Cyclist v driver litter road rage
Discussion
popeyewhite said:
DonkeyApple said:
Banging on about how big business is to blame is frankly some kind of loony Freeman of the Land type argument.
Your hysteria has prevented you from reading my post properly. I suggested business were partly responsible for minimising the litter scrotes get in the first place. The leap you make from there to 'banging on about loony Freeman' is I suppose, done for attention, like some of your previous poor posts (cp moral turpitude).Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 25th March 11:50
When you've calmed down a bit you might like to consider why the government will soon be requiring cigarette firms to pay for picking up discarded butts and packets, which are the biggest source of litter in Britain. Next will be Maccy D's etc.
But of course the individual will still have to take responsibility for their own litter: So will the big businesses that provide so much packaging.
This of course is entirely wrong, we should be whining about scrotes without looking at the bigger picture... Oh..you are!
At least you've finally seen sense and changed your tune.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 25th March 15:15
popeyewhite said:
mikeveal said:
Reduction of packaging provided to lowlifes will reduce the amount of potential litter available for them to discard, this will clearly help. But the blame for littering lies 100% with the person littering.
No. The person littering is the primary source, but businesses have a role as well. You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you disagree with that basic statement, you're just plain wrong.
mikeveal said:
The person (potentially) dropping litter has a binary decision to make. Drop or bin. Responsibility for this decision rests wholly with that person.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you disagree with that basic statement, you're just plain wrong.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you disagree with that basic statement, you're just plain wrong.
The amount is determined by the business, but the choice and sole cause of littering is the person.
ZesPak said:
mikeveal said:
The person (potentially) dropping litter has a binary decision to make. Drop or bin. Responsibility for this decision rests wholly with that person.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you disagree with that basic statement, you're just plain wrong.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you disagree with that basic statement, you're just plain wrong.
The amount is determined by the business, but the choice and sole cause of littering is the person.
Hol said:
The above two posts summarise it perfectly for me.
Indeed but remember that consumer demands and behaviour is often the drive behind any commercial decision about packaging.For example, in the US it is commonplace to have re-usable "big gulp" style cups. These are kept by customers to re-use at home and hence rarely thrown out of the car.
The drive to more eco-friendly packaging such as paper boxes rather than those polystyrene containers was also somewhat consumer led as the QSR industry could market based on their better environmental credentials (hence fairly unattractive brown bags too, not bleached white any more).
As earlier in the thread - there is a limit that the consumer will happily accept.
You can't just throw a bun at them through the drive-thru window.
You can't just pour a drink down their throat.
IMHO the large chains have done an OK job of a. making MOST packaging recyclable and biodegradable and b.reducing excess packaging.
To those saying the businesses aren't doing enough to reduce packaging - what would you have them change?
Genuine question.
heebeegeetee said:
So, these big men who don't give a f
k for anyone, throw litter and want to fight everyone, how come they almost always drive such st cars?
Well, I would imagine if you are cruising about in a Maybach, you probably don't have a huge amount to be angry about. Also, Jeeves deals with the litter.k for anyone, throw litter and want to fight everyone, how come they almost always drive such st cars?Irrespective of who was worse than who in this particulat incident, I have to agree with many that littering is becoming a much greater issue than it used to be.
Look at the state of Glen Etive:
https://www.facebook.com/Glenetivethedirtytruth
Folk are going up there, camping for a weekend and then abandoning literally everything for someone else to clear up. A large proportion of the polulation don't give a st about our surroundings and expect someone else to clear up after them.
Perhaps if every cup thrown out of every car was quickly thrown back in, they may end up actually using a bin.
Look at the state of Glen Etive:
https://www.facebook.com/Glenetivethedirtytruth
Folk are going up there, camping for a weekend and then abandoning literally everything for someone else to clear up. A large proportion of the polulation don't give a s
t about our surroundings and expect someone else to clear up after them.Perhaps if every cup thrown out of every car was quickly thrown back in, they may end up actually using a bin.
feef said:
Irrespective of who was worse than who in this particulat incident, I have to agree with many that littering is becoming a much greater issue than it used to be.
Look at the state of Glen Etive:
https://www.facebook.com/Glenetivethedirtytruth
Folk are going up there, camping for a weekend and then abandoning literally everything for someone else to clear up. A large proportion of the polulation don't give a st about our surroundings and expect someone else to clear up after them.
As someone who spends time up the hills and the wilderness, this really, REALLY boils my piss.Look at the state of Glen Etive:
https://www.facebook.com/Glenetivethedirtytruth
Folk are going up there, camping for a weekend and then abandoning literally everything for someone else to clear up. A large proportion of the polulation don't give a s
t about our surroundings and expect someone else to clear up after them.In the same way as there are "poacher hunters" in Africa, I'd happily advocate the same concept for litterers - particularly so in the wilderness.
A few of her and her pals would be good
feef said:
Irrespective of who was worse than who in this particulat incident, I have to agree with many that littering is becoming a much greater issue than it used to be.
Look at the state of Glen Etive:
https://www.facebook.com/Glenetivethedirtytruth
Folk are going up there, camping for a weekend and then abandoning literally everything for someone else to clear up. A large proportion of the polulation don't give a st about our surroundings and expect someone else to clear up after them.
Perhaps if every cup thrown out of every car was quickly thrown back in, they may end up actually using a bin.
