lowering the price it just didn't sell and was dropped.
Not really true. The 968 was far too expensive and the Club Sport was a way of trimming the price.Edited by blade7 on Tuesday 17th March 12:55
Despite what people now tell themselves it was a poverty-spec model intended to be sold for 25% less, with a few small tweaks. The proof of this, is that Porsche couldn't supply cars without sunroofs - when the supply of non-sunroof bodies dried-up, that was it: sunroof only.
It did sell, but not fantastically well here. This is why PCGB introduced the Sport, to address the perceived shortcomings that the original car had (wind up windows, no rear seat, impractical front seats).
jmcc500 said:
Further to my previous comment, at the same time as I had my CS I also had a Citroen BX Diesel Estate. The two cars were registered within a couple of months of one another, yet the lightweight, 2 (bucket) seat sports car was heavier than the comfy 5-seat family estate car with a boat-anchor diesel engine up front.
I found this slightly amusing but it did beg a question about Porsche's dedication to weight loss!
After checking the weights from the original 924 onwards, according to Wikipedia there was a big jump in weight when the 944 '1988' models were introduced, S2 etc. Perhaps extra strengthening for the cabriolet and other weightier bits for the more powerful versions? The 968 obviously stuck with those extra bits. The 924 initially started off at 1080kg, not bad for the time but nothing amazing. It's often said the 924 S is good starting point as a project car on this platform..I found this slightly amusing but it did beg a question about Porsche's dedication to weight loss!
Gompo said:
jmcc500 said:
Further to my previous comment, at the same time as I had my CS I also had a Citroen BX Diesel Estate. The two cars were registered within a couple of months of one another, yet the lightweight, 2 (bucket) seat sports car was heavier than the comfy 5-seat family estate car with a boat-anchor diesel engine up front.
I found this slightly amusing but it did beg a question about Porsche's dedication to weight loss!
After checking the weights from the original 924 onwards, according to Wikipedia there was a big jump in weight when the 944 '1988' models were introduced, S2 etc. Perhaps extra strengthening for the cabriolet and other weightier bits for the more powerful versions? The 968 obviously stuck with those extra bits. The 924 initially started off at 1080kg, not bad for the time but nothing amazing. It's often said the 924 S is good starting point as a project car on this platform..I found this slightly amusing but it did beg a question about Porsche's dedication to weight loss!
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