RE: VW Golf R: PH Fleet
Discussion
SuperchargedVR6 said:
£600 won't get you anywhere near the same 20% gains on the other cars.
http://store.rebellionautomotive.co.uk/a-cla-gla-45amg-ituning-system/360 to 420 bhp
450 to 580 Nm
Whether this kind of power actually makes sense on the road is a different question.
I am fairly sure that the Merc engine will last longer at 420 bhp than the Golf R's EA888 at 380 bhp, apparently the former was designed to handle up to 500 bhp with stock internals.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
No idea and I suspect the manufacturer's warranty will be null and void also. The temptation will be too much to resist for some and when they realise (too late) just how fragile the turbo is on this car, it will all end in tears. The R can actually make 400hp, but not for long.
Intesting..... most late Evo's on MLR are at 400/400 or thereabouts (Stage 1) and they hardly ever pop at that level of tune. chris watton said:
Pixelpeep7r said:
Just to illustrate how capable the R is..
with a quick trip to revo and nothing more than a software update the Golf will do 3.7 seconds to 60 and a 0-100MPH time of 9 seconds.
thats faster 0-100 than a 2012 Ferrari California 30 F1 4.3l V8 and AS quick as a Porsche Panamera Turbo 4.8 V8
thats also a second quicker than the A45 AMG, along with a £7000 saving and better ride.
thats the facts I'm bringing to the table to support my opinion that the golf is quite amazing considering the price, comfort and practicality
What a strange post!with a quick trip to revo and nothing more than a software update the Golf will do 3.7 seconds to 60 and a 0-100MPH time of 9 seconds.
thats faster 0-100 than a 2012 Ferrari California 30 F1 4.3l V8 and AS quick as a Porsche Panamera Turbo 4.8 V8
thats also a second quicker than the A45 AMG, along with a £7000 saving and better ride.
thats the facts I'm bringing to the table to support my opinion that the golf is quite amazing considering the price, comfort and practicality
I'd wager that almost ANY car can achieve those figures with enough money thrown at them! I know of humble Mini's with well over 300bhp, hell, even a Fiat 500 can have that much, and both examples are much lighter than the Golf!
Tell me, what would the result be if the Porsche or Ferrari you mention are afforded the same upgrades? Also, what happens when you show the Golf a real corner, will its limitations be shown?
Or are you, like many others only interested is silly point and squirt situations to state your case? If that is so, then I know of a few 40 year old Capri's that embarrass your chipped Golf.
a 'humble mini' with nothing more than a £400 software upgrade would not make 300bhp. you'd be lucky to get half that and then you'd be chucking a serious lump of cash at it.
of course you can spend £100k on cars modifying them but the point i was trying to make is the golf r as it stands with all the original bits and just a software tweak changes the game completely.
if you do it within the warranty period then you need your head tested (same with if its leased) i was just trying to show its potential with all the bits from the factory still intact.
of course I'm only interested in point and squirt, its all the car spends 99% of its time doing
Yep. The advantage of the engine is that has everything in place to make big power cheaply. On the older engine in the Mk6, you'd need an uprated fuel pump which was quite an expensive part. As such, a remap would not give you the gain you would get in today's Mk7.
Perhaps don't accuse people of being strange and then come out with Max Power magazine knowledge
Perhaps don't accuse people of being strange and then come out with Max Power magazine knowledge
EricE said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
£600 won't get you anywhere near the same 20% gains on the other cars.
http://store.rebellionautomotive.co.uk/a-cla-gla-45amg-ituning-system/360 to 420 bhp
450 to 580 Nm
Whether this kind of power actually makes sense on the road is a different question.
I am fairly sure that the Merc engine will last longer at 420 bhp than the Golf R's EA888 at 380 bhp, apparently the former was designed to handle up to 500 bhp with stock internals.
chris watton said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
No idea and I suspect the manufacturer's warranty will be null and void also. The temptation will be too much to resist for some and when they realise (too late) just how fragile the turbo is on this car, it will all end in tears. The R can actually make 400hp, but not for long.
That's all well and good, but does it have the dynamics to handle 400bhp - or are we talking point and squirt drag racing?Not many German performance cars will give you the full beans through the turns because the steering angle sensor will cut the ESP / TC programs in like an anvil, and as we know, it's never fully off either. So 400hp in a straight line and what ever it decides to give the driver round the corners, so I'd say no, it wouldn't affect the dynamics.
