RE: Porsche 996 Turbo: Catch it while you can

[Mr Whippy]

hot66 said:

the coolant pipe that corroded .. that is just one of those things & not a typical fault. As Whippy says, it could have been fixed for a small amount, but I wanted it right ( at that stage I was planning on keeping the car for a long time ) . Also the welded coolant pipes .. wasnt needed to be done & probo would have lasted the next 10 years without having to be done , that was just one of those ' whilst you're in there' jobs .

Did it look like it'd perforated from dirt trapped between the rubber support and what I assume was an ally coolant pipe, and slowly abraded it's way through and created pinholes?

Just trying to figure what the failure mode was.

Dave

[hot66]

dirt, moisture etc trapped between pipe and the plastic clamp. Alloy corrosion . Not caused by movement of pipe

[Lost soul]

Mr Whippy said:

Lost soul said:

OK so the performance car part is or should not come into it , but for such a critical section of piping you would have hoped it would have been more durable , or is this fault not as common - typical as i am led to believe ?

That o-ring could be in a Zonda or a Corsa. It's a critial o-ring but it has a design life.

Every single engine component or ancillary component could be seen as critical because a cascade failure is always possible.



Dave

Yes o rings will be a weak point , any connection would be , but it seems the actual pipe work pits and corrodes which is a worry

[Mr Whippy]

Yeah it sounds a bit thin.

Try owning a French car though, say a Peugeot. The entire car is a design flaw if you follow the logic of a random pipe failing after a decade of all-year round use

And don't think because it's a cheap car that it's ok because it's easy or cheap to fix. Parts are as expensive as premium ones, and they're hard to work on too, and they'll fail again within no time in many cases.


For what goes on a 996T you should be grateful because there is much worse to go wrong on other cars, that is often impossible to avoid with good care and maintenance.

Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Wednesday 1st April 12:25

[Lost soul]

Mr Whippy said:

Try owning a French car though, say a Peugeot. The entire car is a design flaw if you follow the logic of a random pipe failing after a decade of all-year round use


Dave

Stunning cars all the same , I guess they had to leave a bit of fettling for the beards to get on with

[Gollum]

Rare or not, investment or not, just look at it!

[Axel987]

997 looks better

[996TT02]

Axel987 said:

997 looks better

996 owner so maybe biased, but apart from the front lights which are definitely nicer on the 97, I find the 97 Turbo to be rather fussily detailed, the 96 Turbo is cleaner.

But then I said so...

[Pepsi Max 996T]

yes, but only from the front. Those 997tt wheels are truly ghastly.

[Mr Whippy]

I prefer 996T all round, including lights.

It's the interior that's the problem. It's not terrible but it's not aged as well as a same vintage f360 interior for example.

Dave

[k-ink]

Whilst the 993TT is far better looking than either. But then you are talking truly daft money now.

[g7jhp]

k-ink said:

Whilst the 993TT is far better looking than either. But then you are talking truly daft money now.

But offers inferior performance (and I actually prefer the 996/997 looks - although the 964 turbo is king).

[k-ink]

Yep the 946 is very cool

[wongthecorrupter]

they should be cheap, they have boxter headlamps

[wongthecorrupter]

Gollum said:

Rare or not, investment or not, just look at it!

nasty

[Mr10secs]

Heres a clip of what happens when a coolant pipe lets go on a 996 turbo, this was as the car was driving around, I was changing a clutch and the customer had asked to have the easy to get too pipes pinned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kNllZV5aHo&fe...

[Lost soul]

Mr Whippy said:

I'm amazed how many fairly low end dealers end up with nice ish cars, while I wouldn't trust them to sell me a £500 banger!

Dave

I guess the thing is many 996 turbos had dropped in price until they had fallen into the hands of owners who could buy them but not run/maintain them properly , now the prices are on the up these same poorly maintained cars are being punted out at top end prices

[Mr Whippy]

Lost soul said:

I guess the thing is many 996 turbos had dropped in price until they had fallen into the hands of owners who could buy them but not run/maintain them properly , now the prices are on the up these same poorly maintained cars are being punted out at top end prices

I kinda agree, but most of these jobs are niggles really.

Flat battery, wipers, suspension etc.

All jobs a decent DIY'er could do...

OK not super cheap, but likely not significantly more expensive than any other car.

Dave

[Lost soul]

Mr Whippy said:

Lost soul said:

I guess the thing is many 996 turbos had dropped in price until they had fallen into the hands of owners who could buy them but not run/maintain them properly , now the prices are on the up these same poorly maintained cars are being punted out at top end prices

I kinda agree, but most of these jobs are niggles really.

Flat battery, wipers, suspension etc.

All jobs a decent DIY'er could do...

OK not super cheap, but likely not significantly more expensive than any other car.

Dave

But then if they have not done fairly simple jobs like wipers or battery what chance have the more involved or expensive jobs got of being done

[Mr Whippy]

Lost soul said:

But then if they have not done fairly simple jobs like wipers or battery what chance have the more involved or expensive jobs got of being done

Yep it's pretty worrying.

I blame the dodgy dealers rather than owners. An owner can do what they like with their car, and no doubt they got shafted at trade in, but for a dealer to start selling these cars is questionable, more so at the prices being asked for!

Bubble.