RE: McLaren Sports Series info and pics
Discussion
IMIA said:
+1
I was having fun with a few Hs at VMAX a few days ago. Stunning design but even then knowing its an R8 in drag takes the gloss away a bit. They were unbelievably quick at launching VBOX 3.1s 60mph and 6.5s to 100mph all day. Top speeds of well in excess of 205 mph run after run all day. Even gave a 918 a run for its money!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuBITN9C2U
All those videos have done is show me how utterly un-involving and boring cars have become. They might well be rocketships in their straight-line performance these days, but the drivers in both those videos just pressed a button, extended their right foot, and then held on. They didn't even need to extend their finger to the paddles to change gear. Computers took care of the launch and wheel slip, and timed the gear changes at the redline. How utterly boring! I was having fun with a few Hs at VMAX a few days ago. Stunning design but even then knowing its an R8 in drag takes the gloss away a bit. They were unbelievably quick at launching VBOX 3.1s 60mph and 6.5s to 100mph all day. Top speeds of well in excess of 205 mph run after run all day. Even gave a 918 a run for its money!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuBITN9C2U
sixspeed said:
All those videos have done is show me how utterly un-involving and boring cars have become. They might well be rocketships in their straight-line performance these days, but the drivers in both those videos just pressed a button, extended their right foot, and then held on. They didn't even need to extend their finger to the paddles to change gear. Computers took care of the launch and wheel slip, and timed the gear changes at the redline. How utterly boring!
I doubt that sort of acceleration is boring, but I know what you mean otherwise. The art of getting it right is a challenge which definitely appears to have been taken away with the cars in the video so pretty much anyone could repeat the times they got just by getting in the car and pressing the right sequence of buttons. Mind you, if I could get consistency for the first 64ft in my hillclimb runs I'd be happy!sixspeed said:
All those videos have done is show me how utterly un-involving and boring cars have become. They might well be rocketships in their straight-line performance these days, but the drivers in both those videos just pressed a button, extended their right foot, and then held on. They didn't even need to extend their finger to the paddles to change gear. Computers took care of the launch and wheel slip, and timed the gear changes at the redline. How utterly boring!
Boring? Fortunately I guess for the Huracan owner he doesn't just get to enjoy the straight line performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8BuRjWqwA
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Sway said:
I've been waiting patiently for this to be released. Have loved the others in the range, but was perhaps most interested in the 'everyday' Mclaren. Not for me to buy now, but to have as my aspirational target.
Current target is an Evora 400. The talk of the dimensions will kill this in my opinion. It simply has to be smaller than the 650s to work as a daily. Otherwise the size alone will make it a massive pain when finding a parking space, or enjoying it on the road.
I really, really hope something has been lost in translation, as it would be massively annoying for the makers of the F1, with it's wonderful blend of small size, decent luggage space and stonking power to have ignored the benefits on the road a relatively narrow width and minimal overhangs provide.
My thoughts exactly swayCurrent target is an Evora 400. The talk of the dimensions will kill this in my opinion. It simply has to be smaller than the 650s to work as a daily. Otherwise the size alone will make it a massive pain when finding a parking space, or enjoying it on the road.
I really, really hope something has been lost in translation, as it would be massively annoying for the makers of the F1, with it's wonderful blend of small size, decent luggage space and stonking power to have ignored the benefits on the road a relatively narrow width and minimal overhangs provide.
So not that much bigger.
Gandahar said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Sway said:
I've been waiting patiently for this to be released. Have loved the others in the range, but was perhaps most interested in the 'everyday' Mclaren. Not for me to buy now, but to have as my aspirational target.
Current target is an Evora 400. The talk of the dimensions will kill this in my opinion. It simply has to be smaller than the 650s to work as a daily. Otherwise the size alone will make it a massive pain when finding a parking space, or enjoying it on the road.
I really, really hope something has been lost in translation, as it would be massively annoying for the makers of the F1, with it's wonderful blend of small size, decent luggage space and stonking power to have ignored the benefits on the road a relatively narrow width and minimal overhangs provide.