I don't see the point of trying to squeeze 400hp out of a 2 litre engine, why not just buy something that was designed to make decent power in the first place? For example a chipped RS6: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...
Trouble is most of the people who "buy" the Golf cannot actually afford the original 30k purchase price and if they could, they would have many more choices including (almost) a GTR. Everything is engineered down to a price/HP. You can spend thousands trying to squeeze more and more power out of something that was designed for a different purpose. It's easy to make a fast car go a bit faster and a £600 remap does not make the Golf a supercar.
Trouble is most of the people who "buy" the Golf cannot actually afford the original 30k purchase price and if they could, they would have many more choices including (almost) a GTR. Everything is engineered down to a price/HP. You can spend thousands trying to squeeze more and more power out of something that was designed for a different purpose. It's easy to make a fast car go a bit faster and a £600 remap does not make the Golf a supercar.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 21st April 18:53
Just a brief interlude to get things back on topic i.e. away from the non topic related comments of:
"All Golf R owners are knobs"
and
"Everyone got one on a cheap lease coz they cant afford to actually buy one".
I find it to be a hugely capable car, I don't know how it compares to the competition i.e. S3 / A45 AMG etc. The trump cards, statistics etc are all very good but we don't drive on paper. IMO it's more than just a 'point and squirt' car (I've driven point and squirt cars, and this isn't one of those).
It's quite a niche product in the VW lineup IMO, it's more than you really need in a grocery getter, as a GTI offers probably 7/10 of the performance for less money, but it comes down to whether you want the top iteration of a Golf, or are happy with the GTI which is fantastic already. I didn't really have an audition list, as I had my heart set on a GTD but was made a cracking offer on a showroom car that it would have been daft to turn down (yes, I'm one of the knobs that actually bought one rather than leased it).
One last thing regarding fuel economy - I've found the R to be quite sensitive to ambient temperature in terms of fuel economy. In the last few weeks since the temperature has been above 10 degrees, it's entirely possible to get a half decent 36-38mpg on a drive that would normally return 27mpg during colder months. The underlying thing here is that those quibbling about it not achieving the quoted 40mpg - that's under lab conditions and if fuel economy is that important, surely a GTI / GTD is a better idea.
It's been a very entertaining thread, but it seems the car is of less importance than discussing the type of people driving them. Such is life though.
"All Golf R owners are knobs"
and
"Everyone got one on a cheap lease coz they cant afford to actually buy one".
I find it to be a hugely capable car, I don't know how it compares to the competition i.e. S3 / A45 AMG etc. The trump cards, statistics etc are all very good but we don't drive on paper. IMO it's more than just a 'point and squirt' car (I've driven point and squirt cars, and this isn't one of those).
It's quite a niche product in the VW lineup IMO, it's more than you really need in a grocery getter, as a GTI offers probably 7/10 of the performance for less money, but it comes down to whether you want the top iteration of a Golf, or are happy with the GTI which is fantastic already. I didn't really have an audition list, as I had my heart set on a GTD but was made a cracking offer on a showroom car that it would have been daft to turn down (yes, I'm one of the knobs that actually bought one rather than leased it).
One last thing regarding fuel economy - I've found the R to be quite sensitive to ambient temperature in terms of fuel economy. In the last few weeks since the temperature has been above 10 degrees, it's entirely possible to get a half decent 36-38mpg on a drive that would normally return 27mpg during colder months. The underlying thing here is that those quibbling about it not achieving the quoted 40mpg - that's under lab conditions and if fuel economy is that important, surely a GTI / GTD is a better idea.
It's been a very entertaining thread, but it seems the car is of less importance than discussing the type of people driving them. Such is life though.
R fan: <ridiculous claim>
R non-fan: "that's b
ks, and you're a tt"
R fan: "fk you, banger driving !"
R non-fan: (furious) "these cars are st because of <frantically obtained reasons to support argument> and everyone that likes them is a dick!"
R owner: "actually they are quite good and i do resent that a bit, and you're both a bit wrong in at least some of what you say"
R fan: "fk you!"
R non-fan: "fk you!"
R owner: "this is nice"
[angry exchange continues, owner leaves]
it's not the best narrative arc, and seeing it develop for the thousandth time doesn't give it any extra depths. It's just tt tennis for the most part.
