RE: New Jaguar XF - official
Discussion
silentbrown said:
Looks good, but am I the only one that thinks in-car touchscreens are a fundamentally broken concept? I find them *totally* impossible to operate while driving.
I prefer touch screen I find them a lot faster and intuitive. We have always managed to press buttons whats the difference?
with some kind of joy pad you still have to look at teh screen you just have to do it for longer IME.
Audi with its letter wheel for sat nav makes me want to kill kittens.
Repent said:
Surprised at all the negative comments. As a car and an object, I think that looks absolutely incredible. More dramatic than an Audi, more svelte than a BMW, fresher than a Merc and less contrived than a Lexus/Infiniti.
Im not. its always been like this around here.I think this XF looks awesome.
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 25th March 12:20
silentbrown said:
Looks good, but am I the only one that thinks in-car touchscreens are a fundamentally broken concept? I find them *totally* impossible to operate while driving.
you need to take your eyes off the road more and concentrate on what you are doing - then you will find them easier to operate.......
I like the look. Family similarities do not offend me at all. It will be easier to judge them when the actual cars can be viewed side by side. We only have to wait until the NY show on 1 April for that. No doubt those with train spotter tendencies will spot the visual clues to denote differences besides size.
The new touch screen looks interesting and innovative; it is certainly needed. If it works as advertised (see video from c9 minutes 45 seconds in) it will be an impressive improvement on what went before.
The new touch screen looks interesting and innovative; it is certainly needed. If it works as advertised (see video from c9 minutes 45 seconds in) it will be an impressive improvement on what went before.
monamimate said:
The Lexusification of Jaguar continues... great car probably, well-built, clean styling, but where's the passion, the warmth, the identity (no, I'm not asking for a retro model)... it's all so bland.
Plus one here... They have the in house skills to produce something extraordinary but launch something nice. Please be braver Jaguar...So they are continuing with the touch screens then? Merc's and BMW's iDrive are both considered to be a be a better option that touch screens.
I'm sure Jaguar will get there eventually, but the competition will have probably moved onto something else by then.
I quite like the previous gen ZFs and I quite like this one too. However, I can't help but think that Jaguar left it far too long to introduce the 4cyl engine. I know that old 2.2 is pretty low tech now, but it would have given them a viable alternative to the 520d.
I'm sure Jaguar will get there eventually, but the competition will have probably moved onto something else by then.
I quite like the previous gen ZFs and I quite like this one too. However, I can't help but think that Jaguar left it far too long to introduce the 4cyl engine. I know that old 2.2 is pretty low tech now, but it would have given them a viable alternative to the 520d.
Pesty said:
I prefer touch screen
I find them a lot faster and intuitive. We have always managed to press buttons whats the difference?
If you're parked up and can give it your full attention, then touchscreen wins every time.I find them a lot faster and intuitive. We have always managed to press buttons whats the difference?
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 25th March 12:20
But when you're driving, you've got the problem of moving your finger onto a smallish target with no tactile feedback about what you're doing. Basically you have to watch your finger (instead of the road) 100% from the moment you start moving it to the point where you see/hear feedback from the press. And your finger is at the end of an outstretched arm being jiggled around by the car's movement on the road, with nothing to anchor it to. The Audi wheel is annoying at first, but compared to the hateful touchscreen in Mrs SB's Freelander 2, there's no contest.
With touchscreen you've also got the problem of location: Put it near line of vision, and it's a real stretch to operate - but put it closer to where hands are, and you've got to move your eyes well off the road to see it.
(And yes, you shouldn't be using these systems when you're driving, of course. But who's going to pull over to change the station on the radio?)
GTEYE said:
Hmm Russian doll styling, just like the Germans.
It seems to be what the marketing department demands, to keep the image "on trend", but do the customers actually want this repetition?
Not so sure on that one.
Agreed. What I liked so much about the Jag line-up was how the cars all managed to have their own identities but still be recognisably modern Jags. The arrival of the XE just reinforced that and it slotted in nicely with its own identity. It seems to be what the marketing department demands, to keep the image "on trend", but do the customers actually want this repetition?
Not so sure on that one.
But this car points to a change in direction that replicates the Audi approach. It clearly works for Audi and some Beemers so that's what Jag wants a piece of. Suppose we can't blame them if it's a proven approach to better sales volume.
A subtly handsome but disappointingly derivative car. A missed opportunity. Shame.
1. Good news. Very much looking forward to the launch of this car. Wouldn't have minded a bit more distinction versus the XE.
2. Seeing the PH list of "important stats" -- with CO2 listed as the number-one figure -- was a shock. Definitely highlights the massive consumerization of CO2 in the EU versus the US (where it's a figure that appears in tiny legal type).
3. The stunt crossing the Thames was simply ludicrous. I laughed out loud at the rapper medallion swinging beneath the car. Nothing short of a product launch in Moscow. Very unlike the English.
Must make it tricky for LR launching two models (I.e. XE and XF) so close to each other? Manufacturers tend to stagger these things somewhat?
PS didn't Callum specifically say he wasn't going to have a "Russian doll" approach to the styling, unlike the Germans?
PS didn't Callum specifically say he wasn't going to have a "Russian doll" approach to the styling, unlike the Germans?
Edited by danp on Wednesday 25th March 13:01
Interesting that the touch screen is such a focus of this launch/report, it is almost like that is what JLR think people care about most.
With regards to touchscreen vs iDrive etc, the industry trend is moving towards touchscreen, even a German manufacturer who said they would never have a touchscreen are looking at them now.
With regards to touchscreen vs iDrive etc, the industry trend is moving towards touchscreen, even a German manufacturer who said they would never have a touchscreen are looking at them now.
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