RE: Audi SQ5 vs Porsche Macan Diesel: Blood Bros

[mrclav]

10b0b said:

cheddar said:

These are two of the best all round cars for the money you can buy - they'll cosset on the commute, offer confidence and ability in compromised weather, ford small streams, eat gravel roads and muddy paddocks, waltz up to ski fields with impunity, they'll also knock off hundreds of miles in a day without breaking a sweat, tow two+ tons easily then offer serious pace and fun on challenging roads all whilst returning 35+mpg.

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cheddar said:

These are two of the best all round cars for the money you can buy - they'll be used to clog up streets outside schools so the sprogs don't have to walk more than 8 yards to the gate, by people who lack spatial awareness.

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[J4CKO]

I do "get" these cars, the crossover/sporty SUV is how the family car has evolved, it covers a hell of a lot of bases for the people that buy them.

It will carry a decent amount of people and stuff without being huge like a Q7, so can still be parked.

It will accelerate like a supercar of a few years ago (at least to sixty), even the 2.0 diesel is adequate for most.

It will ride reasonably well on poor road surfaces

it will deal with any weather that the UK can throw at it.

It looks ok and has a well regarded badge.

Crash it and you will probably be ok

It will be reliable

It will be comfortable

It will be reasonably economical (in fuel costs, if not others)

It can be had on a lease for a fixed monthly cost with no nasty surprises

[Joe M]

AshD said:

I currently have a Q5, just the 225bhp petrol, manual having previously owned an Elise, V8 Esprit and 997 C2S and i can honestly say in comparison it is boring, but its what happens when kids come along!

I got the Q5 just before th SQ5 came along, but i did test drive one recently. I was hoping for it to be much more special than it turned out to be. It's quicker than my current Q5 but not by as much as i expected. Though it did make a decent noise for a diesel.

I did think about having a go in a Macan, but i don't think it'll be different enough to excite me.

I actually think i'm going to go piston-less and head for a Tesla S. Again not really sure it's a true 'PH' car, but it's pretty damn quick and very cheap to run (when you've got free charging at the office!). And Mrs D is just about to take delivery of her (stupid cheap lease deal) Golf R to satisfy me a little more.

I do have to recognise though that after about 2 yrs i get bored anyway - whatever it is!

What's your real life fuel consumption from the 225? I'm tempted to get a q5 as the family wagon but can't bring myself to buying a diesel and don't do many miles.
Got an E46 M3 for fun so don't feel the need to go for an sq5,but can see the appeal.

[DirtyIrish]

Joe M said:

What's your real life fuel consumption from the 225? I'm tempted to get a q5 as the family wagon but can't bring myself to buying a diesel and don't do many miles.
Got an E46 M3 for fun so don't feel the need to go for an sq5,but can see the appeal.

Go for the SQ5 - i've driven one multiple times and it's great. For a diesel the noise is intoxicating, great for overtaking and just looks the business

[Joe M]

Won't be looking to spend 40+, should be able to get a well specced 225 for under 30.

[macky17]

I think this article poses a fascinating question: Why doesn't the PH' ometer run down to zero...?

Edited by macky17 on Monday 13th April 15:48

[red997]

I've just spent the morning in an OPC - my car was being serviced

I don't like the shape of the Macan.

However, if it props up some of the other models in the range, then I'm all for it.

I'll stick with what I've got, thank you very much.

I'm not sur why some are doubting the 0-60 times ?
seems feasible to me;
mine weighs 2 tons (nearly) and can get from 0-60 in a little over 3 seconds
bit more bhp though...

[Dr S]

A few weeks back I ordered a Macan Turbo as an "impulse purchase". Being a purist GT3 man myself I would never have thought this to happen. The only excuse is that the Macan is for my wife.

We need more space than in her MkI Cooper S, she liked the looks so we went for a spontaneous test drive when we passed the Porsche dealer one Saturday. I have always hated the SUV driving experience (too high seating position, too heavy, too indirect in its response, harsh ride with cumbersome handling etc.). But the Macan won me over. It has a compliant ride and really good handling - and that not only for this type of car/SUV.

I have ridiculed this type of car for eons too. But have a go in one and it is a really surprisingly good machine. My GT3/RSs are the last cars I'd ever sell. But as an allrounder the Macan Turbo is difficult to fault.

[Blanchie]

Wills2 said:

Different engine the SQ5 has the bi-turbo unit the Porsche makes do with the single turbo one.

The Porsche is down on power and torque compared to the Audi even if you take into account the weight different its 137hp/tonne vs. 163.

I don't doubt the Audi will do its numbers to 62 with 20% more power than the Macan, as an example the X3 35d does the sprint in 5.3 with slightly less hp/tonne than the Audi.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 13th April 11:58

I would like to know based on the quoted figure of 5.1 for the SQ5 how it gets there quicker than the A6 Bi T (quoted at 5.3)even though it's the same power plant but 100Kg or so heavier....Unless the gear ratios have been changed to get the headline figure.

Loving all this hate for TDi's and SUV's hahahaha

[BeirutTaxi]

Cruise control as an option on the Porsche.. It's standard on a sub £15k Suzuki Swift Sport!

