RE: Porsche 991 goes all-turbo
Discussion
To a degree it seems as if the is a torrent of criticism every time Porsche makes a major 911 change. I love NA engines myself, and will certainly keep some, but I will wait and see how the next few versions of the 911 develop and see how they can make it as much fun as its predecessors.
It raises a lot of questions in m mind as to the future of the GT3/RS.
Let's looks at the upcoming product line:
992 ( non GT3)..all turbo, with enormous power in the top model. This Autumn.
GT3/RS..no longer the performance kings relatively with all of the turbos around them in the future. At some stage there is a limit to what lightness and aerodynamic design can do. I hear RS is one year only model.
Evidently it will wrap up production after the 992 commences so we will have simultaneous production of the 991RS and the 992. Like the end of the 356 and beginning of the 911 in the past.
960 ( 2017)...flat 8, quad turbo mid engined.
below the 911...some interesting variants of the Boxster such as the GT4. (for now non turbo?)
So, it seems to me that sooner or later they have to either drop the GT3 direction or turbo it, effectilvely eliminating the distinction with the GT2/RS.
I would be worried that we are seeing the end of the NA engine throughout the age.
Let's looks at the upcoming product line:
992 ( non GT3)..all turbo, with enormous power in the top model. This Autumn.
GT3/RS..no longer the performance kings relatively with all of the turbos around them in the future. At some stage there is a limit to what lightness and aerodynamic design can do. I hear RS is one year only model.
Evidently it will wrap up production after the 992 commences so we will have simultaneous production of the 991RS and the 992. Like the end of the 356 and beginning of the 911 in the past.
960 ( 2017)...flat 8, quad turbo mid engined.
below the 911...some interesting variants of the Boxster such as the GT4. (for now non turbo?)
So, it seems to me that sooner or later they have to either drop the GT3 direction or turbo it, effectilvely eliminating the distinction with the GT2/RS.
I would be worried that we are seeing the end of the NA engine throughout the age.
You may well be right,and certainly AP has some clear preferences. Still, Porsche has accountants and the program for a limited number of NA cars may not be so viable.. for instance, the 991RS no longer has a separate engine but a highly tuned 9A1, and uses the turbo body shell which I think was done for cost reasons and they ingeniously adapted the intakes for the GT3. Its still a great car I think, and I am picking mine up on September 2. I just have a bad feeling that it is at the very late point in the evolution of the NA line....
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For years I was a BMW driver, and the M cars were truly different, not just tuner versions. They had their own engine line too. Is some ways the last BMW M car I really loved was the E39 M5. The M6 I had at least still had a unique engine in the V10, but now the engines are just high powered versions of the regular line, and as a result I no longer see the more track focused cars that were there years ago.Certainly the GT4 was a complete surprise to me when Porsche announced it, so maybe there is some hope.
RDMcG said:
anonymous said:
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For years I was a BMW driver, and the M cars were truly different, not just tuner versions. They had their own engine line too. Is some ways the last BMW M car I really loved was the E39 M5. The M6 I had at least still had a unique engine in the V10, but now the engines are just high powered versions of the regular line, and as a result I no longer see the more track focused cars that were there years ago.Certainly the GT4 was a complete surprise to me when Porsche announced it, so maybe there is some hope.
The E39 M5 engine (& car build quality) is stonkingly good, as is the M5/M6 V10 (but let down by the transmission in Europe)) but the swansong GTS/CRT engines are a peach. And yet the new F80 M3 ( 991.2 or 992 C2S) power is far more accessible - simply not as addictive to the old diehards.
The na GT4 (or the GT4 RS) could well be the swan song - and the turbocharged one would demolish most in its wake.
RoverP6B said:
A manual GT3RS on its way? Just need to drop the 4-wheel, electrically-assisted steering for a normal fixed-ratio hydraulic front-wheel-steer system then...
My info is that the current car is one year only, so no 2016 car of any kind. This would stretch the 1.2RS into 2017 model year by which time the all-turbo range will definitely be here. Lots of rumours about manual, but have to wonder if it will happen by that stage.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff