RE: Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

RE: Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

Monday 13th April 2015

Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

If it has to be a diesel crossover it may as well be a fast one but which wins this fraternal power struggle?



With the compact SUV market still expanding, Porsche simply couldn't afford to miss out any longer. And by launching its diesel Macan S last year it has broken one of the last Porsche taboos. Unsurprisingly given the larger Cayenne's popularity, UK demand for the Macan S Diesel has gone through the roof, with many UK buyers opting for the Porsche alternative to the Range Rover Evoque and BMW X3.

Diesels are the engines of choice in this sector of course, but that doesn't mean you'll be short-changed in terms of performance - especially with the Macan, or its even faster Audi SQ5 cousin. Built on similar underpinnings, the SQ5 offers a very similar package with an almost identical price. Waiting lists are playing a part in buying decisions as much as brand image though - you'll have to wait as long as 12 months for your new Macan S Diesel to be delivered, rather than just three or four months for a new Audi SQ5. But in spite of these current supply differences, there's actually very little else separating these two close relatives. The question is though - which is best?


Family tree
Audi's SQ5 was the first of these two blood brothers to be shown to the public - on the eve of the 2012 Le Mans 24-hour race, subsequently dominated by Audi's R18 diesel and hybrid-diesel race cars. As Audi's first SUV to carry an S badge and also its first S-branded diesel, the SQ5 was a real ground-breaker.

Priced at £43,870, initial UK cars were delivered in the spring of 2013 offering owners the tantalising prospect of 313hp from a 3.0-litre bi-turbo diesel combined with four-wheel drive, 41.5mpg and relatively tax-friendly 179g/km CO2. Performance was every bit as impressive as expected with 62mph dispatched in just 5.1 seconds, courtesy of an eight-speed automatic transmission and Audi's Quattro permanent four-wheel drive. The TDI V6 at the heart of the SQ5 features bespoke cooling plus unique intake camshafts and pistons. As standard the SQ5 features stop-start, 20-inch alloys, sports suspension (sitting 30mm lower than a standard Q5), Nappa leather, xenon headlights and subtle Audi 'S' body identifiers including the grille, mirrors and badges. A compelling package for the money then, one that's already being enjoyed by 2,852 delighted UK buyers.



Porsche's Macan S Diesel arrived a year later and, alongside the petrol S and Turbo, was delivered to the first few UK buyers from April 2014. All three models came with Porsche's active all-wheel drive system and a PDK dual-clutch transmission as standard. The turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 diesel engine in the Macan S produces less power than the Audi SQ5 though, with 258hp at 4,000rpm, enabling the Macan to accelerate from 0-62mph in 6.3 seconds.

All Macans are produced at Leipzig and standard spec for the Diesel includes 18-inch alloys, Porsche Traction Management (PTM), Porsche Stability Management (PSM) with Hill Control plus Sport and Off-Road modes. The same 350mm front brake discs are fitted to both the petrol and diesel Macan S models, with rear braking provided by 330mm discs - complete with floating rear calipers. With the compact SUV sector so buoyant, demand for the Macan S Diesel has - not surprisingly - been very high. Porsche GB has delivered over 1,500 Macans to customers in the UK already, of which around 1,000 have been the Macan S Diesel.


Brothers in arms
And despite being premium rivals on the automotive high street both Porsche and Audi are refreshingly happy to talk about the common strands of DNA shared by the Macan and SQ5. From Porsche's perspective this is perhaps more surprising given its elevated brand status - but with over 60 per cent of UK Macans sold to people who have never owned a Porsche before, it's perhaps understandable. The Macan S Diesel in particular is responsible for opening up the Porsche brand to a new audience.

So just how much do these two rivals actually share in common? Well the Volkswagen Group MLB platform is the key component in both models, and Audi is responsible for the development of the MLB - like the smaller MQB, it's essentially a modular tool kit of components and systems for a number of Audi and Porsche vehicles with longitudinal engines. So elements of this architecture will be found under the skin of the next Audi A4, A6 and A8.

