oldest new looking car

[r11co]

M1C said:

My 'reasons' are that when i look at the TVR Sagaris, i dont see any resemblance to styling features of a 250GTO, E-Type or Shelby.

Yup. No resemblance in the slightest. The Sagaris doesn't even have the Shelby's tilting bonnet lattices (ooops!)

Bottom line is that all front-engined coupés have looked like this sine the '60's. Another doppelgänger is the Toyota 2000GT, which only distinguishes itself because of its oversized headlights.

It's another reason why Aston have seen no need to change the basic shape of their cars since 1994.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 27th April 23:39

[r11co]

TommoAE86 said:

FFS. That looks about as new as VHS tape and 32" CRTs.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 27th April 23:49

[gizlaroc]

r11co said:

TommoAE86 said:

FFS. That looks about as new as VHS tape and 32" CRTs.

I don't even know what that is!!???


But then I am only 42 so I was probably 12 when that came out and was more into my BMX than cars.

[TommoAE86]

gizlaroc said:

r11co said:

TommoAE86 said:

FFS. That looks about as new as VHS tape and 32" CRTs.

I don't even know what that is!!???


But then I am only 42 so I was probably 12 when that came out and was more into my BMX than cars.

r11co - fair enough. I still disagree, it's fairly bland looking which alot of cars are now but curvy enough not to look like it's from the late 80's (compared to the CRX as an extreme). The rear lights look modern enough, guess you would need to change the fronts to a narrower profile to fit with current fashions though.

giz - If you're not being sarcastic then it's a Nissan 300ZX and it was first sold in 1989.

[M1C]

r11co said:

M1C said:

My 'reasons' are that when i look at the TVR Sagaris, i dont see any resemblance to styling features of a 250GTO, E-Type or Shelby.

Yup. No resemblance in the slightest. The Sagaris doesn't even have the Shelby's tilting bonnet lattices (ooops!)

Bottom line is that all front-engined coupés have looked like this sine the '60's. Another doppelgänger is the Toyota 2000GT, which only distinguishes itself because of its oversized headlights.

It's another reason why Aston have seen no need to change the basic shape of their cars since 1994.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 27th April 23:39

I can see the resemblence there with those comparison pics, yes. There are similarities, particularly with the bonnet slats.

However, does the Sagaris look remotely old fashioned or out of date as a result? No! It doesn't look like an old car at all. Purely my opinion of course. I will admit, the wiper blades look pants! They would need to be changed for new style ones.

You could probably find details on any car that link to previous cars, it's gonna happen, it doesn't automatically mean they look dated.

The Toyota 2000GT:



Great looking car - particularly the convertible. (which really does reference the E Type)

Does it look dated, yes.

Does it look anything like a Sagaris...no!

Anyway, we are not going to agree, lets move on

r11co - what car would you say is a good choice for this thread?

[gizlaroc]

I was being genuine, it looks like the sort of car that the baddies would drive in 80's films.

The design sort of optimises the 80s to me. (I say 80s, I still think the 90s we were pretty similar to how we are now, until I look at photos of course).

I don't think it would stand up too well in the showroom trying to look new next to this...

[AH33]

So we're all agreed on the Sagaris?

[Tuvra]

300bhp/ton said:

That's because you are being silly and deliberating missing the point.

In this company, it's much less obvious and indeed, it could be a current or new model if you didn't know what it was.

Have a day off FFS, as usual you are the one missing the point, the 959 looked ancient even against a 10 year old 997.

You park a 959 in a Porsche showroom today and it will stand out like a sore thumb without a shadow of a doubt, even a non petrol head idiot with Vaseline over their eyes would be able to tell that it was a classic. The 959 looks dated even when parked next to a 993 due to its dated design features:

And just to reiterate my point of how "not new" it looks:-



fk it, I'll even use pics from your source (but from a better angle and in better definition) to prove my point:-

If you still think it looks box fresh in 2016, you must be totally blind or still stuck in the 90's....

[austinsmirk]

well thats fine, all the Porsche talk, but where's your photographic evidence to back it up ?

[gizlaroc]

AH33 said:

So we're all agreed on the Sagaris?

It looks like all TVRs do, like a kit car from the 60s or 70's that someone has only just built.

Old new stock.

[Tuvra]

gizlaroc said:

AH33 said:

So we're all agreed on the Sagaris?

It looks like all TVRs do, like a kit car from the 60s or 70's that someone has only just built.

Old new stock.

