Cheapest Supercar

[g7jhp]

The Moose said:

Coming back to the 911, is a turbo a supercar?

Yes, the Porsche 911 turbo has always been the usable supercar with performance to match it's competitors!

911 turbo, Lamborghini Countach, Ferrari Testarossa.

or

959, Diablo, F40.

[J8 SVG]

The Moose said:

In my opinion, it is on the cusp. I do like the Spyder, again, however I'm not convinced it's entirely a supercar.

That is a supercar. What else could it be?

And in LP570 mode, even more so

[walm]

MKnight702 said:

Any saloon, hatchback or coupe, 2+2 or 4 seater is automatically excluded, sorry BMW M and Nissan GT-R fans. Quick point to point certainly (quicker than a Ferrari 328, but then so are most modern hot hatches) but in no way a supercar.

No Ferrari California or FF??
I think you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

[The Moose]

walm said:

MKnight702 said:

Any saloon, hatchback or coupe, 2+2 or 4 seater is automatically excluded, sorry BMW M and Nissan GT-R fans. Quick point to point certainly (quicker than a Ferrari 328, but then so are most modern hot hatches) but in no way a supercar.

No Ferrari California or FF??
I think you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

To be fair, that could just be his take on the matter.

[emicen]

g7jhp said:

The Moose said:

Coming back to the 911, is a turbo a supercar?

Yes, the Porsche 911 turbo has always been the usable supercar with performance to match it's competitors!

For that very reason I may have to work what wheel drive in to my equation.

GT2, yes. Turbo, no.

Supercars should want to hurt you, that's part of their sex appeal. You don't lust after a mistress that will give you cuddles on the couch, you want one that's going to send you to a chiropractor.

[McSam]

walm said:

MKnight702 said:

Any saloon, hatchback or coupe, 2+2 or 4 seater is automatically excluded, sorry BMW M and Nissan GT-R fans. Quick point to point certainly (quicker than a Ferrari 328, but then so are most modern hot hatches) but in no way a supercar.

No Ferrari California or FF??
I think you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

No, no California or FF. One is a 2+2 convertible and the other is a GT car. Neither are anywhere near being supercars.

A Ferrari 612 isn't a supercar either, nor the Aston DB9.

[Wild Rumpus]

MKnight702 said:

Well the Ultima GTR fulfills pretty much all criteria I can think of for a supercar (and scores 16.0 on the supercar scale) so that has to be a contender.

Any saloon, hatchback or coupe, 2+2 or 4 seater is automatically excluded, sorry BMW M and Nissan GT-R fans. Quick point to point certainly (quicker than a Ferrari 328, but then so are most modern hot hatches) but in no way a supercar.

My thoughts exactly, the Ultima GTR - you could build a new one for £35K or so.

[CarreraWB]

emicen said:

g7jhp said:

The Moose said:

Coming back to the 911, is a turbo a supercar?

Yes, the Porsche 911 turbo has always been the usable supercar with performance to match it's competitors!

For that very reason I may have to work what wheel drive in to my equation.

GT2, yes. Turbo, no.

Supercars should want to hurt you, that's part of their sex appeal. You don't lust after a mistress that will give you cuddles on the couch, you want one that's going to send you to a chiropractor.

So an Aventador isn't a supercar?

[g7jhp]

CarreraWB said:

emicen said:

g7jhp said:

The Moose said:

Coming back to the 911, is a turbo a supercar?

Yes, the Porsche 911 turbo has always been the usable supercar with performance to match it's competitors!

For that very reason I may have to work what wheel drive in to my equation.

GT2, yes. Turbo, no.

Supercars should want to hurt you, that's part of their sex appeal. You don't lust after a mistress that will give you cuddles on the couch, you want one that's going to send you to a chiropractor.

So an Aventador isn't a supercar?

So you also rule out the Porsche 959 or Bugatti Veyron.

And the original 930 and later 964, 911 turbo's would still be in. No the 911 turbo has always been a supercar when released!

[MattHall91]

The FF is one of the best supercars available today!

V12, amazing sound, Earth-shatteringly fast, huge sense of occasion, brand heritage, image, special feel. I could go on.

Just because it has those back seats doesn't change a thing.

[McSam]

MattHall91 said:

The FF is one of the best supercars available today!

V12, amazing sound, Earth-shatteringly fast, huge sense of occasion, brand heritage, image, special feel. I could go on.

Just because it has those back seats doesn't change a thing.

