RE: Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

[Cupramax]

From the Macan turbo test on fifth gear the handling looked bizarre, it seemed to hop around corners when pushed, it was quite visible from the video they shot.

Edited by Cupramax on Sunday 12th April 16:20

[LasseV]

Feeeekking boring cars. And both are very ugly. Meh.

[mrclav]

SteveSteveson said:

mrclav said:

Absolutely spot on. One has to wonder if PHer's think that these manufacturers should pander to them and them only...

I don't think anyone has a problem with them being made. If there is a market then car makers should fill it and make money. The issue is PH focusing on such dross.

Please define that empirically - exactly how is a Macan "dross"? Have you driven one? Lived with one as a daily driver? If so, what was bad about the car? Please enlighten us all.

Just because you think so doesn't mean that is the case, that's simply your opinion. Any car that's had years spent in perfecting by some of the best engineering minds in the world can hardly be described as such.There are many on here for whom such a purchase is something very relevant to their situation and lifestyle.

Last time I checked, this site wasn't Evo. There are articles for everyone and every taste on here and I hope that it may continue this way. I don't particularly like SUVs and would never own one but that doesn't make someone who does them less of a "Pistonhead" than you or I.

[vz-r_dave]

'Love it: Looks good, drives like a proper sports car'

Since when did any car with an engine that revs to 4k drive like a sports car? Seriously PH?

[mrclav]

Matt UK said:

So should PH not focus more on the next few generations of R8 and 911 then?

Try logging onto Evo then?

[bitchstewie]

Usual PH stuff - "I don't like that kind of car so they shouldn't be reviewing that kind of thing"

[Baryonyx]

What a couple of ste cars.

[vz-r_dave]

bhstewie said:

Usual PH stuff - "I don't like that kind of car so they shouldn't be reviewing that kind of thing"

Love it: Looks good, drives like a proper sports car..... considering PH's roots statements/opinions like this are ridiculous.

Edited by vz-r_dave on Sunday 12th April 16:43

[Jandywa]

How can you call either of these cars ste

The Macan diesel may possibly be a bit wet but the petrol S and turbo are brilliant.

[Pauly-b]

To be fair those who think these two are woeful could have an Aston as their daily driver and an F40 for the weekend.... Although I'd find it mildly amusing if they were driving a pink Micra convertible or similar in the real world..

[TimJMS]

I enjoyed my recent test drive so can report that the SQ5 does indeed go like hot snot, but the interior and instrumentation is too dated now. Much of it looked very similar to my first 2006 Q7 and the vehicle proved to be not large enough for my requirements. For this reason I didn't even need to test the Macan. Also I've completely fallen out of love with modern diesels, and want them to just go away, so I passed on this model. It manages to be both new and antiquated at the same time. Needs a big refresh.

[SteveSteveson]

mrclav said:

SteveSteveson said:

mrclav said:

Absolutely spot on. One has to wonder if PHer's think that these manufacturers should pander to them and them only...

I don't think anyone has a problem with them being made. If there is a market then car makers should fill it and make money. The issue is PH focusing on such dross.

Please define that empirically - exactly how is a Macan "dross"? Have you driven one? Lived with one as a daily driver? If so, what was bad about the car? Please enlighten us all.

Just because you think so doesn't mean that is the case, that's simply your opinion. Any car that's had years spent in perfecting by some of the best engineering minds in the world can hardly be described as such.There are many on here for whom such a purchase is something very relevant to their situation and lifestyle.

Last time I checked, this site wasn't Evo. There are articles for everyone and every taste on here and I hope that it may continue this way. I don't particularly like SUVs and would never own one but that doesn't make someone who does them less of a "Pistonhead" than you or I.

It is fundamentally compromised for the sake of style. It has the suspension raised and additional weight for no reason other than styling. The only reason to buy one is for the style. They are not SUVs, with a good reason for those compromises. The engineers expend the effort trying to overcome the compromises made by the designers, making sure the cars are not quite as dull. I can't think of a single situation where there would not be a better car, and that's my problem with them.

Last time I checked this sites tag line was "Speed Matters". Kind of makes a statement about the site...

[vz-r_dave]

SteveSteveson said:

mrclav said:

SteveSteveson said:

mrclav said:

Absolutely spot on. One has to wonder if PHer's think that these manufacturers should pander to them and them only...

I don't think anyone has a problem with them being made. If there is a market then car makers should fill it and make money. The issue is PH focusing on such dross.

Please define that empirically - exactly how is a Macan "dross"? Have you driven one? Lived with one as a daily driver? If so, what was bad about the car? Please enlighten us all.

Just because you think so doesn't mean that is the case, that's simply your opinion. Any car that's had years spent in perfecting by some of the best engineering minds in the world can hardly be described as such.There are many on here for whom such a purchase is something very relevant to their situation and lifestyle.

Last time I checked, this site wasn't Evo. There are articles for everyone and every taste on here and I hope that it may continue this way. I don't particularly like SUVs and would never own one but that doesn't make someone who does them less of a "Pistonhead" than you or I.

It is fundamentally compromised for the sake of style. It has the suspension raised and additional weight for no reason other than styling. The only reason to buy one is for the style. They are not SUVs, with a good reason for those compromises. The engineers expend the effort trying to overcome the compromises made by the designers, making sure the cars are not quite as dull. I can't think of a single situation where there would not be a better car, and that's my problem with them.

