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Insignia was only just passed the OP's car (and was passing at a decent speed, not crawling or holding people up) when the GTR appears up his arse. GTR doesn't give Insignia anywhere near enough time to check mirrors/blind spot and move out.
As with many others here, I'm shocked that people would defend the GTR driver. Seriously.
As with many others here, I'm shocked that people would defend the GTR driver. Seriously.
ORD said:
Imagine that you are in the Insignia. You complete the overtake. You are thinking about pulling back to the left. You see two cars racing with each other and approaching you at a speed differential of what, say, 50mph?
I expect that he thought that they were going to undertake him and did not want to move and risk them panicking, swerving around and causing an accident. If another car is driving very dangerously, it is understandable that sane drivers will think "I will just carry on as I am and let them go around me" rather than changing the situation.
Exactly this! I would probably have done the same in the situation. When other people are unpredictable, be predictable.I expect that he thought that they were going to undertake him and did not want to move and risk them panicking, swerving around and causing an accident. If another car is driving very dangerously, it is understandable that sane drivers will think "I will just carry on as I am and let them go around me" rather than changing the situation.
wc98 said:
cannot help but think there is a few miles of history there not on camera .
I can't understand why you might think that judging by the closing speed and the distance when they come into frame. You don't sit behind someone who is clearly in the way (if an indicated 80 in the outside lane qualifies) then back off and create a 20+ closing speed to try to to ram them out of the way.
Just get the undertake done if you must and get on with your day but there's no defence for getting so close or the brake test.
zarjaz1991 said:
tuffer said:
There is no excuse for the actions of the GTR driver, end of story. Whilst outside lane man may be a bit of a tit he was not doing anything dangerous.
Yes he was.Driving in such an ignorant, selfish manner causes other drivers to get frustrated, which is a dangerous situation.
I accept people should control their frustration properly, but far better if stupid ignorant pillocks don't cause such frustration in the first place by treating driving a car in the same way you'd treat getting an a bus.
Neither the idiot in lane 3 nor the plank who almost hit his rear end are fit to be driving on motorways at all.
tty driving on the internet?It's little wonder we have BRAKE and falling speed limits and cameras everywhere when we have people condoning such dangerous driving as is shown in this video. Someone needs to stand up against such dangerous and bullying behaviour which shouldn't be approved of by people who are supposed to be genuine car and driving enthusiasts.
Before you change lanes on a motorway you need to be absolutely sure it's safe to do so. A lot of accidents occur when someone in lane 3 moves in as someone in lane 1 is moving out into the same space. The Insignia driver needed a few seconds to see the Zafira had moved in and wasn't going to move out again. I've also seen people in the OP's position following someone in lane 2 speed up as that person has moved over and start gaining on lane 3 traffic that's just overtaken them.
A rearview camera may have shown the Audi and Nissan drivers were weaving in and out of traffic passing other people on the inside before they caught up with the Insignia driver, hence his unwillingness to move over because he knew they were likely to go for an overtake on the inside as he tried to.
When dangerous driving and road rage is shown in videos I think some people believe they look like hard men backing the aggressor against the victim. It's a bit like joining in with the bullies in the school playground to gang up on someone.
Before you change lanes on a motorway you need to be absolutely sure it's safe to do so. A lot of accidents occur when someone in lane 3 moves in as someone in lane 1 is moving out into the same space. The Insignia driver needed a few seconds to see the Zafira had moved in and wasn't going to move out again. I've also seen people in the OP's position following someone in lane 2 speed up as that person has moved over and start gaining on lane 3 traffic that's just overtaken them.
A rearview camera may have shown the Audi and Nissan drivers were weaving in and out of traffic passing other people on the inside before they caught up with the Insignia driver, hence his unwillingness to move over because he knew they were likely to go for an overtake on the inside as he tried to.
When dangerous driving and road rage is shown in videos I think some people believe they look like hard men backing the aggressor against the victim. It's a bit like joining in with the bullies in the school playground to gang up on someone.
tuffer said:
So, using your logic anyone driving a slow moving vehicle on the public highway is in fact driving dangerously.
No, anyone driving as inconsiderately as that is driving dangerously.Seriously, they just need to follow the rules of the road. It's not hard. If they can't do that, take the bus.
GTR driver can't drive. A good driver doesn't allow annoyances to get to him so much. If he approached more reasonably the Vauxhall would have probably moved over. If not then they could perform the undertake.