The underlying Audi platform is produced in Ingolstadt, whilst the Porsche Macan is built in Leipzig - utilising Audi's MLB components and systems. Porsche claims that over 75 per cent of the Macan's components are actually either new, totally unique to Porsche, or have been significantly updated by Porsche. And that includes of course the Macan's V6 diesel engine, which has been modified and specially tuned by Porsche engineers.


Family feud
At first glance though, these two SUVs look they share the majority of their genetics. Both sit similarly on the road, big front grilles and large headlamps dominating, with large chunky mirrors and mildly aggressive faces completing the sporty SUV look. But each claims styling elements from its own brand. The boxier SQ5 follows Audi family tradition, boasting a huge corporate grille, a recognisably safe side-profile and a discreet smattering of SQ5 badges. The Macan too is relatively low-profile on the road, but still unmistakably Porsche. Arguably better looking than the Cayenne, it's a far sportier proposition, with the tapering rear roof line and shorter overhangs in particular marking it out from the larger Porsche SUV.

The SQ5 looks solid as a rock though, and feels it too from the driver's seat with predictably Teutonic build quality. Rapid yet dependable, the ride is firm yet smooth on most surfaces and there's a purposeful V6 growl from the four (!) exhaust pipes. Against a standard Q5 it's very good to drive, but pitted against the Porsche the SQ5 doesn't seem quite as rewarding - though quicker on paper it's not quite as progressive as the Porsche in terms of handling or performance, the ride quality can't quite match the Porsche either and ultimately it's less engaging. Many Audi buyers won't care though.



Those seeking a sports car experience in a diesel SUV (yes, there seem to be a few) should look no further than the Porsche Macan S. It revs with real enthusiasm and a pleasing lack of inertia, the seven-speed PDK transmission is sharp and the dynamics are superb. With the £785 Porsche Active Stability Management and Sport Plus Mode selected the Macan's composure is second-to-none. The brakes are excellent too.

Both suffer from some turbo lag though, but it's the Porsche that continues to impress - its ride is supremely comfortable yet communicative, and the steering feels more precise. Furthermore, the Porsche's cabin is classier and arguably feels even more expensive than the Audi.

You'll have to pay for the privilege of owning a Macan S though, or have a degree of patience - limited supply means used ones currently trade at £54,000 or more, while lead times for new ones are still around 9-12 months. This should fall to around three to six months by the end of 2015 though.

If you are prepared to wait for a new order then please be warned - the asking price can rise very quickly if you're trigger happy with the options list. The Jet Black metallic car you see here for example comes with options totalling £13,545 (!) including metallic paint for £607, Sport Chrono (£728), black leather (£1,052), Porsche Communication Management ( £2,007), 20-inch wheels (£1,457), PASM (£785), adaptive sports memory seats (£1,214) and cruise control for £348 amongst others.

This elevates the asking price to a mighty £56,845. To match this spec our Sepang Blue Audi SQ5 started life at £43,725 and added nearly £6,000 of options, taking the OTR price to £49,540. But that's still a lot less than a new or used Macan S Diesel. Don't forget those shorter delivery times too.

However, if you're prepared to pay more now, or wait until Christmas for a conservatively-specced factory order then the more engaging Porsche is your best choice. And you can justify a Macan S Diesel with your head too - the Porsche actually boasts better fuel economy and emissions.









   

 


AUDI SQ5 TDI
Engine: 2,967cc V6 bi-turbo diesel
Power (hp): 313@3,900-4,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 479@1,450-2,800rpm
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Kerbweight: 1,920kg
Top speed: 155mph
0-62mph: 5.1secs
MPG: 41.5 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 179g/km
Price: £38,800 to £50,000
Manufactured: 2013-on
Love it: Power, performance, noise, relative value
Loathe it: Variable ride quality, numb steering
Spotted:SQ5 TDI, Blue, 30K miles, £39,999

PORSCHE MACAN S DIESEL
Engine:
2,967cc V6 diesel
Power (hp): 258@4,000-4,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 428@1,750-2,500rpm
Transmission: 7-speed PDK dual-clutch auto
Kerbweight: 1,880kg
Top speed: 142mph
0-62mph: 6.3secs
MPG: 46.3 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 159g/km
Price: £43,300 to £58,000
Manufactured: 2014-on
Love it: Looks good, drives like a proper sports car
Loathe it: Expensive options, lengthy waiting list
Spotted:Macan Diesel S, Agate Grey, 20-inch wheels, 9K miles, £54,850

Many thanks to Richard Papp for his assistance with this feature.

