Cyclist v driver litter road rage
Discussion
Blakewater said:
People get very self righteous about how businesses are to blame for their packaging ending up as litter on the ground, the argument mainly being that they shouldn't provide so much packaging, but how can they really take responsibility for it?
Do you mean provide less packaging - which is fairly straightforward but not deemed as attractive to sell to customers, so won't happen - or do you mean take responsibility for their litter? Blakewater said:
Why should some poor sap getting paid peanuts be made to go out picking up litter other people have dropped?
Part of their job?Blakewater said:
Why do people always expect "Big Business" or "The Government" to clear up after them and pander to them and allow them to do whatever they want because their actions aren't really their fault?
No idea they did. Can you provide an example of this beyond the trauma you suffered picking up used condoms? Do you know why you were told to pick them up?Companies are just as responsible as individuals for litter.
9mm said:
Choose your battles carefully and I don't mean like our poster who lobbed rubbish through a woman's car window.
Thanks for the dig, but I don't discriminate. I wasn't aware it was a women until I threw the stuff back in, and frankly I don't care.
Am I more likely to get a beating because I don't cower in my car thinking "it's not my job"?
Probably, yes.
I'll take it further, if he wants to beat up anybody who points out his mistake, it's wimps like you that allow it to happen. Just keep your head down on the internet as much as you do in real life and don't go spreading your invertebra's ways, you might infect my kids.
popeyewhite said:
Companies are just as responsible as individuals for litter.
Absolute rubbish. The only entity responsible is the person who deliberately drops the litter. Millions of people manage to buy goods from shops and not dump it's packaging on the street thus proving it is not the fault of the company.
When someone buys a MacDonalds eats it in public (itself a chav act) and then doesn't put the packaging/rubbish in a bun or take it home to dispose of them it is 100% the failing of the scrote litterer.
If you deliberately litter then you are either a scrotey little
or you had a failed upbringing and are too stupid to have since learnt that littering is anti social and unpleasant. Absolving these people from their actions by trying to make out that big business forces them to do it is mental and why do many silly little issues go undealt with in society. Your actions. Your responsibility.
ZesPak said:
9mm said:
Choose your battles carefully and I don't mean like our poster who lobbed rubbish through a woman's car window.
Thanks for the dig, but I don't discriminate. I wasn't aware it was a women until I threw the stuff back in, and frankly I don't care.
Am I more likely to get a beating because I don't cower in my car thinking "it's not my job"?
Probably, yes.
I'll take it further, if he wants to beat up anybody who points out his mistake, it's wimps like you that allow it to happen. Just keep your head down on the internet as much as you do in real life and don't go spreading your invertebra's ways, you might infect my kids.
DonkeyApple said:
popeyewhite said:
Companies are just as responsible as individuals for litter.
Absolute rubbish. The only entity responsible is the person who deliberately drops the litter. Millions of people manage to buy goods from shops and not dump it's packaging on the street thus proving it is not the fault of the company.
When someone buys a MacDonalds eats it in public (itself a chav act) and then doesn't put the packaging/rubbish in a bun or take it home to dispose of them it is 100% the failing of the scrote litterer.
If you deliberately litter then you are either a scrotey little
or you had a failed upbringing and are too stupid to have since learnt that littering is anti social and unpleasant. Absolving these people from their actions by trying to make out that big business forces them to do it is mental and why do many silly little issues go undealt with in society. Your actions. Your responsibility.
DonkeyApple said:
popeyewhite said:
Companies are just as responsible as individuals for litter.
Absolute rubbish. The only entity responsible is the person who deliberately drops the litter. Millions of people manage to buy goods from shops and not dump it's packaging on the street thus proving it is not the fault of the company.
When someone buys a MacDonalds eats it in public (itself a chav act) and then doesn't put the packaging/rubbish in a bun or take it home to dispose of them it is 100% the failing of the scrote litterer.
If you deliberately litter then you are either a scrotey little
or you had a failed upbringing and are too stupid to have since learnt that littering is anti social and unpleasant. Absolving these people from their actions by trying to make out that big business forces them to do it is mental and why do many silly little issues go undealt with in society. Your actions. Your responsibility.
If, as you say, scrotey little
s deliberately litter then part of the solution will be to minimise the amount of litter the scrotes get in the first place. This responsibility lies in the hands of businesses who often are only motivated to package their goods to make them as attractive as possible to the customer. In other words it's about greed. Businesses care even less than the scrotes if their plastic bags adorn trees in your local park and fortunately something is being done about this. If government and far more forward thinking people than yourself think it's a good idea to make businesses take some responsibility, then why don't you? Because you have a PH identity to conform to I suspect.popeyewhite said:
DonkeyApple said:
popeyewhite said:
Companies are just as responsible as individuals for litter.
Absolute rubbish. The only entity responsible is the person who deliberately drops the litter. Millions of people manage to buy goods from shops and not dump it's packaging on the street thus proving it is not the fault of the company.