Last time I checked this sites tag line was "Speed Matters". Kind of makes a statement about the site...

Well put!

[griffgrog]

SteveSteveson said:

It is fundamentally compromised for the sake of style. It has the suspension raised and additional weight for no reason other than styling. The only reason to buy one is for the style. They are not SUVs, with a good reason for those compromises. The engineers expend the effort trying to overcome the compromises made by the designers, making sure the cars are not quite as dull. I can't think of a single situation where there would not be a better car, and that's my problem with them.

Last time I checked this sites tag line was "Speed Matters". Kind of makes a statement about the site...

No it's not. What's the compromise? Have you driven it? Have you been round bends in it? Have you taken one on the track?

And it's a road car. I use mine to tow my race car with. It's good at that. I use it to drive to meetings, to friends, to have a spirited drive down B roads within the speed limts.

Now there may be cars that better suit YOUR needs, but for mine, it's great.

Out of interest, what car do you drive that suits your situation better?

[micksims]

As an SQ5 owner all I can say is don't knock it until you've tried it. I've owned everything from Civic Type R to F430 spider (including an Alfa!). When you got a family to cart around and still want something to embarrass hot hatches at the lights this thing ticks the boxes believe me.

Pictures also don't do it justice, I'm forever getting looks sat in traffic (especially from BMW owners) and notice the odd person look round when I drive past with the resonator active (sounding like a V8).
Its a motorway muncher, very comfortable, pulls away from most things and although I've often thought of chopping in for a new RS4, the double fuel cost doesn't justify for me.

[LasseV]

Jandywa said:

How can you call either of these cars ste

Everyone can call these cars utterly st if they want to have a car that:

A) Is spacious family hauler. Cargo space is very small in suvs, especially in these two.

B) Is fun to drive. This is obvious if you think about it.

C) Is capable off-roader or towing machine.

So what you really get if you buy q5 or Macan? High hp -numbers and pub bragging rights for sure. What else? I have to say that big wagons are much more nicer cars with better practicality and they are better to drive too.

Edited by LasseV on Sunday 12th April 18:43

[griffgrog]

LasseV said:

Everyone can call these cars utterly st if they want to have a car that:

A) Is spacious family hauler. Cargo space is very small in suvs, especially in these two.

B) Is fun to drive. This is obvious if you think about it.

C) Is capable off-roader or towing machine.

So what you really get if you buy q5 or Macan? High hp -numbers and pub bragging rights for sure. What else? I have to say that big wagons are much more nicer cars with better practicality and they are better to drive too.

Edited by LasseV on Sunday 12th April 18:43

I'm not sure I follow?

It's quite spacious. The boot is pretty big for a small SUV. Bigger than an Evoque for instance.
The Macan is great fun to drive.You can really press on through corners. It's fast enough and has a distinctly rear wheel drive bias to the handling..
It's comfortable, has a great ride and is big (and heavy) enough to tow my race car with it.

So I get an adequately spacious, comfortable, great fun car that great to drive, does good mpg. It's really very practical. Not a beauty though. The Evoque does look better.

[AshD]

I currently have a Q5, just the 225bhp petrol, manual having previously owned an Elise, V8 Esprit and 997 C2S and i can honestly say in comparison it is boring, but its what happens when kids come along!

I got the Q5 just before th SQ5 came along, but i did test drive one recently. I was hoping for it to be much more special than it turned out to be. It's quicker than my current Q5 but not by as much as i expected. Though it did make a decent noise for a diesel.

I did think about having a go in a Macan, but i don't think it'll be different enough to excite me.

I actually think i'm going to go piston-less and head for a Tesla S. Again not really sure it's a true 'PH' car, but it's pretty damn quick and very cheap to run (when you've got free charging at the office!). And Mrs D is just about to take delivery of her (stupid cheap lease deal) Golf R to satisfy me a little more.

I do have to recognise though that after about 2 yrs i get bored anyway - whatever it is!

[karma mechanic]

griffgrog said:

The Evoque does look better.

Squashed roof and huge wheels? It's scary that anyone could think an Evoque looks acceptable in any way. I do understand that sometimes bad is good. But an Evoque looking better than something?

(Disclaimer: I'm currently driving a Juke Nismo, so I probably have an affinity for weird cars. But not an Evoque...)

[AshD]

I currently have a Q5, just the 225bhp petrol, manual having previously owned an Elise, V8 Esprit and 997 C2S and i can honestly say in comparison it is boring, but its what happens when kids come along!

I got the Q5 just before th SQ5 came along, but i did test drive one recently. I was hoping for it to be much more special than it turned out to be. It's quicker than my current Q5 but not by as much as i expected. Though it did make a decent noise for a diesel.

I did think about having a go in a Macan, but i don't think it'll be different enough to excite me.

I actually think i'm going to go piston-less and head for a Tesla S. Again not really sure it's a true 'PH' car, but it's pretty damn quick and very cheap to run (when you've got free charging at the office!). And Mrs D is just about to take delivery of her (stupid cheap lease deal) Golf R to satisfy me a little more.

I do have to recognise though that after about 2 yrs i get bored anyway - whatever it is!