Photos: Tom Begley

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Discussion

SteveSteveson

Original Poster:

3,209 posts

163 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Just no. I know they are popular, but honestly, such a pointlessly compromised idea seems the antithesis of a PH car. These small crossovers compromise everything for no gain at all. They don't even look good.

zeDuffMan

4,055 posts

151 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Wonder why the Porsche is so undertuned compared to the Audi? They don't want the diesel sitting with a better 0-60 time than the petrol Macan? It can't be a case of not wanting to tread on Audi's toes, I thought it would be the other way around. Can't be a gearbox issue either, they put the PDK in the 911 Turbo S.

I see a Sepang Blue SQ5 fairly often on the morning commute. Think it looks quite smart actually.

Wouldn't go near either with a barge pole though.

karma mechanic

728 posts

122 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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In the side view I can't help thinking that the Audi looks better - the rear of the Macan just looks odd. Both would look a lot better IMHO if the wheel arch gap was reduced significantly, but more so on the Macan. Same problem as the Infiniti FX, the body doesn't fit with the undercarriage and arch gap.

As to 'small' crossover, these look pretty big to me.

bitchstewie

51,206 posts

210 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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I'd have a Macan in a heartbeat but I wouldn't pay £50K for one - I hadn't appreciated the price and had assumed they were closer to Evoque money.

12 months wait as well - that's absurd but no doubt great for residuals.

blearyeyedboy

6,290 posts

179 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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I'd look at it slightly differently. Car companies exist to make profit for their owners. Like it or not, these cars make profit by the bucketload.

The profit generated by these cars keeps Audi and Porsche viable, which in turn makes the next few generations of R8 and 911 viable too. That's their true value to PHers.

Also, while many are bought for superficial reasons there are people who appreciate them as slightly nicer family boxes with high driving positions which are nicer to drive than a Nissan Qashqai. Not very PH but valid enough.

swimd

350 posts

121 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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If I had to buy a "small" crossover I'd choose the RS Q3.... silly performance, great sounding engine, safe 400 bhp with just a remap. It's no Macan but at least it has some humour. Much more fun to drive than I expected.

ChasW

2,135 posts

202 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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This stuff leaves me cold. You could get a garage of 3 decent cars for £45k

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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20" inch wheels says it all about these horrible things ( popular with people who want to be seen in their new prestige purchase).

Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Sorry for the pedantery but the SQ5 in your pics isnt Sepang blue... The one below is Sepang.


mrclav

1,295 posts

223 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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blearyeyedboy said:
I'd look at it slightly differently. Car companies exist to make profit for their owners. Like it or not, these cars make profit by the bucketload.

The profit generated by these cars keeps Audi and Porsche viable, which in turn makes the next few generations of R8 and 911 viable too. That's their true value to PHers.

Also, while many are bought for superficial reasons there are people who appreciate them as slightly nicer family boxes with high driving positions which are nicer to drive than a Nissan Qashqai. Not very PH but valid enough.
Absolutely spot on. One has to wonder if PHer's think that these manufacturers should pander to them and them only...

Example:- a friend of mine has always hankered after a 911, however marriage and family got in the way of the dream. Compromise? He took delivery of one of the first Macan Diesels in the UK and was told by the dealer that as long as he keeps it within the agreed lease mileage they will give him back the money he paid for it new if he brings it back to them after driving it for a year, effectively meaning he gets the experience of owning something with a Porsche badge for a year for free. His wife loves it too so happy days there. Having now enjoyed the car for a few months he intends to now give the car back and buy two cars, one being a 911.