My thoughts exactly swayCurrent target is an Evora 400. The talk of the dimensions will kill this in my opinion. It simply has to be smaller than the 650s to work as a daily. Otherwise the size alone will make it a massive pain when finding a parking space, or enjoying it on the road.
I really, really hope something has been lost in translation, as it would be massively annoying for the makers of the F1, with it's wonderful blend of small size, decent luggage space and stonking power to have ignored the benefits on the road a relatively narrow width and minimal overhangs provide.
So not that much bigger.
I don't want a car for sunny weekends on wide open smooth roads. I want a day to day car that makes every drive feel special. I have that now with a cheap fibreglass kit car! Evora is the next stage in my head, the hope was this would be the one after that. Ultimate has always been the F1, or 250 Fcar.
A 650S is too big for normal driving enjoyment on B roads and the sort of tight A roads that are typical for my area. Too wide, too long for parking/queuing. Just generally too big in plan dimensions.
For this to be bigger than the 650S is completely wrong, and shows they've put track stats ahead of normal road driving pleasure.
I am disappoint.
I can understand where Sway is coming from to be honest.
The fact is that the best driving roads in the UK tend to be B roads or the more twisty A roads. Cornering a car is very satisfying from the initial braking point through the corner and applying the throttle. You get this multiple times on those roads.
With a wider car though you don't have as much room to work with, the road seems even smaller. You don't want to have your drivers side wing mirror knocked off or your passenger one scratched by the local hedge. So you become "aware" of the size. Which sort of works against the car manufacturer putting a wider track in for more grip. It's made the car faster and you have made it slower as you try to slot it down that B road to vanishing point.
Confidence with threading as my gran told me, and she was a seamstress.
Gordon Murray keeps talking about a supercar. It would be interesting to see what he would come up with. He did the Rocket, something you don't have to worry about width with
so perhaps he could do a supercar the same width as a Mk1 MX5 ?
Now that would be challenging, but it would be a paradyne shift on what a supercar should be in the 21st Century. Modern tyres are so good nowadays you don't need a wide body to keep in check Pirelli P7's a la Countach.
The fact is that the best driving roads in the UK tend to be B roads or the more twisty A roads. Cornering a car is very satisfying from the initial braking point through the corner and applying the throttle. You get this multiple times on those roads.
With a wider car though you don't have as much room to work with, the road seems even smaller. You don't want to have your drivers side wing mirror knocked off or your passenger one scratched by the local hedge. So you become "aware" of the size. Which sort of works against the car manufacturer putting a wider track in for more grip. It's made the car faster and you have made it slower as you try to slot it down that B road to vanishing point.
Confidence with threading as my gran told me, and she was a seamstress.
Gordon Murray keeps talking about a supercar. It would be interesting to see what he would come up with. He did the Rocket, something you don't have to worry about width with
so perhaps he could do a supercar the same width as a Mk1 MX5 ?Now that would be challenging, but it would be a paradyne shift on what a supercar should be in the 21st Century. Modern tyres are so good nowadays you don't need a wide body to keep in check Pirelli P7's a la Countach.
garyhun said:
McLaren 650 is 2093mm wide. 570 is 2095mm and a 991 is 1808.
So the 570 is just 27.7cm wider than a 991.
I cannot believe that's too wide for any UK roads. Even my old Audi R8 at 1930mm never seemed wide on the twisty roads.
I guess we're all different.
Are those figures all including wing mirrors? If without then the 650/570 seems extremely wide, if with mirrors then the 991 is very narrow.So the 570 is just 27.7cm wider than a 991.
I cannot believe that's too wide for any UK roads. Even my old Audi R8 at 1930mm never seemed wide on the twisty roads.
I guess we're all different.
It's horses for courses, obviously!
I suppose what I wanted more than anything was Mclaren creating the 'Cayman at 911 level' that Porsche will never make. I don't really want +2 seating, but I do want a great performing mid engines daily driver put together with a high level of quality.
The Evora is so close (close enough that I'd really love one). Build quality isn't at Porsche/Mclaren levels, but the layout, size, performance, ride and pretty much everything else is there. Oh, the engine is a minus, being a boggo v6 from Toyota.
