Cheapest Supercar

[crazy about cars]

Skylinecrazy said:

hey equal fast hatchbacks.

Supercars are about noise and head turning looks.

Well agree to a degree as Golf R only has 4 cylinders.

You should hear the roar of the straight 6 turbo of the ///M135 Junior Supercar though.

[The Moose]

Even Porsche models such as the GT3 RS etc?

[StottyEvo]

austinsmirk said:

It's about the looks and presence. And to joe public it looks amazing, unique and expensive.

So let's be honest it's going to be any Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, gt40, mcclaren.

I actually doubt Porsche would be there except maybe the 959 or their recent hyper car. 911's et al are everywhere and commonplace.

Not saying they aren't super, but they don't have presence I'm afraid.

I'd agree with all of this. Its seemingly impossible to layout a list of requirements that have to be met to define a supercar as its largely subjective. A key point being Joe Publics reaction to the car is key.

[MrBarry123]

Skylinecrazy said:

hey equal fast hatchbacks.

Supercars are about noise and head turning looks.

I hope you're joking.

Give either a remap and they'll leave many classic supercars in their dust.

And people will take lots of pictures if they're parked in front of a Murcielago.

And they're practical.

And they have ISOFIX.

[MattHall91]

Swordman said:

Supercar:
- Mid engined
- V12 and up (or a turbo V8 or some kind of hybrid thing)
- E.g. Lambo Miura, Ferrari F40, Enzo, LaFerrari, McLaren F1, P1, Porsche 959 etc.

CGT and LFA are V10s but DEFINITELY supercars.

[SlipStream77]

A MkIV Supra TT can be bought for about £7k.

It's a pretty fast car even today and it still looks great.

[crazy about cars]

MrBarry123 said:

I hope you're joking.

Give either a remap and they'll leave many classic supercars in their dust.

And people will take lots of pictures if they're parked in front of a Murcielago.

And they're practical.

And they have ISOFIX.

Damn straight, and boot space that leaves all so called supercars to shame!

[Cerberaherts]

Bland shopping trolley that nobody would give a second glance to does not equal supercar, no matter how many m badges are fitted to it...

[austinsmirk]

It's about public perception. Not ph perception.

Yes I'm sure a bmw 135 is faster than a 70's lambo. But it has no style, pow, impact of the latter.

To the public it's a little girls shopping car. Doesn't matter that you can quote torque and all that other pub drivel

0-60 times don't count I'm afraid it's the roar of the motor, how awkward it is to drive, how out of place it looks amongst other cars.


We've also missed 70's alfas like the Montreal too in the list.

[GroundEffect]

To me, a supercar is:

- Non series production (low volume somewhat hand built)
- Has a sense of fragility (an Audi R8 is a piece of heavy German engineering)
- Exotic construction
- Proper performance for its era
- Practicalities not anywhere near the top of the priority list.
- Not designed with long distance in mind

As a result:

- 458 is a supercar
- Nissan GTR is not

- F12 is supercar
- FF is not a supercar

[crazy about cars]

So many bitter people

[TheHound]

GroundEffect said:

To me, a supercar is:

- Non series production


- 458 is a supercar

Hmmmmm...

[Skylinecrazy]

crazy about cars said:

Skylinecrazy said:

hey equal fast hatchbacks.

Supercars are about noise and head turning looks.

Well agree to a degree as Golf R only has 4 cylinders.

You should hear the roar of the straight 6 turbo of the ///M135 Junior Supercar though.

Been in and heard many a M135i thanks.

It's still a million years from a supercar. A nice car yes, but a Supercar no.

[emicen]

LivewareProblem said:

There is no way the M135i is more "supercar" than a DBS

Revised formula would agree with you...

[ Cylinders x Capacity x Exhausts ] / [ Driven Wheels x Doors x Wipers ]

Car	Cylinders	Capacity	Exhausts	WWD	Doors	Wipers	Supercarness
Diablo	12	6	4	2	2	1	72
Lexus LFA	10	4.8	3	2	2	1	36
Carerra GT	10	5.7	2	2	2	1	28.5
Gallardo	10	5	4	4	2	2	12.5
DBS	12	6	2	2	3	2	12
M6	8	4.4	4	2	3	2	11.7
996 GT2	6	3.6	4	2	2	2	10.8
M135i	6	3	4	2	2	2	9
M5	8	4.4	4	2	4	2	8.8
996 TT	6	3.6	4	4	2	2	5.4
GTR [R35]	6	3.8	4	4	3	2	3.8
M135i	6	3	2	2	3	3	2
Golf R	4	2	4	4	3	3	0.9
MINI Cooper S JCW [R56]	4	1.6	2	2	3	3	0.7
Golf R 5dr	4	2	4	4	5	3	0.5
Motorway Rep Express	4	2	1	2	5	3	0.3
Motorway Junior Rep	4	1.6	1	2	5	3	0.2

[McSam]

That's better, but I still think you want seats, not doors, and I propose the addition of an engine location multiplier - 1.2 for rear-engined, 1.5 for mid

[MrBarry123]

emicen said:

LivewareProblem said:

There is no way the M135i is more "supercar" than a DBS

Revised formula would agree with you...

