RE: Shed Of The Week: Jaguar XJ
Discussion
Yes, I've got a cheap XJ and it is a marvellous thing to drive to work in. Even better driving home. Punting along an empty, unlit dual carriageway at midnight with Radio 4 on and the soft blue glow of the buttons, the analogue clock, the amazing seats - one of the best motoring experiences around.
Well done Shed this is what it's about.
700 quid , V8, leather, auto, I've just been quoted 50% of that for an oil change and mot for my Z4.........
Take off the bonnet mascot, put your cherished reg on it and worry not about depreciation. Even if you have to spend a couple of grand a year keeping it in fettle.
700 quid , V8, leather, auto, I've just been quoted 50% of that for an oil change and mot for my Z4.........
Take off the bonnet mascot, put your cherished reg on it and worry not about depreciation. Even if you have to spend a couple of grand a year keeping it in fettle.
I bought a £900 pound 3.2 sport ( from a dealer, probably over paid ) with 145000 miles on it, scratch on every panel and a whine from the gearbox. Two MOT's and 11000 miles later and all its needed was a replacements thermostat housing and a CV boot. Lovely place to waft around in, x308 xjr next.
Jaguar steve said:
but the V8 is some 200kg lighter
really? I always thought that the V8 and I6 were more or less the same car save for the engine, transmission and some interior fittingswiki reckons they have the same curb weight (though i appreciate wikipedia is not an infallible resource)
I know the X350 is significantly lighter as they used aluminium in it's construction a lot more, but thought X300 and X308 were about the same
I would be surprised if they weigh the same - the X300 may look more like an X308 than it does an XJ40, but in reality the late XJ40 is virtually the same car as the X300 underneath, whilst the more similar looking X308 is quite a bit different. Equally, I imagine an X300 must be similar in weight to a similarly specced late model XJ40.
I'm not sure what an X308 weighs - or even what an X300 weighs (!!
) - but a quick glance at the handbook for my late model XJ40 says the 3.2 has a kerb weight of 1825Kg and the 4 litre has a kerb weight of 1865kg. Presumably these figures are for cars without options, so a Sovereign with electric seats and air conditioning will weigh a bit more. I'm not sure how useful this is!!
Edited to add:
Wikipedia say the XJ40 has a kerb weight of 1720-1770kg. Jaguar disagree, so I'm not sure how accurate their X300 and X308 figures will be!
I'm not sure what an X308 weighs - or even what an X300 weighs (!!
) - but a quick glance at the handbook for my late model XJ40 says the 3.2 has a kerb weight of 1825Kg and the 4 litre has a kerb weight of 1865kg. Presumably these figures are for cars without options, so a Sovereign with electric seats and air conditioning will weigh a bit more. I'm not sure how useful this is!!Edited to add:
Wikipedia say the XJ40 has a kerb weight of 1720-1770kg. Jaguar disagree, so I'm not sure how accurate their X300 and X308 figures will be!
Edited by dbdb on Saturday 11th April 20:44
So lovely. I had three in a row, two at shed prices. Two of them made it over 200,000 miles before they became too expensive to repair. The other one only made it to 178,000.
I did 80,000 miles in the first, no significant bills - depreciated £1600 in 5 years.
The last one only lost £300 in 2 years. That buys a lot of fuel and makes you feel very smug when d
heads in dull £15k boxes comment that it must drink fuel..
The 4.0 litre is a lot torquier than the 3.2 and slightly more economical. But much harder to find.
I did 80,000 miles in the first, no significant bills - depreciated £1600 in 5 years.
The last one only lost £300 in 2 years. That buys a lot of fuel and makes you feel very smug when d
heads in dull £15k boxes comment that it must drink fuel..The 4.0 litre is a lot torquier than the 3.2 and slightly more economical. But much harder to find.
Just had the pleasure of showing someone this car - to see the look on their face was priceless!
They had a 'thing' about owning a Jag for ages and - against all sensible advice - bought an X-Type (Diesel!!) from a Jaguar dealer - for proper silly money - about a year ago.
It's now in negative equity, so much was it overpriced - in fact it's negative equity is MORE than this car COSTS!!
And this is a proper Jag, not a Mondeo in spats - they could have bought one of these, ticked the "owned a Jag" box and saved a fortune (even a proper year's fuel difference doesn't balance-out the costs).
The X type hasn't been flawless either so we could even cope with a breakdown or 2 ;0
They had a 'thing' about owning a Jag for ages and - against all sensible advice - bought an X-Type (Diesel!!) from a Jaguar dealer - for proper silly money - about a year ago.
It's now in negative equity, so much was it overpriced - in fact it's negative equity is MORE than this car COSTS!!
And this is a proper Jag, not a Mondeo in spats - they could have bought one of these, ticked the "owned a Jag" box and saved a fortune (even a proper year's fuel difference doesn't balance-out the costs).
The X type hasn't been flawless either so we could even cope with a breakdown or 2 ;0
theJT said:
If I had a big enough space in which to park it I would have bought one of these already. Always thought it was a shame there was no XJ coupe during the X300/X350 era mind.
The old XJ-C was always the true looker of the Jaguar range for me. Much more so than the XJS.
Well said that man, the XJ-C is beautiful, as your pic ably demonstrates.The old XJ-C was always the true looker of the Jaguar range for me. Much more so than the XJS.
405dogvan said:
Just had the pleasure of showing someone this car - to see the look on their face was priceless!