If wishes were dreams and all that, buy I'd have been far more excited by a Cayman sized Mclaren, with relatively small tyres, and the great ride the interconnected dampers give. Lighter, less power (so similar power to weight). P1esque looks.
I suppose what I wanted more than anything was Mclaren creating the 'Cayman at 911 level' that Porsche will never make. I don't really want +2 seating, but I do want a great performing mid engines daily driver put together with a high level of quality.
The Evora is so close (close enough that I'd really love one). Build quality isn't at Porsche/Mclaren levels, but the layout, size, performance, ride and pretty much everything else is there. Oh, the engine is a minus, being a boggo v6 from Toyota.
If wishes were dreams and all that, buy I'd have been far more excited by a Cayman sized Mclaren, with relatively small tyres, and the great ride the interconnected dampers give. Lighter, less power (so similar power to weight). P1esque looks.
It's horses for courses, obviously!
I suppose what I wanted more than anything was Mclaren creating the 'Cayman at 911 level' that Porsche will never make. I don't really want +2 seating, but I do want a great performing mid engines daily driver put together with a high level of quality.
The Evora is so close (close enough that I'd really love one). Build quality isn't at Porsche/Mclaren levels, but the layout, size, performance, ride and pretty much everything else is there. Oh, the engine is a minus, being a boggo v6 from Toyota.
If wishes were dreams and all that, buy I'd have been far more excited by a Cayman sized Mclaren, with relatively small tyres, and the great ride the interconnected dampers give. Lighter, less power (so similar power to weight). P1esque looks.
I suppose what I wanted more than anything was Mclaren creating the 'Cayman at 911 level' that Porsche will never make. I don't really want +2 seating, but I do want a great performing mid engines daily driver put together with a high level of quality.
The Evora is so close (close enough that I'd really love one). Build quality isn't at Porsche/Mclaren levels, but the layout, size, performance, ride and pretty much everything else is there. Oh, the engine is a minus, being a boggo v6 from Toyota.
If wishes were dreams and all that, buy I'd have been far more excited by a Cayman sized Mclaren, with relatively small tyres, and the great ride the interconnected dampers give. Lighter, less power (so similar power to weight). P1esque looks.
I see McLaren's plan to use ALL the 3 digit numbers not already used on cars is steaming ahead well
Seriously tho - I don't see a McLaren all that often and when I do I have NO f
kING IDEA what it was
Are McLaren using TVR (and Noble and some other companies we could mention)'s marketting strat. of keeing sales going by persistantly guilting the same people into buying "newer and faster" models/sub-models?
Got an MP4/12C - thanks for beta testing the car with the long name
Got a P1 - the 'new thing' - well there's a newer one already, the GTR - what? You thought a $1m was going to keep it exclusive? It IS - only you can buy the new one too and it's not road legal so...
Hello - yes - the P2? Oh course...
Seriously tho - I don't see a McLaren all that often and when I do I have NO f
kING IDEA what it was Are McLaren using TVR (and Noble and some other companies we could mention)'s marketting strat. of keeing sales going by persistantly guilting the same people into buying "newer and faster" models/sub-models?
Got an MP4/12C - thanks for beta testing the car with the long name
Got a P1 - the 'new thing' - well there's a newer one already, the GTR - what? You thought a $1m was going to keep it exclusive? It IS - only you can buy the new one too and it's not road legal so...
Hello - yes - the P2? Oh course...
anniesdad said:
In the 570S EVO video Henry Catchpole hints at a 540C coming in the near future. Maybe this will be smaller than the 650S, must admit I'm surprised this thing is bigger! 
There's already a McLaren 625C for the Asian market. It has softer suspension to suit regional tastes and a detuned (slightly) engine to reduce the tax burden of the car. In the video, the 540C is mentioned which will be similar, and probably not available in the UK.
danp said:
EpsomJames said:
Are those figures all including wing mirrors? If without then the 650/570 seems extremely wide, if with mirrors then the 991 is very narrow.
All excluding mirrors.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff