RE: Porsche 968 Club Sport: Spotted
Discussion
s m said:
According to an old road test I've got a 944S2 was 15kg more than this CS approx ( 1350 vs1335kg )
Interesting. I've seen all sorts of weights quoted for both (and all sorts of performance figures too.) The 968's had different bodyshells which were strengthened to meet crash protection regulations, and are generally thought of as heavier for that reason. Assuming the things like wheels and suspension are pretty much the same you are looking at drivetrain and interior weights. The 968 had a fancier cylinder head with variable valve timing, which may or may not be lighter or heavier, and a 6-speed gearbox which probably would be heavier. However the 968CS lost the seat back and some window winding motors, as well as a sunroof.
On that basis, I'd be surprised if there was much in it.
Oli.
Most had sunroofs Oli. Manual regulators don't weigh much less than electric ones either.
Also: online weight lists are interesting perhaps, but seldom accurate. There was no difference between the 1987 and 1988 944 beyond motors in the passenger seat which were an option on the '86 and '87 models. There is very little real information available, but it has been cribbed by a lot of sites and much of it was inaccurate in the first place.
An example would be my own Turbo, which I weighed with 1/4 of a tank, me and some luggage in and it came in at a good deal less than t'internet would have you believe.
Also: online weight lists are interesting perhaps, but seldom accurate. There was no difference between the 1987 and 1988 944 beyond motors in the passenger seat which were an option on the '86 and '87 models. There is very little real information available, but it has been cribbed by a lot of sites and much of it was inaccurate in the first place.
An example would be my own Turbo, which I weighed with 1/4 of a tank, me and some luggage in and it came in at a good deal less than t'internet would have you believe.
s m said:
Looks like a 944S2 with the sills replaced is a cheap alternative
Nah, 15 grand a side to get the sills done 
I just find the CS thing weird, it isn't like it had any more power or unique features, a CS that was specced with some of the stuff Porsche took out is worth more than a Sport where Porsche included the stuff back in as so many people ticked the boxes anyway, I read that the Sports started out as a CS and Porsche added the stuff in the UK.
"Club Sport" only sounds vaguely appealing when connected to a Porsche, otherwise it sounds like the slogan on an £3.99 Asda T shirt or a new variety of biscuit.
At the risk of repeating myself: it was a cheap car! It was intended as a cheaper entry-level model because the Lux cost £40-odd,000 and wasn't selling. Porsche was on its arse and came up with a shrewd way of making the car more attractive to cost-conscious buyers without undermining the main model.
The seats were cheaper. The trim was cheaper. It had fewer bits. It cost less to build. It required virtually no development and hardly any special parts were required (carpet rear seat and slender wiring loom cost pennies compared to thinner glass, hatch glass sans hole or even non-sunroof BIWs!).
The seats were cheaper. The trim was cheaper. It had fewer bits. It cost less to build. It required virtually no development and hardly any special parts were required (carpet rear seat and slender wiring loom cost pennies compared to thinner glass, hatch glass sans hole or even non-sunroof BIWs!).
J4CKO said:
s m said:
Looks like a 944S2 with the sills replaced is a cheap alternative
Nah, 15 grand a side to get the sills done I just find the CS thing weird, it isn't like it had any more power or unique features, a CS that was specced with some of the stuff Porsche took out is worth more than a Sport where Porsche included the stuff back in as so many people ticked the boxes anyway, I read that the Sports started out as a CS and Porsche added the stuff in the UK.
"Club Sport" only sounds vaguely appealing when connected to a Porsche, otherwise it sounds like the slogan on an £3.99 Asda T shirt or a new variety of biscuit.
I'm sure the extra bit of power is welcome in the CS - it just seems some nice new suspension on the S2 and take the space-saver out the boot and you've achieved the same weight.
The performance figures recorded in Autocar look almost identical
s m said:
J4CKO said:
s m said:
Looks like a 944S2 with the sills replaced is a cheap alternative
Nah, 15 grand a side to get the sills done I just find the CS thing weird, it isn't like it had any more power or unique features, a CS that was specced with some of the stuff Porsche took out is worth more than a Sport where Porsche included the stuff back in as so many people ticked the boxes anyway, I read that the Sports started out as a CS and Porsche added the stuff in the UK.
"Club Sport" only sounds vaguely appealing when connected to a Porsche, otherwise it sounds like the slogan on an £3.99 Asda T shirt or a new variety of biscuit.
I'm sure the extra bit of power is welcome in the CS - it just seems some nice new suspension on the S2 and take the space-saver out the boot and you've achieved the same weight.
The performance figures recorded in Autocar look almost identical
Or do you mean in any 968 over a 944 S2 ?
On paper it had another 32 bhp, so a worthwhile, if not immense increase, 0-100 mph was 14.7 vs 16.1, I think you would notice the difference but not night and day, I always felt my 944 felt faster than I expected it to be and that was a lardier cabrio, I had a go with some kind of Evo and it didnt just dissapear, well not as fast as I expected, my 350Z is quicker but not by much, anyway if you want a fast 4 cyl front engined Porsche, you go for a 944 Turbo, faster out of the box than even the CS and very tunable, imagine the 944 turbo you could have with 30 grand, or even half that.
