James May on Diesels

[Roger Irrelevant]

northwest monkey said:

Targarama said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

AC43 said:

Just posted on Twitter;

"Reporters outside my house: if you're going to hang around on small streets with your car engines idling all day, don't buy a bloody diesel."

Just sayin'

Hang on, if there's one thing I've learned from the 'drive petrol not diesel' thread it's that modern diesels are whisper smooth and not clattery or agricultural in the slightest. James May must be mistaken.

Not sure if serious?

Pretty sure there was a large dollop of sarcasm with that post.

There was.

[luckystrike]

rgw2012 said:

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

Sorry, just not true I'm afraid.

[shakotan]

rgw2012 said:

Cliftonite said:

clonmult said:

If you own a TV that is capable of receiving broadcasts, you do ....

I've had this déjà vu before!!

(And it was BS then, too!).

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

UTTER bkS!

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradio...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance...

Edited by shakotan on Thursday 26th March 13:23

[gizlaroc]

TV detector vans, are they real?

I have always presumed they don't detect anything at all, just know you don't have a license and presume you have a TV.

But then read this, surely they can't post such bullst??

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ73#

[anonymous-user]

Mark-C said:

longblackcoat said:

Mark-C said:

Ares said:

May needs to tread carefully. In the nanny BBC/Lefty state we live in, that could get him sacked too.

Given he was making the (presumably lefty) point that Diesels are polluting when just sat there idling why do you think your statement is true?

Because BBC = evil = ecomental LibLabCon Greenwarming conspiracy

Yep ... Godwin’s Law needs modifying for PH to replace the Nazis with the BBC ...

You have just proved that there is no need to change Godwins law

[rgw2012]

shakotan said:

rgw2012 said:

Cliftonite said:

clonmult said:

If you own a TV that is capable of receiving broadcasts, you do ....

I've had this déjà vu before!!

(And it was BS then, too!).

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

UTTER bkS!

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradio...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance...


Believe what you like - not my problem if anyone can't prove they weren't watching live TV when they have equipment capable of receiving it but don't have a licence.

[shakotan]

rgw2012 said:

shakotan said:

rgw2012 said:

Cliftonite said:

clonmult said:

If you own a TV that is capable of receiving broadcasts, you do ....

I've had this déjà vu before!!

(And it was BS then, too!).

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

UTTER bkS!

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradio...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance...

Believe what you like - not my problem if anyone can't prove they weren't watching live TV when they have equipment capable of receiving it but don't have a licence.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[jimbobsimmonds]

gizlaroc said:

TV detector vans, are they real?

I have always presumed they don't detect anything at all, just know you don't have a license and presume you have a TV.

But then read this, surely they can't post such bullst??

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ73#

As an EMC Engineer and somebody who knows a bit about TEMPEST. It isn't impossible; but I could not be any more certain that the BBC and some bloke in the back of a van do not have the capability to do it. What's more if they did, the investment required to kit out the vans would require forcing a hell of a lot of people to pay up their TV license. It would actually be quite hilarious if it wasn't for the fact it was from essentially a tax funded organisation. Maybe GCHQ need to get the TV License people on board?

[Dave Hedgehog]

jimbobsimmonds said:

gizlaroc said:

TV detector vans, are they real?

I have always presumed they don't detect anything at all, just know you don't have a license and presume you have a TV.

But then read this, surely they can't post such bullst??

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ73#

As an EMC Engineer and somebody who knows a bit about TEMPEST. It isn't impossible; but I could not be any more certain that the BBC and some bloke in the back of a van do not have the capability to do it. What's more if they did, the investment required to kit out the vans would require forcing a hell of a lot of people to pay up their TV license. It would actually be quite hilarious if it wasn't for the fact it was from essentially a tax funded organisation. Maybe GCHQ need to get the TV License people on board?

it wouldn't matter anyway, they have no right of entry for a visual inspection so you can tell them to sling their hook

[Dave Hedgehog]

rgw2012 said:

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

utter crap

[Devil2575]

Ares said:

May needs to tread carefully. In the nanny BBC/Lefty state we live in, that could get him sacked too.

Oh shut up you idiot.

Unless he walks out and punches someone he isn't going to get sacked.

[Helicopter123]

Targarama said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

AC43 said:

Just posted on Twitter;

"Reporters outside my house: if you're going to hang around on small streets with your car engines idling all day, don't buy a bloody diesel."

Just sayin'

Hang on, if there's one thing I've learned from the 'drive petrol not diesel' thread it's that modern diesels are whisper smooth and not clattery or agricultural in the slightest. James May must be mistaken.

Not sure if serious? 6 and 8 pot diesels are smoother, but not 4 pot. Just yesterday a brand new 520D was cruising around a carpark I was walking through, it sounded awful. Maybe not as clattery as an old Transit, but still way below 'executive'.

I notice these things. I am currently looking for a Merc CLS to replace my BMW. I have a choice of 350D or 350 Petrol and V8 petrol. Guess what I'm not choosing. I do 20k miles a year too. Life is too short.

Completely agree, at that annual mileage the diesel is a no brainer despite the racket.

[mph1977]

jimbobsimmonds said:

As an EMC Engineer and somebody who knows a bit about TEMPEST. It isn't impossible; but I could not be any more certain that the BBC and some bloke in the back of a van do not have the capability to do it. What's more if they did, the investment required to kit out the vans would require forcing a hell of a lot of people to pay up their TV license. It would actually be quite hilarious if it wasn't for the fact it was from essentially a tax funded organisation. Maybe GCHQ need to get the TV License people on board?

what i suspect may have worked effectively in the 50s or 60s probably wouldn't work now ... primarily becasue stuff is far better screened and fewer and fewer TVs work by throwing excited electrons around a vacuum tube (there's one evacuated tube that relies on throwing electrons about even in a 'solid state' CRT monitor)...