When someone buys a MacDonalds eats it in public (itself a chav act) and then doesn't put the packaging/rubbish in a bun or take it home to dispose of them it is 100% the failing of the scrote litterer.
If you deliberately litter then you are either a scrotey little
or you had a failed upbringing and are too stupid to have since learnt that littering is anti social and unpleasant. Absolving these people from their actions by trying to make out that big business forces them to do it is mental and why do many silly little issues go undealt with in society. Your actions. Your responsibility.
If, as you say, scrotey little
s deliberately litter then part of the solution will be to minimise the amount of litter the scrotes get in the first place. This responsibility lies in the hands of businesses who often are only motivated to package their goods to make them as attractive as possible to the customer. In other words it's about greed. Businesses care even less than the scrotes if their plastic bags adorn trees in your local park and fortunately something is being done about this. If government and far more forward thinking people than yourself think it's a good idea to make businesses take some responsibility, then why don't you? Because you have a PH identity to conform to I suspect.How exactly do you reduce the packaging around those items?
9mm said:
Course you weren't aware. Just a lucky coincidence eh? I love guys who go after women.
Lol, I'm a powerfully built company director, so I don't have that many people coming at me.I'm just baffled about the amount of you guys that find the fact that the scrote gets in the cyclists' face a "to be expected" reaction. Sums up nicely all that is wrong today I guess, from the aggressive scrote getting away with everything, the guy who thinks he can make a difference (for better or for worse) getting the stick to the other 95% that'll happily stand by and watch as the latter gets a beating from the former.
ZesPak said:
9mm said:
Course you weren't aware. Just a lucky coincidence eh? I love guys who go after women.
Lol, I'm a powerfully built company director, so I don't have that many people coming at me.I'm just baffled about the amount of you guys that find the fact that the scrote gets in the cyclists' face a "to be expected" reaction. Sums up nicely all that is wrong today I guess, from the aggressive scrote getting away with everything, the guy who thinks he can make a difference (for better or for worse) getting the stick to the other 95% that'll happily stand by and watch as the latter gets a beating from the former.
Honestly, what reaction would you expect to get?
It's like giving someone the coffee beans. How they react might not be what you'd like but it's pretty easy to predict it won't be positive.
popeyewhite said:
Put aside your PH persona for a couple of minutes and think a bit. Try to think forward. Rise above your prejudices and exercise your brain.
If, as you say, scrotey littles deliberately litter then part of the solution will be to minimise the amount of litter the scrotes get in the first place. This responsibility lies in the hands of businesses who often are only motivated to package their goods to make them as attractive as possible to the customer. In other words it's about greed. Businesses care even less than the scrotes if their plastic bags adorn trees in your local park and fortunately something is being done about this. If government and far more forward thinking people than yourself think it's a good idea to make businesses take some responsibility, then why don't you? Because you have a PH identity to conform to I suspect.
So what? Why do the majority of people manage to not litter? Because they are not oiks. If, as you say, scrotey little
s deliberately litter then part of the solution will be to minimise the amount of litter the scrotes get in the first place. This responsibility lies in the hands of businesses who often are only motivated to package their goods to make them as attractive as possible to the customer. In other words it's about greed. Businesses care even less than the scrotes if their plastic bags adorn trees in your local park and fortunately something is being done about this. If government and far more forward thinking people than yourself think it's a good idea to make businesses take some responsibility, then why don't you? Because you have a PH identity to conform to I suspect.It is not about packaging or business it is about people being anti social.
Absolving the person who is 100% to blame for the act of littering is simply mental.
The fact that you seem to think that the fault for this chap tipping a Pepsi cup out of his car lies with either Pepsi or who her firm sold the cup/drink is sheer lunacy.
The adult in question made the clear decision to be anti social and litter while the majority of people make the choice to dispose of their litter appropriately.
Banging on about how big business is to blame is frankly some kind of loony Freeman of the Land type argument.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 25th March 11:50
I suspect there are a lot of motor bike and cyclist, helmet camera wearing riders who are actively looking for stuff to get angry about: because they are backed up with their camera.
not that poor driving etc isn't an issue, but going after people is a risky business
as a cyclist, IF that paper cup had been directly thrown at me AND even more, if it had been full: I would have weighed up ness of car and implications of me having a ruck with said driver and my chances.
if it was just littering, well at that point, let the chav get on with it. How has it really impacted on me ?
some of these london based cycling videos, of actively angry camera wearing cyclists are cringeworthy- you can't cycle agressively against cars: you're going to come off worse. all you can do is make sure yr very visible and not be a fool- i.e cycling 6' out in the road for instance.
not that poor driving etc isn't an issue, but going after people is a risky business
as a cyclist, IF that paper cup had been directly thrown at me AND even more, if it had been full: I would have weighed up
ness of car and implications of me having a ruck with said driver and my chances.if it was just littering, well at that point, let the chav get on with it. How has it really impacted on me ?
