RE: Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

RE: Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

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ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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herebebeasties said:
Errr, the fact that it weighs nearly two tonnes and is a huge barge of a thing, yet you can only fit primary-school-aged kids in the back?
This is what I thought when I sat in one. About the same size as a Golf inside.

Jandywa

1,058 posts

150 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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LasseV said:
535i wagon. Beats it in every category.
Apart from ride comfort, interior quality, residual value, basic price, gearbox, fuel economy, towing capacity(macan 2400kg) and off road ability(but not that you would really want to)

griffgrog

705 posts

245 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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herebebeasties said:
griffgrog said:
I have a Macan S diesel and I think it's fantastic. It handles brilliantly, has seemingly limitless grip and the small SUV driving position is great. It's big enough in the back for primary school aged children, has a great ride (on air suspension) and even tows my race car trailer fine. That coupled with 35+ MPG and rock solid residuals, what's not to like?
Errr, the fact that it weighs nearly two tonnes and is a huge barge of a thing, yet you can only fit primary-school-aged kids in the back?
That's a full grown man, not a primary school age child. It's not actually that big. It's certainly doesn't feel long. It's much shorter than a 5 series touring and only marginally longer than a 3 series estate. It is wide though. That's probably why it handles so incredibly well.

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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I genuinely thought only children used 0-60mph as a good measurement of a car's performance. Apparently not.

raiderfan

8 posts

161 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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I've actually got one of these things: a Sepang Blue SQ5 with a fair few goodies. My other half drives it much more than me (I prefer two wheels). She wanted safe, solid, good badge, high driving position, nice interior, big boot, but smaller than her previous 5-series. I wanted something that would get the kids from A to B seriously quickly, and that might be a laugh when I'm on my own. We looked at some far more Pistonheads-friendly options - C63, RS4, S4 - but they were all much more expensive than the SQ5. And that's where the Macan really loses out: in the real world of PCP deals, our local Porsche dealer couldn't come within a million miles of what we negotiated from Audi. So we are pretty happy. It ticks all the boxes...except for the fun one. It's ridiculously rapid, but much easier to respect than to love. Wish I'd spent the extra on a C63...

LasseV

1,754 posts

132 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Jandywa said:
Apart from ride comfort, interior quality, residual value, basic price, gearbox, fuel economy, towing capacity(macan 2400kg) and off road ability(but not that you would really want to)
I'm not sure about that ride quality thing at all... Fuel economy for sure, but this is PH so bmw wins cos it is hands down much more faster punch



Granfondo

12,241 posts

205 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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raiderfan said:
I've actually got one of these things: a Sepang Blue SQ5 with a fair few goodies. My other half drives it much more than me (I prefer two wheels). She wanted safe, solid, good badge, high driving position, nice interior, big boot, but smaller than her previous 5-series. I wanted something that would get the kids from A to B seriously quickly, and that might be a laugh when I'm on my own. We looked at some far more Pistonheads-friendly options - C63, RS4, S4 - but they were all much more expensive than the SQ5. And that's where the Macan really loses out: in the real world of PCP deals, our local Porsche dealer couldn't come within a million miles of what we negotiated from Audi. So we are pretty happy. It ticks all the boxes...except for the fun one. It's ridiculously rapid, but much easier to respect than to love. Wish I'd spent the extra on a C63...
The bit about the PCP is the thing I don't understand,if the Macan loses hardly any money why is the PCP not cheaper than the Audi or any car for that matter?

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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nickfrog said:
I genuinely thought only children used 0-60mph as a good measurement of a car's performance. Apparently not.
It is one measure, not the be all and end all, it tells part of a story, part of the part only figures can tell.

revgrectifier

31 posts

125 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Happy owner of a top spec'd Diesel Macan. Cracking car!

Granfondo

12,241 posts

205 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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revgrectifier said:
Happy owner of a top spec'd Diesel Macan. Cracking car!
thumbup if you get these type of cars you just get it! smile

Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Sporty diesel? Still doesn't sit right with me.

TX.

clarki

1,312 posts

218 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Terminator X said:
Sporty diesel? Still doesn't sit right with me.

TX.
These cars aren't sporty, don't worry.

The good news is both porsche and audi will sell you a sports car if you want one - and those even look nice.

blearyeyedboy

6,252 posts

178 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Matt UK said:
blearyeyedboy said:
I'd look at it slightly differently. Car companies exist to make profit for their owners. Like it or not, these cars make profit by the bucketload.

The profit generated by these cars keeps Audi and Porsche viable, which in turn makes the next few generations of R8 and 911 viable too. That's their true value to PHers.

Also, while many are bought for superficial reasons there are people who appreciate them as slightly nicer family boxes with high driving positions which are nicer to drive than a Nissan Qashqai. Not very PH but valid enough.
So should PH not focus more on the next few generations of R8 and 911 then?

The cars themselves are not an issue, they are a valid proposition, each to their own.
I just don't see why a site like PH seems to write so many articles about them.
If I want to read about small diesel SUVs I'll log on to Caravan World or Mumsnut...

Yawn.
OK, I'll bite. wink

I have no interest in owning either car. That's not a criticism, they're just not as interesting as other machines. But they do affect the corporate culture and hence the R8's and 911's you're more interested in.

I'm interested for the same reasons that I'm interested in the fact that Andy Palmer took over Aston Martin or that China has punitive tax rates for cars with an engine capacity of over 4 litres. Do you see or feel any of that when you turn the key to a fast car? Of course not. But it bloody well makes a difference to the fast cars people are going to drive.

If that doesn't interest you, then there are plenty of articles that focus more narrowly on just the fast cars themselves. That's fine, and it's a legitimate point of view. Just don't assume that others share your taste in what's interesting to read. If you don't enjoy these articles on other vehicles or other things in the motor industry, just read the ones you enjoy and ignore the ones you don't.