I'd say that's a win all around.

truck71

2,328 posts

172 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Do you buy one of these when your white Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirt doesn't offend your friends anymore?

griffgrog

705 posts

246 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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I have a Macan S diesel and I think it's fantastic. It handles brilliantly, has seemingly limitless grip and the small SUV driving position is great. It's big enough in the back for primary school aged children, has a great ride (on air suspension) and even tows my race car trailer fine. That coupled with 35+ MPG and rock solid residuals, what's not to like?

mrclav

1,295 posts

223 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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ChasW said:
This stuff leaves me cold. You could get a garage of 3 decent cars for £45k
One could do that but unfortunately many only have space for one car. Plus many of these new cars will be bought on finance so it's not really that people will be actually spending £45k of their own money upfront is it?

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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ChasW said:
This stuff leaves me cold. You could get a garage of 3 decent cars for £45k
New ones?

You could get 45 cars for the price of one of these - more even, if you had the reddies, hardly the same though is it?

In so far as these cars are concerned, they aren't really for me, if I needed a bit of room, 4WD and a turn of pace at this price point I'd have a Volvo V60 Polestar instead, the fuel economy might be crap but who cares about that? Available for £41,000 pre registered now, too.

EricE

1,945 posts

129 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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truck71 said:
Do you buy one of these when your white Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirt doesn't offend your friends anymore?
laughclap

Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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I am surprised the Porsche has such low 'top trump' performance against the Audi - presumably an SS version will be along soon at another 10k.

Actually think both would be nice for pootling around North Devons narrow roads, sit up high for a great view and plenty of grunt for getting past grockles, lovely and in some ways like the Golf country I used to have in Germany which was not exactly off road biased, except they are like everything getting so dash wide, just makes me wince when thinking of how much time I spend scraping along hedgerows to get past other traffic and all that lovely paint getting scratched to heck!

Matt UK

17,696 posts

200 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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blearyeyedboy said:
I'd look at it slightly differently. Car companies exist to make profit for their owners. Like it or not, these cars make profit by the bucketload.

The profit generated by these cars keeps Audi and Porsche viable, which in turn makes the next few generations of R8 and 911 viable too. That's their true value to PHers.

Also, while many are bought for superficial reasons there are people who appreciate them as slightly nicer family boxes with high driving positions which are nicer to drive than a Nissan Qashqai. Not very PH but valid enough.
So should PH not focus more on the next few generations of R8 and 911 then?

The cars themselves are not an issue, they are a valid proposition, each to their own.
I just don't see why a site like PH seems to write so many articles about them.
If I want to read about small diesel SUVs I'll log on to Caravan World or Mumsnut...

Yawn.

chrispj

264 posts

143 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Numeric said:
Actually think both would be nice for pootling around North Devons narrow roads, sit up high for a great view and plenty of grunt for getting past grockles, lovely and in some ways like the Golf country I used to have in Germany which was not exactly off road biased, except they are like everything getting so dash wide, just makes me wince when thinking of how much time I spend scraping along hedgerows to get past other traffic and all that lovely paint getting scratched to heck!
You'd think they would be, but down my way in Dartmoor and East Devon way, along with most SUV type vehicles, the drivers refuse to go closer than 3 feet to the edge of the road and cheerfully push everyone smaller into the verge. Whether they don't know how wide they are or don't want to scratch their paint is a moot question...

SteveSteveson

Original Poster:

3,209 posts

163 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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mrclav said:
Absolutely spot on. One has to wonder if PHer's think that these manufacturers should pander to them and them only...
I don't think anyone has a problem with them being made. If there is a market then car makers should fill it and make money. The issue is PH focusing on such dross.

griffgrog

705 posts

246 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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SteveSteveson said:
The issue is PH focusing on such dross.
I haven't driven the SQ5, but the Macan is anything but dross. It drives superbly. I might take mine on a track day to see how it fairs.