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OP, whilst I do understand your frustration, I also think you may be moving over too early!
Or maybe consider speeding up to around 70 for that stretch? Should alleviate the issue considerably.
We do the journey every week coming back to the big smoke and know the road well. A bigger problem (IMO) is coming up to J4 at Wycombe. The signs 'encourage' everyone to move into lane 2 waayyyyy too early so you suddenly get HGVs (eg) swinging immediately out of Lane 1 unnecessarily early just because. You forever see harder braking than should be required through lack of common sense.
Bringing that example back to J2, you hopefully see what I mean?
And if you think the M40 is bad, try the bloody M4!!!!
Or maybe consider speeding up to around 70 for that stretch? Should alleviate the issue considerably.
We do the journey every week coming back to the big smoke and know the road well. A bigger problem (IMO) is coming up to J4 at Wycombe. The signs 'encourage' everyone to move into lane 2 waayyyyy too early so you suddenly get HGVs (eg) swinging immediately out of Lane 1 unnecessarily early just because. You forever see harder braking than should be required through lack of common sense.
Bringing that example back to J2, you hopefully see what I mean?
And if you think the M40 is bad, try the bloody M4!!!!
Scootersp said:
Purely as it is bothering you a bit I would use it to clear out the cobwebs and get up to a heady 75 or 80 indicated for a Mike or so.
what do the hgv's do on this stretch? When do they move over?
In my experience, HGV drivers elsewhere change lanes immediately at the first sign in this scenario.what do the hgv's do on this stretch? When do they move over?
Like the t
t at Meadowhall on the M1 very early one morning when he and I (heading for an overtake in Lane 2) were the only vehicles in sight!Why do people drive a car on motorways at less than 68mph?
They were designed as a faster route between two points to get this country 'moving'.
You regularly see drivers of cars doing 50 so that trucks need to use lane two to stay at 56. It just slows everybody else down.
This will be the point at which I get told that speed is bad.....
If you drive in Europe you will realise what crap drivers we have in the UK. The middle lane huggers who sit there listening to their radio/music and switch off. They can't be bothered use the inside lane and overtake when necessary.
And those that sit in the outside lane and either don't notice or ignore cars that come up behind them going faster.
Stay on the inside lane until there is something just ahead to overtake and then move straight back in afterwards. If they can do it in Germany, France, Belgium, etc. why can't drivers do it here. It is in the Highway Code!
They were designed as a faster route between two points to get this country 'moving'.
You regularly see drivers of cars doing 50 so that trucks need to use lane two to stay at 56. It just slows everybody else down.
This will be the point at which I get told that speed is bad.....
If you drive in Europe you will realise what crap drivers we have in the UK. The middle lane huggers who sit there listening to their radio/music and switch off. They can't be bothered use the inside lane and overtake when necessary.
And those that sit in the outside lane and either don't notice or ignore cars that come up behind them going faster.
Stay on the inside lane until there is something just ahead to overtake and then move straight back in afterwards. If they can do it in Germany, France, Belgium, etc. why can't drivers do it here. It is in the Highway Code!
I can see what's wrong with people doing 50, unless there's a vehicle specific reason for it, in which case perhaps the motorway isn't the place for it unless somethings happened and they are trying to make the next exit.
But why 68? Why not 69? Nothing wrong with 60-65 imo. Really nothing wrong at all.
Trying to drive properly at spot on 70 today on a busy motorway and keep best possible legal progress without getting boxed in and without pulling out inappropriately on faster moving traffic can be quite difficult.
Staying at 60-65 in a journey with no time pressures can make for a more relaxing drive. Need to overtake slower traffic reduced, and an additional option available in planning overtakes, namely a legal increase in speed.
Note the emphasis on certain words in the above
But why 68? Why not 69? Nothing wrong with 60-65 imo. Really nothing wrong at all.
Trying to drive properly at spot on 70 today on a busy motorway and keep best possible legal progress without getting boxed in and without pulling out inappropriately on faster moving traffic can be quite difficult.
Staying at 60-65 in a journey with no time pressures can make for a more relaxing drive. Need to overtake slower traffic reduced, and an additional option available in planning overtakes, namely a legal increase in speed.
Note the emphasis on certain words in the above
Storer said:
Why do people drive a car on motorways at less than 68mph?
In my case it's because I'm in absolutely no hurry and the difference in mpg between 60 and 70+ is pretty significant. Why should I spend money just tp please someone else. If me doing 60 holds you up, leave earlier! The Mad Monk said:
1. Are you moving over when the overhead signs say so, or when the white paint markings on the road say so?
2. Are the people flashing you, drivers who are not familiar with the junction layout?
3. Are they Northerners?
1. A mixture. I start to keep an eye out for a suitable gap when the signs appear, but don't cross over straight away. But I like to be in lane 3 shortly before the road markings tell me I must be in lane 3.2. Are the people flashing you, drivers who are not familiar with the junction layout?