[Wills2]

Blanchie said:

Wills2 said:

Different engine the SQ5 has the bi-turbo unit the Porsche makes do with the single turbo one.

The Porsche is down on power and torque compared to the Audi even if you take into account the weight different its 137hp/tonne vs. 163.

I don't doubt the Audi will do its numbers to 62 with 20% more power than the Macan, as an example the X3 35d does the sprint in 5.3 with slightly less hp/tonne than the Audi.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 13th April 11:58

I would like to know based on the quoted figure of 5.1 for the SQ5 how it gets there quicker than the A6 Bi T (quoted at 5.3)even though it's the same power plant but 100Kg or so heavier....Unless the gear ratios have been changed to get the headline figure.

Loving all this hate for TDi's and SUV's hahahaha

Latest A6 bi-turbo has 174hp/tonne does the 62 sprint in 5.0, so again all very much in the ball park, I see nothing to suggest the Q5 wont do its numbers.

Not sure why you do?

[Ashok]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious third contender here - the BMW Alpina XD3 BiTurbo. I considered both the SQ5 and Macan before deciding on the Alpina and I'm loving every moment of ownership so far. I've had the car almost six months now from new and it's just fabulous (and this from a serial ex-M5 owner). The thing pulls like a train (350hp/700nM/0-60 in under 5secs) and it's a special occasion every time you climb aboard. I love mine and would recommend it over the Audi & Porsche every time.. it's just that special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7U8wMGIadE

[Oz83]

ORD said:

Oz83 said:

Because to most people who buy these, the actual cost is cash deposit + £550ish a month. When you look at it like that, then mpg does become more relevant.

Nobody likes wasting money and a diesel engine in a car of this type makes sense. It's the petrol powered Turbo-S models that I really can't understand.

More noticeable, yes, but no more relevant. All a monthly payment plan does is increase the total cost, therefore reducing the proportion of that cost that is made up of fuel. So, if anything, fuel costs are even less relevant (albeit more obvious and seemingly important).

I can perfectly see the point of the Turbo S versions of these kind of cars. Insane straight-line acceleration is all that they really have going for them, but what else can a car like this have anyway? It's never going to be delicate or provide much feedback, so I can see the sense in maximising the one thing it can do as well as a sports car - go bloody fast in a straight line.

I would never in a million years want a diesel Macan, but (if money were no object) I wouldn't object to my wife buying the Turbo.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree :-) But if, like you say, the Macan is never going to be a sports car (other than is a straight line), why pay sports car fuel and running costs?

The absolute point of these cars is that they do everything well enough. The diesel engine fits in with this mantra - fast enough, frugal enough.

If money were no object I wouldn't be looking at Porchified Audi, my money would go on a Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 V8.

[sicasey]

My Father has an SQ5, it's an incredibly capable car. Yes I know that sound is "fake" but it is quite special.

Straight line speed considering the weight of the car is unbelievable.

I can't see how you can beat the load space, towing ability and performance for the money.

[Joe M]

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Ashok said:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious third contender here - the BMW Alpina XD3 BiTurbo. I considered both the SQ5 and Macan before deciding on the Alpina and I'm loving every moment of ownership so far. I've had the car almost six months now from new and it's just fabulous (and this from a serial ex-M5 owner). The thing pulls like a train (350hp/700nM/0-60 in under 5secs) and it's a special occasion every time you climb aboard. I love mine and would recommend it over the Audi & Porsche every time.. it's just that special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7U8wMGIadE

Very nice, but 60 grand for an x3!!!

[sideways sid]

So to conclude, the Porsche is a remap away from being the better car.

...or less-bad car, depending on your point of view!

[Cupramax]

sideways sid said:

So to conclude, the Porsche is a remap away from being the better car.

Unless you remap the SQ5

[LasseV]

sicasey said:

My Father has an SQ5, it's an incredibly capable car. Yes I know that sound is "fake" but it is quite special.

Straight line speed considering the weight of the car is unbelievable.

I can't see how you can beat the load space, towing ability and performance for the money.

535i wagon. Beats it in every category. Or similar kind of high performance basic wagon.

Edit: I dont know how much SQ5 tows (2000kg?), but beemer will tow 2100 kilos.

Edited by LasseV on Tuesday 14th April 15:23

Edited by LasseV on Tuesday 14th April 15:27

[herebebeasties]

griffgrog said:

I have a Macan S diesel and I think it's fantastic. It handles brilliantly, has seemingly limitless grip and the small SUV driving position is great. It's big enough in the back for primary school aged children, has a great ride (on air suspension) and even tows my race car trailer fine. That coupled with 35+ MPG and rock solid residuals, what's not to like?

Errr, the fact that it weighs nearly two tonnes and is a huge barge of a thing, yet you can only fit primary-school-aged kids in the back?

[Fittster]

red997 said:

However, if it props up some of the other models in the range, then I'm all for it.

Every time Porsche release a VAG badge special someone rolls out this line. I thought Porsche had stated that no models in the range are subsidized by any others.