R non-fan: "that's b
ks, and you're a tt"R fan: "f
k you, banger driving !"R non-fan: (furious) "these cars are s
t because of <frantically obtained reasons to support argument> and everyone that likes them is a dick!"R owner: "actually they are quite good and i do resent that a bit, and you're both a bit wrong in at least some of what you say"
R fan: "f
k you!"R non-fan: "f
k you!"R owner: "this is nice"
[angry exchange continues, owner leaves]
it's not the best narrative arc, and seeing it develop for the thousandth time doesn't give it any extra depths. It's just t
t tennis for the most part. wormus said:
I don't see the point of trying to squeeze 400hp out of a 2 litre engine, why not just buy something that was designed to make decent power in the first place? For example a chipped RS6: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...
Ok, lets start with the fact that you are suggesting that someone who wants to by a brand new performance hatchback that is reasonable to tax & insure along with economy which will see you at least in the mid 20's mpg around town should instead by a 7 year old car that has had 5 previous owners, covered over 40,000 miles, cost you £25 a day to drive into london and barely return 15mpg ?Personally, i choose a car based on many things. Size of engine and tunability are not factors that were important to me. At the time of getting the car there wasn't any modifications available for it.
The plus side is i now have a car that does everything i want it to and for a small fee i can have my cake AND eat it.
wormus said:
Trouble is most of the people who "buy" the Golf cannot actually afford the original 30k purchase price and if they could, they would have many more choices including (almost) a GTR. Everything is engineered down to a price/HP.
Wow. people have been skating around that statement for a while but no one has been quite as idiotic as to say it out loud. Until now.Where are your 'facts' to support that statement? have you checked each of the bank statements of every person that has leased a golf-r ? have you checked even one?
How about 'golf-r drivers have them because they wanted one, it was right for them' ?
wormus said:
You can spend thousands trying to squeeze more and more power out of something that was designed for a different purpose. It's easy to make a fast car go a bit faster and a £600 remap does not make the Golf a supercar.
I never suggested it did. However a £600 remap will make the golf faster off the line than a fair few supercars and for some, who like to have 5 doors, leg room and reasonable fuel usage it makes the deal that much sweeter.I don't race round tracks, i don't go for mountain drives, i don't even go too fast on motorways.I don't want drama and massive fuel bills. I regularly take my elderly inlaws out in the car so it has to be practical. The occasional traffic light GP when i am on my own puts a smile on my face and that is pretty much every box ticked.
wormus said:
I don't see the point of trying to squeeze 400hp out of a 2 litre engine, why not just buy something that was designed to make decent power in the first place? For example a chipped RS6: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...
Trouble is most of the people who "buy" the Golf cannot actually afford the original 30k purchase price and if they could, they would have many more choices including (almost) a GTR. Everything is engineered down to a price/HP. You can spend thousands trying to squeeze more and more power out of something that was designed for a different purpose. It's easy to make a fast car go a bit faster and a £600 remap does not make the Golf a supercar.
Every time someone asks "What new car should I buy?" someone comes out of the woodwork and says "But you could have an 8 year old car with no warranty that cost £70K when it was new".Trouble is most of the people who "buy" the Golf cannot actually afford the original 30k purchase price and if they could, they would have many more choices including (almost) a GTR. Everything is engineered down to a price/HP. You can spend thousands trying to squeeze more and more power out of something that was designed for a different purpose. It's easy to make a fast car go a bit faster and a £600 remap does not make the Golf a supercar.
Edited by wormus on Tuesday 21st April 18:53
I don't get it tbh, if that's what you want then fine, buy one, but it's a bit weird using it as some kind of stick to beat someone with over their own choice.
Equally buy or lease who really cares? If it's £250/month or whatever people have paid and they don't have to anything other than service it and feed it fuel then happy days if that's what works for them.
I don't really know why I'm even replying, people just don't seem to get that everyone is different and not everyone has the same likes, dislikes, and priorities.
Edited by bhstewie on Tuesday 21st April 20:09
hstewie on Tuesday 21st April 20:09EricE said:
I am fairly sure that the Merc engine will last longer at 420 bhp than the Golf R's EA888 at 380 bhp, apparently the former was designed to handle up to 500 bhp with stock internals.
At least the ones that don't blow up, and A45 engines did a lot of blowing up last year...longbow said:
Intesting..... most late Evo's on MLR are at 400/400 or thereabouts (Stage 1) and they hardly ever pop at that level of tune.