Trying to ram him our of lane 3 then proceed to do a brake test is just sheer retardedness.
This guy went full retard.
Trying to ram him our of lane 3 then proceed to do a brake test is just sheer retardedness.
This guy went full retard.
charltjr said:
As it completes the manoeuvre into lane 1 the Zafira puts its right indicator on. Insignia quite reasonably stays in lane 3 given the car in lane 1 is signalling to move out.
Good spot I just noticed that.The Zafira driver was caught out by the rubbish indicator system that was in fashion at the time. He thought he had fully applied the left hand indicator but had only 'tapped' it for the three flashes so when he went to cancel it by the only method possible which is applying the right hand 'tap' he brought on the three flashes right.
Just one of the reasons why indicator systems like that are a complete liability.
Quite aside from anything else which makes the Insig driver wholly without fault here (and there are many, many things) the only escape lane the GTR has as he approaches the Insig is lane 2. Why oh why are there people on here suggesting that the Insig should fill that escape? Are you all bananas?
Sensibleboy said:
As soon as the insignia goes past the camera car I wouldn't have moved left either as it's dangerous to manoeuvre alongside another car doing a lane change. It would have been in his blind spot too.
Maybe he was about to move left afterwards but got distracted by the Nissan up his arse.
This ^Maybe he was about to move left afterwards but got distracted by the Nissan up his arse.
There is four seconds between the Zafira moving to L1 to the tit in the Nissan been up his chuff. If the Insigna driver had seen the Nissan coming, and lets face it, he was probably going a lot quicker before he passed the camera car, the Insignia driver could well of been too wary of moving over - he couldnt see his indicators as he was that close and guessed he was going to be prize tit
To those who think the Insignia driver is the primary tit for being in lane 3 unnecessarily, did you not notice the GT-R moves back into lane 3 immediately after undertaking?
And for those ignoring the OP and saying the Insignia should have pulled into the middle lane after overtaking the OP: you just don't know what was appropriate. All dashcams seem to have a wide-angle and that always makes distances appear greater than they really are. (It's called extension distortion, which you know all about re the door-mirror phenomenon - "objects are closer than they appear", etc).
And for those ignoring the OP and saying the Insignia should have pulled into the middle lane after overtaking the OP: you just don't know what was appropriate. All dashcams seem to have a wide-angle and that always makes distances appear greater than they really are. (It's called extension distortion, which you know all about re the door-mirror phenomenon - "objects are closer than they appear", etc).
Anyone suggesting the Insignia driver is in the wrong is just as bad as the GTR driver.
The speed showed 69mph in the camera car so the insignia driver was likely doing an indicated 70-75mph perfectly reasonable and safe. If he's like me i wouldn't have go into lane 2 until i had cleared the blue people carrier who had just moved into lane 1. Whether its standard practice or not i wait until i've cleared that car in case they decide to move into lane 2 at the same time as me. I've seen accidents happen this way.
The GTR was speeding, bullying and driving dangerously, could have been responsible for a serious accident and therefore should be reported and dealt with accordingly. You should report the footage because there is a likelyhood the insignia driver reported the incident and video evidence will help a prosecution.
He did nothing wrong staying in that lane, he wasn't hogging it but he held ground as i would if someone got that close, as it develops does he appear to brake test the insignia before shooting off too? I would have let him make up his mind judging by his erratic behaviour, i would have indicated left once i'd past the people carrier and moved over after a second or 2.
The speed showed 69mph in the camera car so the insignia driver was likely doing an indicated 70-75mph perfectly reasonable and safe. If he's like me i wouldn't have go into lane 2 until i had cleared the blue people carrier who had just moved into lane 1. Whether its standard practice or not i wait until i've cleared that car in case they decide to move into lane 2 at the same time as me. I've seen accidents happen this way.
The GTR was speeding, bullying and driving dangerously, could have been responsible for a serious accident and therefore should be reported and dealt with accordingly. You should report the footage because there is a likelyhood the insignia driver reported the incident and video evidence will help a prosecution.
He did nothing wrong staying in that lane, he wasn't hogging it but he held ground as i would if someone got that close, as it develops does he appear to brake test the insignia before shooting off too? I would have let him make up his mind judging by his erratic behaviour, i would have indicated left once i'd past the people carrier and moved over after a second or 2.
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