Blasphemy!: Revered driver's cars that you just don't get.

[Devil2575]

RobM77 said:

What a load of bks. The driving pleasure of a car is not proportional to how much it costs, so why should a person on a six figure salary scrimp and save and go without food and central heating to buy their dream car, when it's available for £30k and with the change they can still afford to heat their house and go on holiday? Why would spending £100k on their car satisfy their needs any more than £30k does?! Not only that, but if you're married or living with a partner it's rather selfish to deprive your other half of a decent life just so you can indulge in your passion for cars.

Before you ask, I don't earn a six figure salary, but I have been in the position in the past where I spent 90% of my income on cars. I now earn a fair bit more and spend less of a proportion on cars, but it's roughly the same amount in absolute terms, because my love of cars is not related to how expensive they are, I can get all I want for my current expenditure and scrimping and saving would make no difference at all.

It's not bks at all, although if you have a thing about wanting to be the biggest enthusaist then I can see why you're upset by it

The point is it's easy to spend a lot on cars and have a "fleet" to cover all eventualities when money is no object. I'm sure there are some real enthusiasts out there who are so rich that they can have whatever cars they want and never have to compromise any other space of their lives but they are few and far between i'm sure. Amongst the rest of us though the ultra enthusiasts are the ones who made the biggest sacrifices just to get the car they want. Those who are prepared to make to give up the most just to endulge their love of cars. You're right, depriving your family of things because of your passion is selfish and not a good thing. What you're talking about is having a balance betweem your hobby and your family, which is what normal people do. However ulta enthusiasts aren't normal.

I guess I could sum up by saying that when posters are trying to outdo each other about who is the biggest enthusiast they should remember that getting to the top of this tree is not something to aspire too ant more than anyone should aspire to being the biggest Starwars fan.

[RobM77]

Devil2575 said:

RobM77 said:

What a load of bks. The driving pleasure of a car is not proportional to how much it costs, so why should a person on a six figure salary scrimp and save and go without food and central heating to buy their dream car, when it's available for £30k and with the change they can still afford to heat their house and go on holiday? Why would spending £100k on their car satisfy their needs any more than £30k does?! Not only that, but if you're married or living with a partner it's rather selfish to deprive your other half of a decent life just so you can indulge in your passion for cars.

Before you ask, I don't earn a six figure salary, but I have been in the position in the past where I spent 90% of my income on cars. I now earn a fair bit more and spend less of a proportion on cars, but it's roughly the same amount in absolute terms, because my love of cars is not related to how expensive they are, I can get all I want for my current expenditure and scrimping and saving would make no difference at all.

It's not bks at all, although if you have a thing about wanting to be the biggest enthusaist then I can see why you're upset by it

The point is it's easy to spend a lot on cars and have a "fleet" to cover all eventualities when money is no object. I'm sure there are some real enthusiasts out there who are so rich that they can have whatever cars they want and never have to compromise any other space of their lives but they are few and far between i'm sure. Amongst the rest of us though the ultra enthusiasts are the ones who made the biggest sacrifices just to get the car they want. Those who are prepared to make to give up the most just to endulge their love of cars. You're right, depriving your family of things because of your passion is selfish and not a good thing. What you're talking about is having a balance betweem your hobby and your family, which is what normal people do. However ulta enthusiasts aren't normal.

I guess I could sum up by saying that when posters are trying to outdo each other about who is the biggest enthusiast they should remember that getting to the top of this tree is not something to aspire too ant more than anyone should aspire to being the biggest Starwars fan.

No, sorry, that's just utter nonsense and I'm sure you know it and are just trolling? How much of an enthusiast you are is not and never will be proportional to how much you've spent on cars or how many cars you've got. I know guys who devote their lives to their car clubs, but if that car club is for Austin 7s, Minis or MG T types, then once they've got one (or two or three!) in their ideal spec, why would owning 10 of them make them more of an enthuiast than owning 1 or 2?!

[anonymous-user]

I found the attention from driving something perceived as 'flash' annoyed me. I also found having a car with tremendous ability which is barely touched in road use to be an issue. Therefore I have ended up tinkering rather than doing lots of driving.

Knowing myself better now I would only ever buy an extremely quick car if there was an regular outlet to properly extend it i.e. the track. I can really see the appeal of something like a 911 these days, previously I would have laughed at the idea. However, a Van Diemen with combined towing /pick-up/family plus a trailer then including a good 911 would be my bet if I was contemplating that sort of money.

The more time I spent on the track the less interested I was in going fast on the road anyway. I'd probably end up selling the 911 and driving the bus full time

[simonrockman]

epom said:

Doesn't get the Carrera GT ? I've never driven one of course, but its my dream supercar. I've had loads of mk2 golfs, loved em all especially the 16v's. Horses for courses.

I have driven a Carrera GT and I don't get it. It's too unwieldy , the clutch is scary and the thought that a minor scrape is going to cost a fortune is intimidating. I did 800 miles in one and never felt anything other than nervous.

