RE: McLaren - New York 2015
Discussion
Daston said:
Since when has 1,300kg been considered as "light weight".
Since safety and emissions specs came in, and along with most people wanting creature comforts and more tech in their car. Keep up at the back, 1995 doesn't want you any more. 1330kgs for a 570bhp 2 seater car with air con, sat nav, stereo etc, plenty of air bags, safety features etc is very light.
British Beef said:
How about an old school variant that does with a manual gearbox and a nice simple NA V12 engine, no ABS or traction control......
That would really float my boat, if I was in a position to dump £200k in a sports car!!!!
You do realise there's a reason why manufacturers aren't selling these any more, don't you? That would really float my boat, if I was in a position to dump £200k in a sports car!!!!
TP321 said:
The 570s just allows Mclaren to sell the 12c/650s/570s in the price segment it should have always been - approx £150k. If you start to go north of that, you need a product that has the design flair and attention to detail of the Italians. Mclaren is not yet ready for that, so this is the car that will save them. However, now not only the 12C customers are complaining, but the 650s customers as well!
TP321, I am starting to wonder what agenda you are working too. Are you such a Ferrari fan that you just cannot stomach the fact that McLaren are playing in their sandpit?? Your statements come across as if you have some kind of insight into McLaren's marketing strategy and the fact that they have got things wrong so far, what do you base these assumptions on?If you are so convinced that McLaren have got it wrong how do you account for the sales they have won and the fact that they have built such a great fan base in such a short time. I suggest you take your opinions to www.mclarenlife.com and see what the buyers of these cars, many of whom are also Ferrari owners have to say.
Now I am not here to suppress your opinion, but your statements just seem to ignore the facts
Ferrari has been selling road cars for over 60 years, McLaren for 4 excluding the F1 yet they are able to stand comparison and take sales from Ferrari.
Should you not just be happy that as consumers we now have a choice?
Oh and before you accuse me of being a Mclaren fan boy please note that I have followed Ferrari for over 30 years. I have written my review of the 458 on here and have prased it highly, I am just not a fan of its styling, my money will go on a 650s
Nice to see their originally planned range completed 
As a side note, am I the only one who finds their model naming scheme rather odd? I'm a numbers geek, and I can only just about remember 540C, 570S, 650S, 675LT, MP4-12C and P1 (plus whatever else will arrive in the future!); so surely there's a snappier naming scheme that would help people remember which Mclaren they just saw or read about and therefore raise brand awareness? Their current effort seems like an in-house pre-release model coding scheme, rather than something actually intended to be taken to the market. Did anyone ever think of perhaps naming the cars?...
As a side note, am I the only one who finds their model naming scheme rather odd? I'm a numbers geek, and I can only just about remember 540C, 570S, 650S, 675LT, MP4-12C and P1 (plus whatever else will arrive in the future!); so surely there's a snappier naming scheme that would help people remember which Mclaren they just saw or read about and therefore raise brand awareness? Their current effort seems like an in-house pre-release model coding scheme, rather than something actually intended to be taken to the market. Did anyone ever think of perhaps naming the cars?...
E65Ross said:
Daston said:
Since when has 1,300kg been considered as "light weight".
Since safety and emissions specs came in, and along with most people wanting creature comforts and more tech in their car. Keep up at the back, 1995 doesn't want you any more. 1330kgs for a 570bhp 2 seater car with air con, sat nav, stereo etc, plenty of air bags, safety features etc is very light.
It's lighter than a 1 series BMW, not a lot more than a Fiesta/Clio/Polo etc hot hatch. The Ferrari F40 was about 1100kg with lots of carbon fibre, that was a 200mph car, like the 570S and Ferrari 488 are these days. As said above, add NCAP level safety kit and all the toys to that and yes 1300kg is lightweight now.
RobM77 said:
Did anyone ever think of perhaps naming the cars?...
Well ... McLaren never had a name for their cars. Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Automotive
Number One:
The 1970 M6 GT. Bloody hell if there ever was a mental car that would slash everything on the 1970 roads. I bet even Lamborghini swallowed their dreams after having seen this
Nicked from http://cars.mclaren.com/home/models_link/M6GT.html >
"Light, low, loud and unbelievable quick, Bruce used a prototype M6GT, registered OBH 500H, on his commute to work and to attend race meetings. Its Bartz-tuned Chevrolet engine ensured sparkling performance – with an estimated top speed of 165mph and a zero to 100mph time of eight seconds."
Having said that. Ferrari does not bother about names too.
E65Ross said:
Daston said:
Since when has 1,300kg been considered as "light weight".
Since safety and emissions specs came in, and along with most people wanting creature comforts and more tech in their car. Keep up at the back, 1995 doesn't want you any more. 1330kgs for a 570bhp 2 seater car with air con, sat nav, stereo etc, plenty of air bags, safety features etc is very light.
mrclav said:
GRBF430F1 said:
I hope the 570S doesn't become like the Porsche Boxster and be labelled the poor mans 911.
Lets just call it the baby Mac
Agreed. Anyone who can afford a car costing six figures can hardly be described as poor! Lets just call it the baby Mac
dinkel said:
Well ... McLaren never had a name for their cars.
Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Automotive
Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Automotive
I realise that, but that's for the same reason as Dallara, Reynard, Lola, Van Diemen etc - they sell to other geeks who know their F302s from their F301s. Surely when marketing a car to the general public, a less cryptic naming system would be a good idea (e.g. Lotus 111 = Lotus Elise), or is that the whole point, to make them stand out and seem like a racing car manufacturer in a market full of road cars with proper names? 
redroadster said:
Bit confusing making the cheaper car bigger than the 650s you could argue its lower in price because it's smaller and slower but there's hardly any differance in acceleration and it's bigger just seems a strange thing to do I would buy this and keep change for another car !
It's not as powerful, doesn't have movable aero (I think) and doesn't have the trick suspension, it doesn't have as much power..... Size doesnt always relate to price. An Audi R8 is smaller than an A6....
Rich_W said:
For the 355, 458 and 575
Does the 3, 4 and 5 refer to engine capacity?
It's complicated, they changed the system a few times http://365daytonafan.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/ive-be...Does the 3, 4 and 5 refer to engine capacity?
E65Ross said:
It's not as powerful, doesn't have movable aero (I think) and doesn't have the trick suspension, it doesn't have as much power.....
Size doesnt always relate to price. An Audi R8 is smaller than an A6....
Yes but my example is more like comparing an a4 to an a6 where it would not make sense for the a4 to be bigger but cheaper than ia6 after all the mcclarens are just too close as models in a range not enough to separate them and active aero on normals roads at most reasonable speeds just won't make a differance unless you are tracking them same with performance figues they are just too close.Size doesnt always relate to price. An Audi R8 is smaller than an A6....
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