I think thats a bit harsh, I'd say all TVR's from the Tuscan on look like some kind of weird concept car which could have been designed in 2016. The Tuscan 2 deserves a mention too:-

[gizlaroc]

Tuvra said:

I think thats a bit harsh, I'd say all TVR's from the Tuscan on look like some kind of weird concept car which could have been designed in 2016. The Tuscan 2 deserves a mention too:-

I didn't say I didn't like the fact they look like that, just that is what they all tend to look like to me.

That is a MY07 car as well in your image. Which sort of backs up my point, get an older car that is so different to most modern design and build it again from brand new and it will look newish to some degree. I think based on that is does fill the brief.

But isn't there a new one coming?
Looking it seems these are the images for it, and if you stick that 2007 Tuscan next to it in the showroom will people really not be able to tell which one is the current design?

[feef]

Tuvra said:

gizlaroc said:

AH33 said:

So we're all agreed on the Sagaris?

It looks like all TVRs do, like a kit car from the 60s or 70's that someone has only just built.

Old new stock.

I think thats a bit harsh, I'd say all TVR's from the Tuscan on look like some kind of weird concept car which could have been designed in 2016. The Tuscan 2 deserves a mention too:-

Didn't I say the Tuscan 2 back on page 2?

[Truckosaurus]

Another thing that would make a 959 look old is its size. I'm sure a modern MX5 would be larger.

[Tuvra]

Truckosaurus said:

Another thing that would make a 959 look old is its size. I'm sure a modern MX5 would be larger.

Its not that small:-

Porsche 959:
W: 1.84m
L: 4.26m
H: 1.28m

2016 Porsche 911:
W: 1.81m
L: 4.5m
H: 1.29m

2016 Porsche Cayman
W: 1.8m
L: 4.37m
H: 1.29m

2016 MX5
W: 1.73m
L: 3.9m
H: 1.22m

[r11co]

M1C said:

r11co - what car would you say is a good choice for this thread?

I've re-iterated my suggestion several times throughout this thread - the Mk2 Punto (including pictures comparing it to two cars in the same sector released in the past 2 years which, if anything, look older than it).

I'm willing to concede though that it isn't a perfect suggestions as while everything from the A-pillars back is still current (and being ripped off by cars like the MG3 and the latest Toyota Aygo) it lacks the big, buff front end and high bonnet line mandated by pedestrian safety standards of today.

The A2 is a better suggestion for the class, and lucks into having the high bonnet line by co-incidence of its overall packaging.

[300bhp/ton]

Tuvra said:

Have a day off FFS, as usual you are the one missing the point, the 959 looked ancient even against a 10 year old 997.

You really are a detestable chap aren't you. Ever thought of seeking professional help?

Anyhow, as all you manage to do is name call like a school boy, lets just agree to disagree before you end up wetting yourself.

I -- in my opinion -- think that on some modern sized wheels, it wouldn't look out of place next to the current 911 range. Yes the uber models are far more extravagantly and flamboyantly designed, but that doesn't really reflect the mainstream model line from Porsche.

If you think it looks 'ancient', that is of course your prerogative.

[M1C]

r11co said:

M1C said:

r11co - what car would you say is a good choice for this thread?

I've re-iterated my suggestion several times throughout this thread - the Mk2 Punto (including pictures comparing it to two cars in the same sector released in the past 2 years which, if anything, look older than it).

I'm willing to concede though that it isn't a perfect suggestions as while everything from the A-pillars back is still current (and being ripped off by cars like the MG3 and the latest Toyota Aygo) it lacks the big, buff front end and high bonnet line mandated by pedestrian safety standards of today.

The A2 is a better suggestion for the class, and lucks into having the high bonnet line by co-incidence of its overall packaging.

Ah yes, i saw that suggestion although didn't realise it was you.

My thoughts on that car... I do think it aged well. I think it remained a good looking car for quite a long time (and the facelift in 2004/2005 utterly spoiled the front and back ends of it). Do i think you could put a 16 plate on it now....im not sure
However i do see where you are coming from....it was a very clean design which probably didnt get the praise it deserved. There was always a yellow Sporting one always parked near my college when they were pretty new and i thought it was the absolute bees knees.

So...i'd say...good call...great design....IMO doesn't quite look 'current' but i can totally see where you are coming from.

I call that lunch.

[8potdave]

Will probably get flamed for this but it's opinion based right?

Well I saw a really clean looking one of these earlier and couldn't believe it was 10 years old:


Only the 3 door version though strangely, the 5 doors look hideous.

[r11co]

8potdave said:

Will probably get flamed for this but it's opinion based right?

I think P-Jay's post from a couple of pages back booted that idea out.