Road rage escalation
Discussion
Hol said:
Because the Civic driver did something bad enough, to make him get out of his car and have calm words.
Otherwise nothing makes sense about the whole situation.
A colleague of mine had a white van guy get out of his van and shout blue murder at her because she was sat in traffic and was leaving a car length in front of her. They were sat in the jam for half an hour and the guy got out of his van to shout at her 2 times. Otherwise nothing makes sense about the whole situation.
Some people are just dicks.
Strawman said:
RobM77 said:
Sorry, but you're still really not understanding what I (and others) are saying. Imagine you've got a rusty bolt on yout car, what I said would be like me saying "the problem with steel bolts, or in fact anything made of steel, is rust". That doesn't mean I'm making up facts or anything like that, it's just a manner of speech. In a similar way I was saying that (to paraphrase what I said) "the problem with people who get out of their cars to have words with other drivers, or in fact any such sancimonious action (as with vigilantes for example) is.."
In answer to your question, yes, of course the OP has the most idea of what happened - he was there
Nobody's said otherwise have they?
You might have noticed two people have left this thread depressed by the twisted logic applied here by you and a few othere. Those on your side of the 'debate' who want to emphasise the wrongness of the van driver's actions, whereas I see what he did was perfectly legal and indeed normal in a civilised society. Yet that is somehow now vigilante action. The normal definition of vigilante involves violence.In answer to your question, yes, of course the OP has the most idea of what happened - he was there
Nobody's said otherwise have they?From dictionary.com "done violently and summarily, without recourse to lawful procedures:"
For about the fifth time, nobody has called this chap a vigilante, we/I used an analogy (look that up in your dictionary). Someone else tried to explain this to you and you just swore at them, which to be honest solidifies your side of the debate very nicely, whereby you think it's ok to get out of your car and 'have words' with people whose driving you disaprove of. Whilst I think anybody doing such a thing is out of place, sanctimonious and rude, it's not 'wrong' per se (as in 'illegal'), so that's something else you haven't grasped from reading this thread: nobody has said that. All I'm saying (and others) is that whilst running someone over is clearly very wrong and very illegal, you do have to wonder at a more subtle moral level what drove this chap to do that; i.e. what was being said and what events had preceded the incident. We don't know any of that of course, it's all still a mystery, but it's rather narrow minded to to assume that the van driver was politely having a word with this guy - we can't assume anything about what happened, that's the whole point I'm trying to make.Checkmate said:
Mr. Honda driver could certainly look forward to an aggravated assault charge for that one. Well deserved, by the information given.
Not if he went straight to the nearest copshop and had already reported the transit driver for threatening him in some way, so badly that he felt it necessary to get out of there asap even if it meant hitting the guy. Just saying, it's possible.RobM77 said:
For about the fifth time, nobody has called this chap a vigilante,RobM77 said:
The key message here is that road rage, or in fact any vigilante style confrontation with a complete stranger, can easily escalate beyond the significance of the original problem and see either party getting seriously injured.
Strawman said:
RobM77 said:
For about the fifth time, nobody has called this chap a vigilante,RobM77 said:
The key message here is that road rage, or in fact any vigilante style confrontation with a complete stranger, can easily escalate beyond the significance of the original problem and see either party getting seriously injured.
Strawman said:
Edmund Burke said:
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Is the analogy I'd choose to characterise your attitude.My stance would be as described in the last few pages though, that it's the Police that are there to keep order on the roads, not the public. As we all know, the UK Police are underfunded and overworked and you virtually never see them on the roads anymore, but that still won't make me get out of my car and try and lecture people on how to drive, no matter how polite I am about it. I've had enough situations as a high mileage driver and cyclist (plus seen and read about loads on PH and You Tube etc) to realise that most people simply can't be told unless you're wearing a uniform, they'll just argue back and claim they're right, which gets us nowhere (other than A&E occasionally, as with the van driver in the OP's story).
Fair enough. I have never found myself talking to another driver either, usually when someone makes a mistake they wave an apology, or if I was at fault I would hold up my hand to acknowledge my mistake. A while back a cyclist rode into the back of my stationary car, I got out to see if he was al-right or had caused any damage, he was and hadn't. Another time I stopped in front of a van at night and jumped out to tell him his lights weren't on, my flashing hadn't worked. That's about it.
kev1974 said:
Not if he went straight to the nearest copshop and had already reported the transit driver for threatening him in some way, so badly that he felt it necessary to get out of there asap even if it meant hitting the guy. Just saying, it's possible.
It is possible, but the sole witness account we have suggests that it would not have been necessary.hora said:
jamieduff1981 said:
I thought I'd chip in again to advise that the Police have not contacted me about this to date.
If I had a close call and pulled up next to (or my likely behind) a car at lights I might get out to ask who/explain themselves. Does that automatically make me a thug or someone who was alarmed and wants to follow it up?Edited by hora on Wednesday 1st April 15:50
sparkyhx said:
jamieduff1981 said:
I thought I'd chip in again to advise that the Police have not contacted me about this to date.
Interesting - did the van driver know you had the registration? Maybe not made a complaint - Police probably not pursue unless they have a complaint He gave me his mobile number to which I sent him a text message containing my name and the Honda's registration, and I told him I'd give the Police whatever they needed.
He told me he was on his way to meet friends and would call the Police when he got there.
An hour later when I decided to call 101 myself, the operator who took my call said they had already heard of this incident and she said she believed it was the van driver who had made the initial call. She did ask me to briefly describe what happened and describe the hit & run car, which she said matched what they already had recorded.
That was the first and last I've heard from the Police.
Edited by jamieduff1981 on Wednesday 1st April 21:00
hora said:
I keep thinking of that scene in Pulp Fiction, where Bruce Willis is,sat at the lights then runs over Marsellus Wallace for some reason
I must admit, that's an explanation I hadn't thought of for the OP's story. Maybe the van driver was a feared boss of the Aberdeenshire underworld and the Civic driver had just double crossed him over a bet on a rigged boxing match? As I said earlier, we just don't know the circumstances! 
RobM77 said:
must admit, that's an explanation I hadn't thought of for the OP's story. Maybe the van driver was a feared boss of the Aberdeenshire underworld and the Civic driver had just double crossed him over a bet on a rigged boxing match? As I said earlier, we just don't know the circumstances!
Did he look like a b
h?daniel1920 said:
RobM77 said:
must admit, that's an explanation I hadn't thought of for the OP's story. Maybe the van driver was a feared boss of the Aberdeenshire underworld and the Civic driver had just double crossed him over a bet on a rigged boxing match? As I said earlier, we just don't know the circumstances!
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