J4CKO said:
s m said:
J4CKO said:
s m said:
Looks like a 944S2 with the sills replaced is a cheap alternative
Nah, 15 grand a side to get the sills done I just find the CS thing weird, it isn't like it had any more power or unique features, a CS that was specced with some of the stuff Porsche took out is worth more than a Sport where Porsche included the stuff back in as so many people ticked the boxes anyway, I read that the Sports started out as a CS and Porsche added the stuff in the UK.
"Club Sport" only sounds vaguely appealing when connected to a Porsche, otherwise it sounds like the slogan on an £3.99 Asda T shirt or a new variety of biscuit.
I'm sure the extra bit of power is welcome in the CS - it just seems some nice new suspension on the S2 and take the space-saver out the boot and you've achieved the same weight.
The performance figures recorded in Autocar look almost identical
Or do you mean in any 968 over a 944 S2 ?
On paper it had another 32 bhp, so a worthwhile, if not immense increase, 0-100 mph was 14.7 vs 16.1, I think you would notice the difference but not night and day, I always felt my 944 felt faster than I expected it to be and that was a lardier cabrio, I had a go with some kind of Evo and it didnt just dissapear, well not as fast as I expected, my 350Z is quicker but not by much, anyway if you want a fast 4 cyl front engined Porsche, you go for a 944 Turbo, faster out of the box than even the CS and very tunable, imagine the 944 turbo you could have with 30 grand, or even half that.
I was just looking at the timed figures that Autocar got - they looked pretty much the same in their tests to 60 and 100 ...and the mid-range acceleration
The 944 T is definitely quick though
I once did a Porsche sponsored trackday - took a 968 Sport out and enjoyed it enormously so getting into the CS was exciting and I was halfway out of the Silverstone pits when I realised I couldn't actually drive the f
king thing properly...
Fixed-back seat = a LOT less room for your knees - nowhere for clutchfoot to rest - hands stuck between 10-to and 10-past, shuffling wheel like a learner cos knees in the way - one hesitating lap only - hmmmmmm
Not for the taller driver then ;0
944 remains a FAR better looking car - you still see them around wheras I know of ONE 968 still in use (and it's been molested quite a lot including handmade bonnet vents for something something!!)
king thing properly...Fixed-back seat = a LOT less room for your knees - nowhere for clutchfoot to rest - hands stuck between 10-to and 10-past, shuffling wheel like a learner cos knees in the way - one hesitating lap only - hmmmmmm
Not for the taller driver then ;0
944 remains a FAR better looking car - you still see them around wheras I know of ONE 968 still in use (and it's been molested quite a lot including handmade bonnet vents for something something!!)
1750jb said:
Slightly off topic, but I find the 1987/88 944S quite intriguing. It seems to be a smaller capacity twin cam 16v with 190 bhp - maybe more fun that a 3.0 944s2?? Don't know, but it sounds like it could be sweet... Anyone driven one?
Never driven one, but they are widely unloved in the 944 world - and apparently unfairly so. They were all top-end, so needed to be stirred hard to get any performance out of them. When off the boil they were no quicker than a 8v 2.5L lux, which cost a lot less and was much cheaper to run. The 3.0L S2 was much more torquey lower down in the rev range and had more grunt up top. I suspect that if you plan to drive at 10/10ths all the time, the 2.5L S could be a good buy.
Oli.
Just a bit of info on the 968 Sport - the standard 968s weren't selling particularly well so Porsche introduced the stripped out CS at a much more attractive price.
I was interested , having owned quite a few Porsches and was needing to replace a 944S2 but because of the mileage that I did , couldn't live with the lack of comfort in the CS so I asked Porsche to build me a CS but with electric windows,normal seats etc and they agreed to do this.
Then, they decided to build it as a regular model, called the Sport. When mine arrived it came with CS badges on but I asked my dealer to register it as a Sport ( can you believe it now!) which they did.
So if anybody has a white 968 Sport with reg beginning L968, it is actually a CS but with added comfort
By the way, the ironic thing is that it took me forever to sell it because nobody wanted a white car…...
I was interested , having owned quite a few Porsches and was needing to replace a 944S2 but because of the mileage that I did , couldn't live with the lack of comfort in the CS so I asked Porsche to build me a CS but with electric windows,normal seats etc and they agreed to do this.
Then, they decided to build it as a regular model, called the Sport. When mine arrived it came with CS badges on but I asked my dealer to register it as a Sport ( can you believe it now!) which they did.
So if anybody has a white 968 Sport with reg beginning L968, it is actually a CS but with added comfort
By the way, the ironic thing is that it took me forever to sell it because nobody wanted a white car…...
J4CKO said:
if you want a fast 4 cyl front engined Porsche, you go for a 944 Turbo, faster out of the box than even the CS and very tunable,
Just like the Cosworth there aren't many 944T's that haven't been interfered with to some degree. Spend around £300 on a 250 turbo and it would be all over a 968 CS, spend £3k and it would slaughter it.Prices in the UK might be hard to fathom - but try this !!!
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche...
or this
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche...
The far lower volumes of European cars here in Oz keep prices stratospheric.............
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche...
or this
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche...
The far lower volumes of European cars here in Oz keep prices stratospheric.............
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