Engines don't but transmissions and diff pins do, and Evo Xs are starting to show timing chain stretch at relatively low miles.I do hope the Golf R owners intending on outrunning the Millennium Falcon for the price of a packet of Wotsits aren't on lease deals. I remember a Leon Cupra owner who was on a lease around 10 years ago, and he had the car Revo chipped and the inevitable engine implosion happened. The dealer discovered the chipping, reported to the finance company and he was presented with a demand to settle all outstanding finance, around £10k, immediately, on top of having to pay for a new engine as he had no warranty any more.
Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 21st April 20:27
Pixelpeep7r said:
wormus said:
Trouble is most of the people who "buy" the Golf cannot actually afford the original 30k purchase price and if they could, they would have many more choices including (almost) a GTR. Everything is engineered down to a price/HP.
Wow. people have been skating around that statement for a while but no one has been quite as idiotic as to say it out loud. Until now.Where are your 'facts' to support that statement? have you checked each of the bank statements of every person that has leased a golf-r ? have you checked even one?
I don't know which is more nauseating to be honest. I should think the former if you tend to lease/finance things and the latter if by whatever turn of circumstances you are able and prefer to accumulate money before spending it.
Can I just go out on a limb here - for the first time ever on PH - and confirm that I can't afford to buy a Golf R, so I'm officially poorer than everyone else and you can all look down at me when I'm grinning in it. (if it ever actually f
king arrives)As you all were...
theboss said:
I love this about PH. You always get a certain crowd sneering about the fact that most people can't really afford to buy their cars, and then there's always a counterargument (this isn't aimed at you Pixepleep7r) that actually everyone who leases or PCPs sits on a cash pile earning far more interest than they'll ever pay...
I don't know which is more nauseating to be honest. I should think the former if you tend to lease/finance things and the latter if by whatever turn of circumstances you are able and prefer to accumulate money before spending it.
Can I just go out on a limb here - for the first time ever on PH - and confirm that I can't afford to buy a Golf R, so I'm officially poorer than everyone else and you can all look down at me when I'm grinning in it. (if it ever actually fking arrives)
As you all were...
I can't afford a Golf R either (in the sense that I would have to be a millionaire to spend that kind of money on a shopping car).I don't know which is more nauseating to be honest. I should think the former if you tend to lease/finance things and the latter if by whatever turn of circumstances you are able and prefer to accumulate money before spending it.
Can I just go out on a limb here - for the first time ever on PH - and confirm that I can't afford to buy a Golf R, so I'm officially poorer than everyone else and you can all look down at me when I'm grinning in it. (if it ever actually f
king arrives)As you all were...
Light fuse.
Stand back.
Blown2CV said:
R fan: <ridiculous claim>
R non-fan: "that's bks, and you're a tt"
R fan: "fk you, banger driving !"
R non-fan: (furious) "these cars are st because of <frantically obtained reasons to support argument> and everyone that likes them is a dick!"
R owner: "actually they are quite good and i do resent that a bit, and you're both a bit wrong in at least some of what you say"
R fan: "fk you!"
R non-fan: "fk you!"
R owner: "this is nice"
[angry exchange continues, owner leaves]
it's not the best narrative arc, and seeing it develop for the thousandth time doesn't give it any extra depths. It's just tt tennis for the most part.
R non-fan: "that's b
ks, and you're a tt"R fan: "f
k you, banger driving !"R non-fan: (furious) "these cars are s
t because of <frantically obtained reasons to support argument> and everyone that likes them is a dick!"R owner: "actually they are quite good and i do resent that a bit, and you're both a bit wrong in at least some of what you say"
R fan: "f
k you!"R non-fan: "f
k you!"R owner: "this is nice"
[angry exchange continues, owner leaves]
it's not the best narrative arc, and seeing it develop for the thousandth time doesn't give it any extra depths. It's just t
t tennis for the most part. ORD said:
I can't afford a Golf R either (in the sense that I would have to be a millionaire to spend that kind of money on a shopping car).
Light fuse.
Stand back.
Light fuse.
Stand back.
I'd almost forgotten I'd ordered mine, but I'm sure I can find a decent use for it. Providing the nasty VWFS people don't come and take it away citing unaffordability.theboss said:
I'd almost forgotten I'd ordered mine, but I'm sure I can find a decent use for it. Providing the nasty VWFS people don't come and take it away citing unaffordability.Person obtains loan. Lies by saying he can afford it.
Wonga doesn't check whether he really can.
Person gets to keep the money.
Hmmm.
Maybe you'll get a free car if you turn out to be outrageously poor (you'll also have to leave PH, though, as we all run BP or GE or Coca-Cola).
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