[SidewaysSi]

Devil2575 said:

RobM77 said:

What a load of bks. The driving pleasure of a car is not proportional to how much it costs, so why should a person on a six figure salary scrimp and save and go without food and central heating to buy their dream car, when it's available for £30k and with the change they can still afford to heat their house and go on holiday? Why would spending £100k on their car satisfy their needs any more than £30k does?! Not only that, but if you're married or living with a partner it's rather selfish to deprive your other half of a decent life just so you can indulge in your passion for cars.

Before you ask, I don't earn a six figure salary, but I have been in the position in the past where I spent 90% of my income on cars. I now earn a fair bit more and spend less of a proportion on cars, but it's roughly the same amount in absolute terms, because my love of cars is not related to how expensive they are, I can get all I want for my current expenditure and scrimping and saving would make no difference at all.

It's not bks at all, although if you have a thing about wanting to be the biggest enthusaist then I can see why you're upset by it

The point is it's easy to spend a lot on cars and have a "fleet" to cover all eventualities when money is no object. I'm sure there are some real enthusiasts out there who are so rich that they can have whatever cars they want and never have to compromise any other space of their lives but they are few and far between i'm sure. Amongst the rest of us though the ultra enthusiasts are the ones who made the biggest sacrifices just to get the car they want. Those who are prepared to make to give up the most just to endulge their love of cars. You're right, depriving your family of things because of your passion is selfish and not a good thing. What you're talking about is having a balance betweem your hobby and your family, which is what normal people do. However ulta enthusiasts aren't normal.

I guess I could sum up by saying that when posters are trying to outdo each other about who is the biggest enthusiast they should remember that getting to the top of this tree is not something to aspire too ant more than anyone should aspire to being the biggest Starwars fan.

Value of cars has nothing to do with it as newer/more expensive is not necessarily better (probably worse in many ways).

I would say I am completely obsessed by cars however I am not rich but do have a fleet of cars-total value approx £30k or the equivalent of a new Golf.

If I die never having bought another car, I will be entirely happy.

[Devil2575]

RobM77 said:

Devil2575 said:

RobM77 said:

What a load of bks. The driving pleasure of a car is not proportional to how much it costs, so why should a person on a six figure salary scrimp and save and go without food and central heating to buy their dream car, when it's available for £30k and with the change they can still afford to heat their house and go on holiday? Why would spending £100k on their car satisfy their needs any more than £30k does?! Not only that, but if you're married or living with a partner it's rather selfish to deprive your other half of a decent life just so you can indulge in your passion for cars.

Before you ask, I don't earn a six figure salary, but I have been in the position in the past where I spent 90% of my income on cars. I now earn a fair bit more and spend less of a proportion on cars, but it's roughly the same amount in absolute terms, because my love of cars is not related to how expensive they are, I can get all I want for my current expenditure and scrimping and saving would make no difference at all.

It's not bks at all, although if you have a thing about wanting to be the biggest enthusaist then I can see why you're upset by it

The point is it's easy to spend a lot on cars and have a "fleet" to cover all eventualities when money is no object. I'm sure there are some real enthusiasts out there who are so rich that they can have whatever cars they want and never have to compromise any other space of their lives but they are few and far between i'm sure. Amongst the rest of us though the ultra enthusiasts are the ones who made the biggest sacrifices just to get the car they want. Those who are prepared to make to give up the most just to endulge their love of cars. You're right, depriving your family of things because of your passion is selfish and not a good thing. What you're talking about is having a balance betweem your hobby and your family, which is what normal people do. However ulta enthusiasts aren't normal.

I guess I could sum up by saying that when posters are trying to outdo each other about who is the biggest enthusiast they should remember that getting to the top of this tree is not something to aspire too ant more than anyone should aspire to being the biggest Starwars fan.

No, sorry, that's just utter nonsense and I'm sure you know it and are just trolling? How much of an enthusiast you are is not and never will be proportional to how much you've spent on cars or how many cars you've got. I know guys who devote their lives to their car clubs, but if that car club is for Austin 7s, Minis or MG T types, then once they've got one (or two or three!) in their ideal spec, why would owning 10 of them make them more of an enthuiast than owning 1 or 2?!

You are clearly part of the typical PH pissing contest where people feel the need to outdo one another on who is the biggest/best

I'm not trolling at all and I believe everything i've written.

Did I say it was just about money? Having a balance between your hobby and your family could be time and/or money. Someone who devotes most of his time outside of work to his hobby is just as much of an enthusiast as someone who devotes all of his disposible income. In a way having 10 Minis could make you more of an enthusiast than someone who only has 3 because it could indicate a level of obsession that is beyond what most would consider normal.

The point is how obsessed are you with your hobby? I know a bloke and his hobby is cycling. It's all he does outside of work, it's caused him to get divorced, when he goes on Holiday he goes on a cycling holiday and he even takes his bike to work so that he can cycle on his lunch break. His whole life revolves around cycling to the detriment of everything else. This is what i'm talking about. He doesn't have to spend all his income on bikes because even the most expensive ones are well within his budget, but it does take up all his free time.

I'm not saying that no one who isn't this obsessed isn't an enthusiast, far from it, i'm just saying that in the "Who's the biggest enthusiast" pissing contest it's these guys that win.