some of these london based cycling videos, of actively angry camera wearing cyclists are cringeworthy- you can't cycle agressively against cars: you're going to come off worse. all you can do is make sure yr very visible and not be a fool- i.e cycling 6' out in the road for instance.
austinsmirk said:
I suspect there are a lot of motor bike and cyclist, helmet camera wearing riders who are actively looking for stuff to get angry about: because they are backed up with their camera.
not that poor driving etc isn't an issue, but going after people is a risky business
as a cyclist, IF that paper cup had been directly thrown at me AND even more, if it had been full: I would have weighed up ness of car and implications of me having a ruck with said driver and my chances.
if it was just littering, well at that point, let the chav get on with it. How has it really impacted on me ?
some of these london based cycling videos, of actively angry camera wearing cyclists are cringeworthy- you can't cycle agressively against cars: you're going to come off worse. all you can do is make sure yr very visible and not be a fool- i.e cycling 6' out in the road for instance.
I agree. Fine, send your video to the local authority and let them decide but little upside in chucking the litter back into the car unless you are 100% prepared to stand your ground. At the end of the day you know your actions could well trigger a violent event. not that poor driving etc isn't an issue, but going after people is a risky business
as a cyclist, IF that paper cup had been directly thrown at me AND even more, if it had been full: I would have weighed up
ness of car and implications of me having a ruck with said driver and my chances.if it was just littering, well at that point, let the chav get on with it. How has it really impacted on me ?
some of these london based cycling videos, of actively angry camera wearing cyclists are cringeworthy- you can't cycle agressively against cars: you're going to come off worse. all you can do is make sure yr very visible and not be a fool- i.e cycling 6' out in the road for instance.
As you say, some of these cyclists seem to be almost courting road rage as some form of discount therapy for deeper personal issues.
And at best some of it is akin to the wiener in the bar who gets all brave because he has some mates with him.
But as always, the idiots are the minority but they do risk defining a group and tarnishing the normal majority.
hora said:
jmorgan said:
popeyewhite said:
Also parents aren't the only source of a young persons morals or behaviour, you're completely wrong.
They should be a major influence.(IMO) by the time a child gets to school the school can be on the backfoot trying to manage years of bad engrained behaviour thats continually re-enforced every night and every weekend still...
DonkeyApple said:
Banging on about how big business is to blame is frankly some kind of loony Freeman of the Land type argument.
Your hysteria has prevented you from reading my post properly. I suggested business were partly responsible for minimising the litter scrotes get in the first place. The leap you make from there to 'banging on about loony Freeman' is I suppose, done for attention, like some of your previous poor posts (cp moral turpitude).Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 25th March 11:50
When you've calmed down a bit you might like to consider why the government will soon be requiring cigarette firms to pay for picking up discarded butts and packets, which are the biggest source of litter in Britain. Next will be Maccy D's etc.
But of course the individual will still have to take responsibility for their own litter: So will the big businesses that provide so much packaging.
This of course is entirely wrong, we should be whining about scrotes without looking at the bigger picture... Oh..you are!
popeyewhite said:
Your hysteria has prevented you from reading my post properly. I suggested business were partly responsible for minimising the litter scrotes get in the first place. The leap you make from there to 'banging on about loony Freeman' is I suppose, done for attention, like some of your previous poor posts (cp moral turpitude).
When you've calmed down a bit you might like to consider why the government will soon be requiring cigarette firms to pay for picking up discarded butts and packets, which are the biggest source of litter in Britain. Next will be Maccy D's etc.
But of course the individual will still have to take responsibility for their own litter: So will the big businesses that provide so much packaging.
This of course is entirely wrong, we should be whining about scrotes without looking at the bigger picture... Oh..you are!
Reduction of packaging provided to lowlifes will reduce the amount of potential litter available for them to discard, this will clearly help. But the blame for littering lies 100% with the person littering.When you've calmed down a bit you might like to consider why the government will soon be requiring cigarette firms to pay for picking up discarded butts and packets, which are the biggest source of litter in Britain. Next will be Maccy D's etc.
But of course the individual will still have to take responsibility for their own litter: So will the big businesses that provide so much packaging.
This of course is entirely wrong, we should be whining about scrotes without looking at the bigger picture... Oh..you are!
mikeveal said:
Reduction of packaging provided to lowlifes will reduce the amount of potential litter available for them to discard, this will clearly help. But the blame for littering lies 100% with the person littering.
No. The person littering is the primary source, but businesses have a role as well. If more people did what the cyclist did, there would be less litter.
The cyclist was bang on, in my opinion.
I applaud people like the cyclist in the vid, Zespak & Hora on here, who are prepared to put their money where their mouths are.
Would I do it? Yes, and I have done it in the past, albeit, by handing the litter back to the person and saying "here, you dropped this"
The cyclist was bang on, in my opinion.
I applaud people like the cyclist in the vid, Zespak & Hora on here, who are prepared to put their money where their mouths are.
Would I do it? Yes, and I have done it in the past, albeit, by handing the litter back to the person and saying "here, you dropped this"
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