RE: Porsche 996 Turbo: Catch it while you can

RE: Porsche 996 Turbo: Catch it while you can

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blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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EarlOfHazard said:
I had the chance to buy my mate's m3 evo for 2.5k back 2008. Instead I bought an Audi S6 2.2 turbo- a week later the engine blew up. As far as cars go, that was my biggest regret.
That M3 was soooooo quick
He was either giving it away or it was a shed. I looked at them around that time and good ones were 2 or 3 times that. As for the CSL how many of those were sold in the UK ?

EarlOfHazard

3,601 posts

157 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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blade7 said:
EarlOfHazard said:
I had the chance to buy my mate's m3 evo for 2.5k back 2008. Instead I bought an Audi S6 2.2 turbo- a week later the engine blew up. As far as cars go, that was my biggest regret.
That M3 was soooooo quick
He was either giving it away or it was a shed. I looked at them around that time and good ones were 2 or 3 times that. As for the CSL how many of those were sold in the UK ?
He was either giving it away or it was a shed. I looked at them around that time and good ones were 2 or 3 times that. As for the CSL how many of those were sold in the UK ?
It was pretty good conditon, and history. Techno violet coupe manual, with cream leather vader seats.
But it was due a service, and the ultimate worrying factor was that the rear suspension had dropped. So new suspension was factored in to the price. I had a pretty bad history of buying sheds(money pits), so steered clear of the m3.
Turns out, the only thing wrong with the suspension, was that the rubber in the mounts had perished, two were purchased from GSF for about 25 quid. The car sold on ebay for about 4k.

Leins

9,421 posts

147 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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blade7 said:
He was either giving it away or it was a shed. I looked at them around that time and good ones were 2 or 3 times that. As for the CSL how many of those were sold in the UK ?
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blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Leins said:
blade7 said:
He was either giving it away or it was a shed. I looked at them around that time and good ones were 2 or 3 times that. As for the CSL how many of those were sold in the UK ?
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How many 996TT's ?

Leins

9,421 posts

147 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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^^^ Not sure, but given the 996TT was produced for 5 years and the CSL for only 8 months I would think it would be many multiples of that number. Worldwide numbers for the 996TT is somewhere around the 20,000 mark, in comparison to 1383 CSLs (incl prototypes)

yajeed

4,888 posts

253 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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It'll be interesting to see what interest I get in mine, which is a 100k 2000 model.

I've loved owning it and am probably selling at the bottom of the market, but needs must.

They're very capable every day cars - I've covered 30k in 2 years and it's never let me down. That's not to say it's been cheap; At that age/mileage there are a few common jobs which will need doing. Mine's had new discs and pads, radiator, air con condensers, brake lines, suspension refresh, some kind of clutch seal, replacement of all the turbo brackets and heat shields etc and that's without thinking about tyres and cosmetic stuff like stone chip removal and alloy refurbs.

That said, the depreciation on a normal car would have cost the same and would have been far less fun!

Certainly the quickest B road car I've had and by no means dull in comparison to the TVRs/Maserati. I'll be back in a 911 turbo one day, though I suspect iI won't be able to get a non-auto then...



Edited by yajeed on Saturday 28th March 17:59

Gollum

31 posts

176 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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You want a 996 with limited production numbers?

996 turbo S Coupe - 600 cars

UK variant - 100 cars

Tiptronic - 15 cars

2005 only
450 bhp
620 nm torque
Updated gearbox, turbo's, electronics.
Suspension: 15 mm lower than the turbo
PCCB as standard

Awesome piece of kit




David A

3,602 posts

250 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Gollum said:
You want a 996 with limited production numbers?

996 turbo S Coupe - 600 cars

UK variant - 100 cars

Tiptronic - 15 cars

2005 only
450 bhp
620 nm torque
Updated gearbox, turbo's, electronics.
Suspension: 15 mm lower than the turbo
PCCB as standard

Awesome piece of kit
And the 996 Turbo S cabriolet (tiptronic) ??



Edited by David A on Sunday 29th March 15:44

X50Black

25 posts

118 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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The 996 turbo X50 is very rare (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 rarer still and will be the one that will gain the most in value along with Turbo S manual. All the pundits in the trade agree.