[anonymous-user]

Devil2575 said:

The point is how obsessed are you with your hobby? I know a bloke and his hobby is cycling. It's all he does outside of work, it's caused him to get divorced, when he goes on Holiday he goes on a cycling holiday and he even takes his bike to work so that he can cycle on his lunch break. His whole life revolves around cycling to the detriment of everything else. This is what i'm talking about. He doesn't have to spend all his income on bikes because even the most expensive ones are well within his budget, but it does take up all his free time.
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Sounds perfectly normal to me

[Devil2575]

yonex said:

Devil2575 said:

The point is how obsessed are you with your hobby? I know a bloke and his hobby is cycling. It's all he does outside of work, it's caused him to get divorced, when he goes on Holiday he goes on a cycling holiday and he even takes his bike to work so that he can cycle on his lunch break. His whole life revolves around cycling to the detriment of everything else. This is what i'm talking about. He doesn't have to spend all his income on bikes because even the most expensive ones are well within his budget, but it does take up all his free time.
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Sounds perfectly normal to me

You must be just as special then

This Guy met a girl who was also into cycling, but she had a child from a previous relationship. Ok so she had to get a baby sitter before they could go out together on their bikes, however he was also expected to stay in with her sometimes when she couldn't. The relationship ended because of this.

He then met a woman who was just as obsessed as him. This was great, so much so that they got married, however she started to get broody and kids curtail cycling outings so they divorced. He's actually been divorced twice now, the second one because I think she expected his obsession to subside eventually but it didn't.

[anonymous-user]

Devil2575 said:

You must be just as special then

This Guy met a girl who was also into cycling, but she had a child from a previous relationship. Ok so she had to get a baby sitter before they could go out together on their bikes, however he was also expected to stay in with her sometimes when she couldn't. The relationship ended because of this.

He then met a woman who was just as obsessed as him. This was great, so much so that they got married, however she started to get broody and kids curtail cycling outings so they divorced. He's actually been divorced twice now, the second one because I think she expected his obsession to subside eventually but it didn't.

Luckily I have an understanding other half who has put up with various hobbies over the years He's missing the trick though not having children. If he's happy though fair play to him.

[Devil2575]

yonex said:

He's missing the trick though not having children

I think this about almost everyone who has chosen not to have kids

[otolith]

Devil2575 said:

yonex said:

He's missing the trick though not having children

I think this about almost everyone who has chosen not to have kids

I think the opposite

[Devil2575]

otolith said:

Devil2575 said:

yonex said:

He's missing the trick though not having children

I think this about almost everyone who has chosen not to have kids

I think the opposite

Do you have kids?

[otolith]

Devil2575 said:

Do you have kids?

Nope, are you child-free?

[anonymous-user]

Uh oh...do not break the seal on this one again :/

[Devil2575]

otolith said:

Devil2575 said:

Do you have kids?

Nope, are you child-free?

I have two.

This is now far O/T but how can you comment on something you have bever experienced?

It's not like a car that you can sell on if it doesn't suit. In order to know how you'd feel if you had kids you need to actually have them and then you will always have them. I suspect that most people who have kids wouldn't ever want to go back.

[SidewaysSi]

Devil2575 said:

otolith said:

Devil2575 said:

Do you have kids?

Nope, are you child-free?

I have two.

This is now far O/T but how can you comment on something you have bever experienced?

It's not like a car that you can sell on if it doesn't suit. In order to know how you'd feel if you had kids you need to actually have them and then you will always have them. I suspect that most people who have kids wouldn't ever want to go back.

I know a fair few who certainly would...I presume they also drive M5s

[otolith]

Even if they did, it would be massively socially unacceptable to say so. They aren't for everybody, we aren't all the same. As you pointed out above, some people have different priorities in life.

[RobM77]

Devil2575 said:

You are clearly part of the typical PH pissing contest where people feel the need to outdo one another on who is the biggest/best

Devil2575 said:

"Who's the biggest enthusiast"

I can only assume at some point you've got completely the wrong end of the stick, or are maybe posting on the wrong thread by mistake? Nobody on this thread has boasted about anything as far as I can see, and there hasn't been any discussion on who's the bigger enthusiast.

Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 16th April 13:19

[Devil2575]

RobM77 said:

Devil2575 said:

You are clearly part of the typical PH pissing contest where people feel the need to outdo one another on who is the biggest/best

Devil2575 said:

"Who's the biggest enthusiast"

I can only assume at some point you've got completely the wrong end of the stick, or are maybe posting on the wrong thread by mistake? Nobody on this thread has boasted about anything as far as I can see, and there hasn't been any discussion on who's the bigger enthusiast.

Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 16th April 13:19

It's been mentioned a few times.

[Devil2575]

otolith said:

Even if they did, it would be massively socially unacceptable to say so. They aren't for everybody, we aren't all the same. As you pointed out above, some people have different priorities in life.

Socially unacceptable to say that you wish you'd never had your kids. I agree it is, probably because people who think like that tend to be sociopaths...