[ Cylinders x Capacity x Exhausts ] / [ Driven Wheels x Doors x Wipers ]

Car	Cylinders	Capacity	Exhausts	WWD	Doors	Wipers	Supercarness
Diablo	12	6	4	2	2	1	72
Lexus LFA	10	4.8	3	2	2	1	36
Carerra GT	10	5.7	2	2	2	1	28.5
Gallardo	10	5	4	4	2	2	12.5
DBS	12	6	2	2	3	2	12
M6	8	4.4	4	2	3	2	11.7
996 GT2	6	3.6	4	2	2	2	10.8
M135i	6	3	4	2	2	2	9
M5	8	4.4	4	2	4	2	8.8
996 TT	6	3.6	4	4	2	2	5.4
GTR [R35]	6	3.8	4	4	3	2	3.8
M135i	6	3	2	2	3	3	2
Golf R	4	2	4	4	3	3	0.9
MINI Cooper S JCW [R56]	4	1.6	2	2	3	3	0.7
Golf R 5dr	4	2	4	4	5	3	0.5
Motorway Rep Express	4	2	1	2	5	3	0.3
Motorway Junior Rep	4	1.6	1	2	5	3	0.2

That formula almost works however the Bugatti Veyron scores only a rating of 8 with 16/8/1/4/2/2 stats.

Edited by MrBarry123 on Thursday 26th March 00:05

[DeolTheBeast]

emicen said:

LivewareProblem said:

There is no way the M135i is more "supercar" than a DBS

Revised formula would agree with you...

[ Cylinders x Capacity x Exhausts ] / [ Driven Wheels x Doors x Wipers ]

Car	Cylinders	Capacity	Exhausts	WWD	Doors	Wipers	Supercarness
Diablo	12	6	4	2	2	1	72
Lexus LFA	10	4.8	3	2	2	1	36
Carerra GT	10	5.7	2	2	2	1	28.5
Gallardo	10	5	4	4	2	2	12.5
DBS	12	6	2	2	3	2	12
M6	8	4.4	4	2	3	2	11.7
996 GT2	6	3.6	4	2	2	2	10.8
M135i	6	3	4	2	2	2	9
M5	8	4.4	4	2	4	2	8.8
996 TT	6	3.6	4	4	2	2	5.4
GTR [R35]	6	3.8	4	4	3	2	3.8
M135i	6	3	2	2	3	3	2
Golf R	4	2	4	4	3	3	0.9
MINI Cooper S JCW [R56]	4	1.6	2	2	3	3	0.7
Golf R 5dr	4	2	4	4	5	3	0.5
Motorway Rep Express	4	2	1	2	5	3	0.3
Motorway Junior Rep	4	1.6	1	2	5	3	0.2

Pretty good, until you see an M5 and M6 above a GTR like that. Performance needs to be included somehow?

[MJ85]

DeolTheBeast said:

emicen said:

LivewareProblem said:

There is no way the M135i is more "supercar" than a DBS

Revised formula would agree with you...

[ Cylinders x Capacity x Exhausts ] / [ Driven Wheels x Doors x Wipers ]

Car	Cylinders	Capacity	Exhausts	WWD	Doors	Wipers	Supercarness
Diablo	12	6	4	2	2	1	72
Lexus LFA	10	4.8	3	2	2	1	36
Carerra GT	10	5.7	2	2	2	1	28.5
Gallardo	10	5	4	4	2	2	12.5
DBS	12	6	2	2	3	2	12
M6	8	4.4	4	2	3	2	11.7
996 GT2	6	3.6	4	2	2	2	10.8
M135i	6	3	4	2	2	2	9
M5	8	4.4	4	2	4	2	8.8
996 TT	6	3.6	4	4	2	2	5.4
GTR [R35]	6	3.8	4	4	3	2	3.8
M135i	6	3	2	2	3	3	2
Golf R	4	2	4	4	3	3	0.9
MINI Cooper S JCW [R56]	4	1.6	2	2	3	3	0.7
Golf R 5dr	4	2	4	4	5	3	0.5
Motorway Rep Express	4	2	1	2	5	3	0.3
Motorway Junior Rep	4	1.6	1	2	5	3	0.2

Pretty good, until you see an M5 and M6 above a GTR like that. Performance needs to be included somehow?

Is the M135i supposed to make an appearance twice?

[Black_S3]

911 turbo wins (if you accept the new category of hypercar )

[Swordman]

MattHall91 said:

Swordman said:

Supercar:
- Mid engined
- V12 and up (or a turbo V8 or some kind of hybrid thing)
- E.g. Lambo Miura, Ferrari F40, Enzo, LaFerrari, McLaren F1, P1, Porsche 959 etc.

CGT and LFA are V10s but DEFINITELY supercars.

Hmmm...ok, the idea is to make to criteria fit what we know to be supercars. It gets complicated, because I consider the Gallardo to be a sportscar rather than a supercar, and that has a V10. So I'll revise the criteria below:

- Mid engined
- V12 and up (or a turbo V8 or flat 6 turbo (or above) or a race derived engine or some kind of hybrid thing)
- E.g. Lambo Miura, Ferrari F40, Enzo, LaFerrari, McLaren F1, P1, Porsche 959 etc.