They had a 'thing' about owning a Jag for ages and - against all sensible advice - bought an X-Type (Diesel!!) from a Jaguar dealer - for proper silly money - about a year ago.
It's now in negative equity, so much was it overpriced - in fact it's negative equity is MORE than this car COSTS!!
And this is a proper Jag, not a Mondeo in spats - they could have bought one of these, ticked the "owned a Jag" box and saved a fortune (even a proper year's fuel difference doesn't balance-out the costs).
The X type hasn't been flawless either so we could even cope with a breakdown or 2 ;0
I wish I had done it earlier its ran faultlessly for nearly a year now, for what I paid it owes me nothing and what a great place to sit, I even have the receipt in the armrest because people don't believe how little I paid They had a 'thing' about owning a Jag for ages and - against all sensible advice - bought an X-Type (Diesel!!) from a Jaguar dealer - for proper silly money - about a year ago.
It's now in negative equity, so much was it overpriced - in fact it's negative equity is MORE than this car COSTS!!
And this is a proper Jag, not a Mondeo in spats - they could have bought one of these, ticked the "owned a Jag" box and saved a fortune (even a proper year's fuel difference doesn't balance-out the costs).
The X type hasn't been flawless either so we could even cope with a breakdown or 2 ;0
dbdb said:
They don't rust like a sixties Jag. The X308 is based on the late battery in boot XJ40, with some revisions. The XJ40 can get quite rusty, but they don't rot out like the Series Jaguars - indeed their rust-prone areas are quite specific and well documented. Many/most XJ40s lost to rust are killed more by indifference than by the terminal nature of the rust itself. Often, it would be regarded as minor rust in a more expensive/sought after car.
Not all cars are affected either, so it is entirely possible to find rust free cars. This is particularly true for the X308, since the X308 rusts less in general than the late XJ40 did.
Interesting points and having not owned later Jags i have no experience so really shouldnt have commented, Ive read advertised cars descriptions over the years and quite a few state rust issues on the x series XJ's so came to my own conclusion, The point im really making is Jaguar seems to have not learnt a great deal about designing out mud traps and high quality anti corrosion protection in the last 40 yrs which you really should expect on an expensive luxury car, I suppose they still use the Bill Lyons ethos of cheaply built luxury cars! Not all cars are affected either, so it is entirely possible to find rust free cars. This is particularly true for the X308, since the X308 rusts less in general than the late XJ40 did.
Edited by dbdb on Saturday 11th April 14:12
theJT said:
If I had a big enough space in which to park it I would have bought one of these already. Always thought it was a shame there was no XJ coupe during the X300/X350 era mind.
The old XJ-C was always the true looker of the Jaguar range for me. Much more so than the XJS.
Love the rear arches on that, Nicely done and really suit it.The old XJ-C was always the true looker of the Jaguar range for me. Much more so than the XJS.
klunkT5 said:
i have no experience so really shouldnt have commented,
klunkT5 said:
Jaguar seems to have not learnt a great deal about designing out mud traps and high quality anti corrosion protection in the last 40 yrs which you really should expect on an expensive luxury car,
Still commenting, even though no experience. They are massively better than they used to be, as with most manufacturers.klunkT5 said:
The point im really making is Jaguar seems to have not learnt a great deal about designing out mud traps and high quality anti corrosion protection in the last 40 yrs which you really should expect on an expensive luxury car, I suppose they still use the Bill Lyons ethos of cheaply built luxury cars!
Meanwhile, over in Germany.BMW E39 Floor/Jacking point said:
BMW E38 Fuel tank said:
Mercedes W220 rear arch said:
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Mercedes W210 said:
279 said:
klunkT5 said:
The point im really making is Jaguar seems to have not learnt a great deal about designing out mud traps and high quality anti corrosion protection in the last 40 yrs which you really should expect on an expensive luxury car, I suppose they still use the Bill Lyons ethos of cheaply built luxury cars!
Meanwhile, over in Germany.BMW E39 Floor/Jacking point said:
BMW E38 Fuel tank said:
Mercedes W220 rear arch said:
Mercedes W210 said:
Mercedes W210 said:
Mercedes W210 said:
It is amazing how people's pre-conceived ideas affect their perceptions of problems on cars. The rust repairs you see PHers doing on their old Mercedes are a good example.
On the Mercedes, they're just seen as a bit of fettling, but if the same rust patch happened to be on a Jaguar (or heaven forbid something from Italy) then it is "OMG rust horror!" Odd really.
So too are problems faced in service. For some reason, a lot of people seem to think that Jaguars are poor quality and unreliable. It's not true. For cars built from 1990, the XJ40 suffers less problems than the average car and the last 1993/94 cars are very good quality things.
The X300 improved on this, suffering very few maladies indeed when they were new cars - and continue to be robust cars now. They were continuously very highly rated in quality surveys right through the 1990s - mostly higher than their "better" German counterparts, though it must be said, lower than Lexus.
On the Mercedes, they're just seen as a bit of fettling, but if the same rust patch happened to be on a Jaguar (or heaven forbid something from Italy) then it is "OMG rust horror!" Odd really.
So too are problems faced in service. For some reason, a lot of people seem to think that Jaguars are poor quality and unreliable. It's not true. For cars built from 1990, the XJ40 suffers less problems than the average car and the last 1993/94 cars are very good quality things.
The X300 improved on this, suffering very few maladies indeed when they were new cars - and continue to be robust cars now. They were continuously very highly rated in quality surveys right through the 1990s - mostly higher than their "better" German counterparts, though it must be said, lower than Lexus.
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