3. Are they Northerners?
2. They have to choose themselves between M25 & M40. So they must know it's 1&2 for M25 and 3&4 for M40.
3. Difficult to tell when I'm lip reading "f
king get over you tt" what their accent is.anonymous said:
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This, and on that section there's little or nothing OP can do tbh, except perhaps get up the chuff of an HGV and follow it down. I often used to have exactly the same thing on my daily commute at c70, staying left and moving a little later seemed to be about the best compromise for me.Storer said:
If you drive in Europe you will realise what crap drivers we have in the UK. The middle lane huggers who sit there listening to their radio/music and switch off. They can't be bothered use the inside lane and overtake when necessary.
And those that sit in the outside lane and either don't notice or ignore cars that come up behind them going faster.
What do you expect when people are allowed to be let loose on a road system they are not taught/instructed in how to use?And those that sit in the outside lane and either don't notice or ignore cars that come up behind them going faster.
Until the numbnuts in Govt. change the driving test and/or rules regarding M-way's, I don't see anything improving at all.
W124 said:
Have a pint at the Royal standard. Always a good idea. I was there not long ago and, staring idly out the window, I saw a badger ambling up, it looked at me somewhat affably and just wondered off. Love that place, they overdo it with all the 'oldest pub' cobblers but the beer is very good. As is the whiskey selection.
Sorry chaps, but 'The Royal Standard' is a far better pub than 'The Royal Standard of England'. The former is on Wooburn Common and is not frequented by tourists but by locals who want a good choice of handpumped ales and wholesome food at reasonable prices. The RSoE is nice enough to take someone from overseas, but it's not a proper local pub. It was the nearest pub bar a Harvester to me for 35 years but I always chose the Wooburn Common Royal Standard. Cloggy might be along in a moment as a particular fan of the Royal Standard...TwigtheWonderkid said:
Storer said:
Why do people drive a car on motorways at less than 68mph?
In my case it's because I'm in absolutely no hurry and the difference in mpg between 60 and 70+ is pretty significant. Why should I spend money just tp please someone else. If me doing 60 holds you up, leave earlier! Imagine that the description was slightly leaning another way and your complaint was that you always seem to find a 50mph oldie pootling along at that stretch. On the 'anticipation' of the junction ahead, the old boy in driving gloves pulls out well in advance as he has planned ahead and anticipated the junction and lane changing he is about to experience.
He was taught to think ahead and he always does.
Therefore, as you fly up behind him at OVER 60mph!!! He sees in his mirror (he always uses them as he always has done) that you are coming but bu66er that. He has done nothing wrong. As you ROAR past him at close to the limit, he simply gives you a ''knowing shake of his head' as you should have planned ahead and slowed down. That way you would not have had to pull in front of that flash new car that must have been doing well over the limit.
Foolish behaviour - can't you look ahead and slow down accordingly? After all, if you are in such a damn hurry, leave a little earlier!
hopefully that makes my point? 
anonymous said:
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Calm down dear it's only the Internet !I drive that bit of road a couple of times per month so I know it well, the OP is already aware of the difficulty posed by the road layout if he switches lane early and gets people up his chuff well it would make sense to speed up for a minute or two in the interests of keeping everything Flowing nicely.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
rb5er said:
So you sit at 60mph in Lane 3 of a 4 lane carriageway for a mile and wonder whats wrong with that?
Tell me what's wrong with it under the circumstances I've described. No one else seems to think I'm doing much wrong.Share your expertise.
Your 60-65mph shown on the speedo is more likely an actual 50-55mph.
Try doing 70-80mph and you are likely still within the legal limits yet not causing a dangerous obstruction.
If you still think you are in the right to be doing likely less than 60mph in lane 3 of a 4 lane motorway then continue rather than listen to why you are getting beeped and "salt-shaked" at, you started the thread, I am merely answering your question. I am just pointing out why this is happening and that surely doing the speed limit is no hardship, less dangerous and wont result in you getting called a w
ker.Why do you want to drive so slowly anyway? Is it a big difficulty to do the speed limit even if just for that section of road?
anonymous said:
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I live just down the road and know the section well, J1A of the M40. I used to work on the m40 and have seen some terrible driving along it. I understand well and am often unimpressed that people would cause an obstruction on a fast section of motorway like this as they can`t manage the speed limit. Perhaps you do not understand the scenario as it seems you have not driven that stretch.Edited by rb5er on Sunday 29th March 15:19
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