I saw examples around Manchester Airports rural surroundings, some areas where bushes had been stuffed with litter, disgusting, one chap, and full credit it to him went down with bin bags and cleaned the lot up.Look at the state of Glen Etive:
https://www.facebook.com/Glenetivethedirtytruth
Folk are going up there, camping for a weekend and then abandoning literally everything for someone else to clear up. A large proportion of the polulation don't give a s
t about our surroundings and expect someone else to clear up after them.Perhaps if every cup thrown out of every car was quickly thrown back in, they may end up actually using a bin.
I really dont know why some find it so hard to take their rubbish and bin it, I dont think it is actually that many people as if it were we would be wading though it all over the place.
Basically, if you drop litter, you are scum, and this twunt in the Corsa proved by his actions and reaction that he is.
Can we have a cull, but obviously dispose of the carcasses neatly ?
walm said:
Hol said:
The above two posts summarise it perfectly for me.
Indeed but remember that consumer demands and behaviour is often the drive behind any commercial decision about packaging.For example, in the US it is commonplace to have re-usable "big gulp" style cups. These are kept by customers to re-use at home and hence rarely thrown out of the car.
The drive to more eco-friendly packaging such as paper boxes rather than those polystyrene containers was also somewhat consumer led as the QSR industry could market based on their better environmental credentials (hence fairly unattractive brown bags too, not bleached white any more).
As earlier in the thread - there is a limit that the consumer will happily accept.
You can't just throw a bun at them through the drive-thru window.
You can't just pour a drink down their throat.
IMHO the large chains have done an OK job of a. making MOST packaging recyclable and biodegradable and b.reducing excess packaging.
To those saying the businesses aren't doing enough to reduce packaging - what would you have them change?
Genuine question.
The litter we see in the streets is primarily comprised of fag packets, sweet wrappers, drinks cartons and cans. The packaging cannot be reduced.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with carrier bags or the packaging around larger items which is a completely different topic.
TheJimi said:
As someone who spends time up the hills and the wilderness, this really, REALLY boils my piss.
In the same way as there are "poacher hunters" in Africa, I'd happily advocate the same concept for litterers - particularly so in the wilderness.
A few of her and her pals would be good
Would it be possible to recruit someone who doesn't have their body littered by all those stupid tattoos?In the same way as there are "poacher hunters" in Africa, I'd happily advocate the same concept for litterers - particularly so in the wilderness.
A few of her and her pals would be good
The Mad Monk said:
TheJimi said:
As someone who spends time up the hills and the wilderness, this really, REALLY boils my piss.
In the same way as there are "poacher hunters" in Africa, I'd happily advocate the same concept for litterers - particularly so in the wilderness.
A few of her and her pals would be good
Would it be possible to recruit someone who doesn't have their body littered by all those stupid tattoos?In the same way as there are "poacher hunters" in Africa, I'd happily advocate the same concept for litterers - particularly so in the wilderness.
A few of her and her pals would be good
I've picked up other peoples litter and handed it back to them many times, and thrown it back through their car windows a few times. Almost every time they've shamefacedly accepted it with a muttered "sorry".
To react violently when being called out on his own littering the Corsa driver really does show himself to be an utter scumbag.
To react violently when being called out on his own littering the Corsa driver really does show himself to be an utter scumbag.
The cyclist is s
tting himself!Both idiots. What was he thinking throwing the cup back inside his car? Obviously someone who actually throws rubbish out of a car window and thinks it's okay will also think many other t
tty things (like smacking people around the head) are also okay.TheJimi said:
Would I do it? Yes, and I have done it in the past, albeit, by handing the litter back to the person and saying "here, you dropped this"
That's the big difference. Totally different outcome if he'd handed it back.Edited by RenOHH on Thursday 26th March 18:59
9mm said:
I've already asked it. You won't get the answer because there isn't one.
The litter we see in the streets is primarily comprised of fag packets, sweet wrappers, drinks cartons and cans. The packaging cannot be reduced.
Seriously? The litter we see in the streets is primarily comprised of fag packets, sweet wrappers, drinks cartons and cans. The packaging cannot be reduced.
Do you really need a bag to go with your Maccy D's drive thru burger? Of course you don't. Do fag packets have to have that foil lining? Of course not. That coke can - can it be made of biodegradable material? Of course it can. But then the Coca-cola Inc. might think their global brand image was affected and naturally refuse to adapt. I imagine in 200,000 years when the human race is capable of space travel there will be planets already covered with coke cans and takeaway rubbish because some small minded troglodytes think 'The packaging cannot be reduced'. Probably a number of these troglodytes are busy whining about things instead of doing anything about them, but there you go. What's a forum for if not whining?
Of course some scum will have to have dropped it there... .
On the subject on making businesses pay to pick up rubbish dropped by customers some of you reductionists might like to familiarise yourselves with the 'Street Litter Control Notice' a handy tool that councils use when they've finally had enough of business not taking responsibility for the packaging that goes with their products. But of course, some on here are far wiser than local law makers and absolutely know businesses can't be held responsible at all, lol.
There is some merit to wrapping issue, supermarkets are a big offender. A paper bag for several items is not an issue. Mind you, in Wales, you have to pay for that bag and it is going to happen in the England shortly I think.
But it boils back down to rubbish and a bin. Now what do I do with it, it ain't rocket science and if someone thinks they are getting some kudos from their compadres for chucking it out the window, well, that must be OK then.
But it boils back down to rubbish and a bin. Now what do I do with it, it ain't rocket science and if someone thinks they are getting some kudos from their compadres for chucking it out the window, well, that must be OK then.
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