I must say that "Mumsnut" sounds like an interesting website if you're bored! hehewink

raiderfan

8 posts

161 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Granfondo said:
The bit about the PCP is the thing I don't understand,if the Macan loses hardly any money why is the PCP not cheaper than the Audi or any car for that matter?
I don't fully understand it either, but on exactly the same terms (£10k deposit, four year term), the Porsche was £170/month more expensive. Some of that is probably down to the fact that Audi make a deposit contribution, and, after much haggling, the dealer added to that. With a waiting list, Porsche obviously don't feel the need to do the same. You get a free mint at reception, but that's it.

And I suspect I'll pay for the lower monthly bills on the Audi at the end of the four years. Like BMW and, particularly, Mercedes, I won't see much of my £10k investment at the end of the term with the Audi...


Granfondo

12,241 posts

205 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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raiderfan said:
Granfondo said:
The bit about the PCP is the thing I don't understand,if the Macan loses hardly any money why is the PCP not cheaper than the Audi or any car for that matter?
I don't fully understand it either, but on exactly the same terms (£10k deposit, four year term), the Porsche was £170/month more expensive. Some of that is probably down to the fact that Audi make a deposit contribution, and, after much haggling, the dealer added to that. With a waiting list, Porsche obviously don't feel the need to do the same. You get a free mint at reception, but that's it.

And I suspect I'll pay for the lower monthly bills on the Audi at the end of the four years. Like BMW and, particularly, Mercedes, I won't see much of my £10k investment at the end of the term with the Audi...
Were the cars the same price, or was the Porsche much dearer when you specced them up?

Denver09

134 posts

186 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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I rented one of these and drove it from Berlin to Freiburg (about 800km each way). I was only planning on renting a c class but they offered me a skoda, which I was not too happy about, particularly as it was such a long drive. Not that there is anything wrong with a Skoda, I know they are very capable cars, but I wanted something a little bit interesting to keep me awake. The only other thing they had was a diesel Macan and it was only 29Euros more per day, so I grabbed the keys.


Strangely for a rental, every option was ticked. The interior is beautiful, low end speed is impressive and fuel economy was also very good for such a car. The build quality is absolutely sublime and it does feel like a porsche sitting in front of the steering wheel. However, it was not very fast on the autobahn and I was constantly getting spanked by S4's and some diesel BMW's, at high speed. It maxed out at 226kph and the cross winds made it a bit hairy at times. It is definitely not a high speed car but great for zipping around as it's fairly nimble.

With a couple of sprogs and all the kit that comes with a family, I think this would be a great car but it is so expensive to buy - especially with the options added.

So would I buy one? No. If I was looking for a sporty SUV I would spend my 65k on a nearly new Porsche cayenne Turbo.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Denver09 said:
I rented one of these and drove it from Berlin to Freiburg (about 800km each way). I was only planning on renting a c class but they offered me a skoda, which I was not too happy about, particularly as it was such a long drive. Not that there is anything wrong with a Skoda, I know they are very capable cars, but I wanted something a little bit interesting to keep me awake. The only other thing they had was a diesel Macan and it was only 29Euros more per day, so I grabbed the keys.


Strangely for a rental, every option was ticked. The interior is beautiful, low end speed is impressive and fuel economy was also very good for such a car. The build quality is absolutely sublime and it does feel like a porsche sitting in front of the steering wheel. However, it was not very fast on the autobahn and I was constantly getting spanked by S4's and some diesel BMW's, at high speed. It maxed out at 226kph and the cross winds made it a bit hairy at times. It is definitely not a high speed car but great for zipping around as it's fairly nimble.

With a couple of sprogs and all the kit that comes with a family, I think this would be a great car but it is so expensive to buy - especially with the options added.

So would I buy one? No. If I was looking for a sporty SUV I would spend my 65k on a nearly new Porsche cayenne Turbo.
The new vs used debate should be at the forefront of anyone's mind with these kind of cars. We are told over and over by their fans that they are just very practical, do-it-all cars. If so, why piss thousands down the drain each year by buying brand new? I think the answer is that they are bought largely for fashion and show off reasons.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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ORD said:
The new vs used debate should be at the forefront of anyone's mind with these kind of cars. We are told over and over by their fans that they are just very practical, do-it-all cars. If so, why piss thousands down the drain each year by buying brand new? I think the answer is that they are bought largely for fashion and show off reasons.
I don't understand the criticism of people wanting to spend their money on brand new cars if they want to, why should this be a concern? Someone's got to do it haven't they? And are you suggest that you personally have never bought anything without considering it's aesthetics or whether you consider it "Fashionable"? Of course people buy cars for what they look like it's a very big factor for most when narrowing down their options.

Granfondo

12,241 posts

205 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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ORD said:
The new vs used debate should be at the forefront of anyone's mind with these kind of cars. We are told over and over by their fans that they are just very practical, do-it-all cars. If so, why piss thousands down the drain each year by buying brand new? I think the answer is that they are bought largely for fashion and show off reasons.
The problem with that is that nearly new Macans are fetching a premium! wink

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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gigglebug said:
ORD said:
The new vs used debate should be at the forefront of anyone's mind with these kind of cars. We are told over and over by their fans that they are just very practical, do-it-all cars. If so, why piss thousands down the drain each year by buying brand new? I think the answer is that they are bought largely for fashion and show off reasons.
I don't understand the criticism of people wanting to spend their money on brand new cars if they want to, why should this be a concern? Someone's got to do it haven't they? And are you suggest that you personally have never bought anything without considering it's aesthetics or whether you consider it "Fashionable"? Of course people buy cars for what they look like it's a very big factor for most when narrowing down their options.
It looks the same when a year old.