[freecar]

Dave Hedgehog said:

rgw2012 said:

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

utter crap

Indeed!
Why do people spout such drivel? All it takes to find out the truth is to read the TVlicensing.co.uk website and it will tell you that all that has been spouted about needing a licence if you are able to receive TV broadcasts is crap and its simply the act of watching live broadcasts that decide whether you need to shell out for a licence or not.

FWIW, non licence payer here and proud! Can't remember the last time I watched live TV. Long live Netflix, long live the revolution!!

[SpeckledJim]

rgw2012 said:

Not BS - Any property that has equipment CAPABLE of receiving live TV broadcasts needs to be covered by a TV licence - it's down to you if you want to argue that you never use that facility. It is on that basis that Capita will continue to chase after licence payments as there aren't many households without such equipment (ie most TV's have built in tuners these days). You are also covered for watching live TV on a portable device by your property's licence at other locations; until you plug it into the mains then the location you are at needs to be covered by a licence. The only clear way around this is if you solely use devices that don't have a TV tuner built in and never use iPlayer for it's live channel broadcasts

Where did you get this from. Simply completely incorrect.

It is the action of watching live TV that needs the license.

You can own as many TVs as you want, plugged into whatever you like, as long as you aren't watching (or recording) live TV.

[soad]

Amusing website: http://www.bbctvlicence.com/index.htm

[TurboHatchback]

Helicopter123 said:

Targarama said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

AC43 said:

Just posted on Twitter;

"Reporters outside my house: if you're going to hang around on small streets with your car engines idling all day, don't buy a bloody diesel."

Just sayin'

Hang on, if there's one thing I've learned from the 'drive petrol not diesel' thread it's that modern diesels are whisper smooth and not clattery or agricultural in the slightest. James May must be mistaken.

Not sure if serious? 6 and 8 pot diesels are smoother, but not 4 pot. Just yesterday a brand new 520D was cruising around a carpark I was walking through, it sounded awful. Maybe not as clattery as an old Transit, but still way below 'executive'.

I notice these things. I am currently looking for a Merc CLS to replace my BMW. I have a choice of 350D or 350 Petrol and V8 petrol. Guess what I'm not choosing. I do 20k miles a year too. Life is too short.

Completely agree, at that annual mileage the diesel is a no brainer despite the racket.

Hardly, I certainly wouldn't choose a diesel over a nice petrol V8 for only 20k a year. I agree that diesels are nasty things and having them idling unnecessarily outside your house is unpleasant. I have one in my Landcruiser which sounds great for a diesel and is fun to drive in a lorry-ish sort of way but there's no disputing it chucks out some evil exhaust.

As for TV licenses, yes you only need a license if you actually watch/record live TV, possessing equipment capable of doing so is irrelevant. I would not pay for a license and do not ever plan to.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Helicopter123 said:

Targarama said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

AC43 said:

Just posted on Twitter;

"Reporters outside my house: if you're going to hang around on small streets with your car engines idling all day, don't buy a bloody diesel."

Just sayin'

Hang on, if there's one thing I've learned from the 'drive petrol not diesel' thread it's that modern diesels are whisper smooth and not clattery or agricultural in the slightest. James May must be mistaken.

Not sure if serious? 6 and 8 pot diesels are smoother, but not 4 pot. Just yesterday a brand new 520D was cruising around a carpark I was walking through, it sounded awful. Maybe not as clattery as an old Transit, but still way below 'executive'.

I notice these things. I am currently looking for a Merc CLS to replace my BMW. I have a choice of 350D or 350 Petrol and V8 petrol. Guess what I'm not choosing. I do 20k miles a year too. Life is too short.

Completely agree, at that annual mileage the diesel is a no brainer despite the racket.

I'm pretty sure that Targarama's saying that despite doing 20k miles a year he's looking at petrol. As would I. But I'm not sure if you actually realise this and are now being sarcastic yourself. I need to invent a sarcastic font for use on the internet to take all this confusion away.

[MajorMantra]

Roger Irrelevant said:

I need to invent a sarcastic font for use on the internet to take all this confusion away.

http://glennmcanally.com/sarcastic/

If only it would catch on.

[Targarama]

Roger Irrelevant said:

Helicopter123 said:

Targarama said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

AC43 said:

Just posted on Twitter;

"Reporters outside my house: if you're going to hang around on small streets with your car engines idling all day, don't buy a bloody diesel."

Just sayin'

Hang on, if there's one thing I've learned from the 'drive petrol not diesel' thread it's that modern diesels are whisper smooth and not clattery or agricultural in the slightest. James May must be mistaken.

Not sure if serious? 6 and 8 pot diesels are smoother, but not 4 pot. Just yesterday a brand new 520D was cruising around a carpark I was walking through, it sounded awful. Maybe not as clattery as an old Transit, but still way below 'executive'.

I notice these things. I am currently looking for a Merc CLS to replace my BMW. I have a choice of 350D or 350 Petrol and V8 petrol. Guess what I'm not choosing. I do 20k miles a year too. Life is too short.

Completely agree, at that annual mileage the diesel is a no brainer despite the racket.

I'm pretty sure that Targarama's saying that despite doing 20k miles a year he's looking at petrol. As would I. But I'm not sure if you actually realise this and are now being sarcastic yourself. I need to invent a sarcastic font for use on the internet to take all this confusion away.

Yup, petrol all the way.