The FF is effectively a 4WD, more practical version of the F12. I'm not even sure the F12 comes into the "supercar" category, as really it's intended as a grand tourer too, but the FF most certainly doesn't fit the definition we're using here.

It's a truly fantastic machine, that's beyond question. But it is not a supercar.





Edited for broken image link.

Edited by McSam on Wednesday 25th March 14:43

[Dave Hedgehog]

J8 SVG said:

That is a supercar. What else could it be?

a marketing exercise to get cash from punters who cant afford a real lambo supercar (with silly doors)

doubly so since the new car is a re-skinned R8

[Qubit]

A lot of this comes down to how you define 'supercar'. Personally I would say that a late model Esprit and a DB7 Vantage come close for not totally stupid money, and a lot closer than a GT-R for example. Another option would be a Noble M12.

[emicen]

g7jhp said:

CarreraWB said:

emicen said:

g7jhp said:

The Moose said:

Coming back to the 911, is a turbo a supercar?

Yes, the Porsche 911 turbo has always been the usable supercar with performance to match it's competitors!

For that very reason I may have to work what wheel drive in to my equation.

GT2, yes. Turbo, no.

Supercars should want to hurt you, that's part of their sex appeal. You don't lust after a mistress that will give you cuddles on the couch, you want one that's going to send you to a chiropractor.

So an Aventador isn't a supercar?

So you also rule out the Porsche 959 or Bugatti Veyron.

And the original 930 and later 964, 911 turbo's would still be in. No the 911 turbo has always been a supercar when released!

The Aventador being excluded would irk a touch, but the rest I would agree with.

Thats not to say I would exclude 4WD, but it would need to be an element of the equation. Probably a multiplier on the numerator line; RWD 4, 4WD 2, FWD 0

Edited by emicen on Wednesday 25th March 15:01

[StottyEvo]

Ferrari 355 or 360 are the cheapest I can think of.

[DonkeyApple]

The Moose said:

Coming back to the 911, is a turbo a supercar?

I would argue that it isn't. It's probably the finest sports car on the market and happens to have the performance to monster many super cars but with full ICE, electric seats and the fact that you can buy as many as you want, whenever you want rules it out.

959, CGT or 918 are definitely supercars.

[F1GTRUeno]

Mafffew said:

How is a Gallardo not a supercar? Will the Huracan be put in the same bracket in a few years as well? If a Gallardo doesn't count then you can't be counting older generation Ferraris either. They look the business, sound great and produce about high 400s low 500s BHP.

Nissan GT-Rs count? The 550 bhp models do 0-60 in under 3 seconds, sitting around £60k. There are some Litchfield tuned ones that produce even more for cheaper.

Edited by Mafffew on Wednesday 25th March 08:21

Well it depends.

For example the F355 and 360 Modena were always sports cars to me and the Gallardo was designed to beat the 360 but gained supercar performance in the process so I dunno. The progress of that level of car of the past few years has been absolutely silly.

Similarly for the GT-R, the R32/33/34 weren't supercars but the current car has the performance to beat pretty much anything so you'd say it was...but then it's a Nissan and it's cheap (relatively) and those two things are part and parcel of the supercar aura. You need a ridiculous badge and ridiculous price too.

[TheHound]

DonkeyApple said:

For example, someone in Norfolk would probably consider an Allegro to be a supercar while someone living in central London who sees 911's and Gallardos all day long has long since stopped thinking they are anything special at all.

Oy! stop bashing good ole Norfolk ... Although you probably are correct with your assumption.

[LivewareProblem]

emicen said:

The inherent supercarness of any car can be defined with one simple formula. Its the same formula that explained why your mate's Saxo was so much cooler than your dad's Montego estate:

[ Cylinders x Exhaust Pipes ] / [ Doors x Wipers ]

Vehicle	Cylinders	Exhausts	Doors	Wipers	Supercarness
Diablo	12	4	2	1	24.0
Gallardo	8	4	2	2	8.0
M135i	6	4	2	2	6.0
M6	8	4	3	2	5.3
M5	8	4	4	2	4.0
DBS	12	2	3	2	4.0
Golf R	4	4	3	3	1.8
Golf R 5dr	4	4	5	3	1.1

There is no way the M135i is more "supercar" than a DBS

[Strawman]

LivewareProblem said:

There is no way the M135i is more "supercar" than a DBS

Well according to his own forumla he got the figures wrong since the M135i has three doors and 3 wipers, so should score 2.7. Personally I don't think there is any simple formula you can apply to decide what is and isn't a supercar.