Mr10secs

383 posts

234 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Amazing the difference in opinions here! 1 guy thinks a stock 996 looks better than a turbo, personally I hate them (lookswise) a lot think the 997 interior is nicer, myself and a lot of others hate the plasticky look, I really hate it)so just goes to show diff strokes for diff folks, as for bottom of the market well that was prob close to 2 years ago, I got mine black/black 6 speed with full OPC history for 20K and just after bought a black 2000 6 speed with black ruffled leather needing clutch and accumulator for 14K on 19" turbo wheels.
As for a narrow body looking better IMO no





Engine out for a few days to fit new fuel system, injectors and GT28 ball bearing turbos





Edited by Mr10secs on Sunday 29th March 15:42

Denno B

962 posts

204 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Mr Whippy said:
k-ink said:
May as well wait for 997 TT to bottom out. They are making tons of those. Plus they are better looking and faster.
I agree, I'd wait on the interior alone.
Prefer the 997tt myself but wonder if the rise of the 996tt prices will push the 997's up, although there are examples of 996's overtaking the 997. Just seems to be a crazy market in general at the moment with Porsches.

Mr10secs

383 posts

234 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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997T prices are decreasing while 996T are going up, after all it is the first of the watercooled 911's

Birdster

2,529 posts

142 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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GekkoRules said:
Birdster said:
Really hoping to jump into one of these within the the next twelve months.

Have they risen that much? As I seem to remember seeing them as low as £25K and 911Virgin has one for £28K.

To be fair I'm basing my prices on 911Virgin/RSJ prices.

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/704/996Tur...
This is my old car. It's a beauty. Really great condition and history.
Nice car. I see that someone has put a deposit down. smile

Mr Whippy

28,945 posts

240 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Denno B said:
Prefer the 997tt myself but wonder if the rise of the 996tt prices will push the 997's up, although there are examples of 996's overtaking the 997. Just seems to be a crazy market in general at the moment with Porsches.
Yep some weird times ahead.

But simple market forces will determine value. If high vol 996 go up AND 997 go up, whose paying for so many expensive old cars?
You increasingly just buy even newer cars for a bit more as they're much better value.

The reality is there are bubbles lurking.

I think, as a few others have noted, the boat has been and gone on the 'getting in early' idea. It's years past.

All you do now is risk losing money imo, as the 997t show no signs of levelling out at strong 996t prices already.


But I've been known to be wrong smile

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Mr10secs said:
Engine out for a few days to fit new fuel system, injectors and GT28 ball bearing turbos


Aren't there some glued together coolant pipes buried in there that need replacing or welding ?

Mr10secs

383 posts

234 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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blade7 said:
Aren't there some glued together coolant pipes buried in there that need replacing or welding ?
Yeah but I cant be bothered to do them, Im building a forged 3.8 and they are all being done while its in bits, to do them all is a lot of work and if you only do 80% whats the point. Spoke to Matt @ Fearnsport and he has never seen one that has actually let go even though I had one let go in the engine im using for the rebuild !!!

Gollum

31 posts

176 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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LK
David A said:
And the 996 Turbo S cabriolet (tiptronic) ??



Edited by David A on Sunday 29th March 15:44
It's hard to find the numbers, someone will know. Any Porsche officianardo's out there?

I thought there were 100 UK turbo S cars total but I read something today that said that was just the Coupe's.

I do know that the majority of Cabriolets were Tip and the majority of Coupe's - manual so the rarest are the tip coupe or manual cabs.

All I would say is don't buy one unless you intend to drive it like you stole it, I can't think of any greater waste!

I have never experienced another car that rewards as much for being driven flat out like the 996 turbo, S or not - 5 or 6 speed...

Secretly I think the 997.1 will ultimately fare best as they are the very last of the Metzger engines. They're less involving to drive though.

To wrap up as an investment; 997.1 turbo,
To drive; 996 turbo S



Edited by Gollum on Sunday 29th March 19:42


Edited by Gollum on Sunday 29th March 19:44

David A

3,602 posts

250 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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To be accurate


To drive: 996 turbo S Cab fetteled by 9e, exhaust on loud mode smile


Edited by David A on Monday 30th March 07:42

I Rock

25 posts

191 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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After 6 years ownership I recently sold 993 Turbo , paid off mortgage and bought 996 Turbo . Still not sure if I did the right thing .

Edited by I Rock on Sunday 29th March 23:42

Lost soul

8,712 posts

181 months

Monday 30th March 2015
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Mr10secs said:
As for a narrow body looking better IMO no
yes no comparison

and as for comparing to the M3 CSL I don't get that really