One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
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The absolute idiot in the black RR sport in Belfast City Centre the other morning. Roaring up a narrow street at 40 mph, indicating into a side street. Poor girl walks out assuming shes safe as you are turning in like your indicator is indicating and almost bounces off the bonnet!
It did stop in an incredibly short distance though!
It did stop in an incredibly short distance though!
yellowjack said:
I don't like cars behind me. No sensible cyclist does on an open road. I still 'give an elbow' hoping that the driver will recognise the "I'd like you to lead" gesture, but most don't.
I'm a cyclist and I've also been driving for 30 years, (ouch), but I wasn't aware of this.Like you, I don't like holding traffic up.
This'll sound like a stupid question but how do you go about executing 'giving and elbow'?
AJXX1 said:
The DVLA.
Trying to transfer a private plate from one car to another (I'm the registered keeper for both).
Stupid system would not allow me to do it online (because that would be far to easy wouldn't it?). After a live chat with one of their advisors (admittedly I was impressed by this part) I was told which forms to post off to have it done. As the 1st car had been untaxed for more than 3 months in the last 5 years (before I owned it) it could not be done online, okay.... Instead I had to fill in a load of forms and stick an 80 quid cheque in the post.
2 weeks later they've returned my application along with a letter saying I need to send them the logbooks.
So why are they knobs? I hear you ask. Well, stapled to the back of their very helpful letter was BOTH OF THE REQUIRED LOGBOOKS. FFS you've stapled them to your letter so you must have seen them!
What a waste of bloody time! Going to have to post it off again on Tuesday. Now I'm in for another bloody 2 week+ wait because some DVLA numpty needs to visit spec savers.
Why in this day and age to do I have to do this crap by post? - so what if the car has been untaxed at some point in the last 5 years? Hell, you could at least let me pay online and give me some sort of ref number to write on the forms so I don't have to wait for a cheque to clear before you do the application. Crikey, it's not 1980!
You could even just automatically electronically transfer everything to one of your advisors should the online application fail, after all you already have the required details; ergo they've then got everything they need to do whatever the hell they do quickly and the payment has already been taken by the online system. Instead you just bin people out completely and tell them to send off a form in the post - WHY you've already been provided the details, your online system should take payment then forward the application to an advisor to process manually - surely this saves time and admin for both you and us (the motorists)???
Sort it out DVLA! Cheques, postal applications, 2-4 week waits - It's 2016 not 19-chuffing-80 you bunch of cretins!
Try getting your licence back after having it taken off you for medical reasons. Took 8 months due to things like having to complete what is basically the same form twice, with a 2-3 month gap in between due to the delays at their end. After getting a letter stating they have received my paperwork and doctors report, and they would review it in the next 16 weeks, I pointed out the cheque I'd had to send was deducted straight away and a few other things. As I wasn't particularly polite, I thought I made a mistake after I pressed send on the email and it would have ended up taking longer. My licence turned up 2 days later, but 16 weeks on top of the 8 months it took would have meant a year to get it back.Trying to transfer a private plate from one car to another (I'm the registered keeper for both).
Stupid system would not allow me to do it online (because that would be far to easy wouldn't it?). After a live chat with one of their advisors (admittedly I was impressed by this part) I was told which forms to post off to have it done. As the 1st car had been untaxed for more than 3 months in the last 5 years (before I owned it) it could not be done online, okay.... Instead I had to fill in a load of forms and stick an 80 quid cheque in the post.
2 weeks later they've returned my application along with a letter saying I need to send them the logbooks.
So why are they knobs? I hear you ask. Well, stapled to the back of their very helpful letter was BOTH OF THE REQUIRED LOGBOOKS. FFS you've stapled them to your letter so you must have seen them!
What a waste of bloody time! Going to have to post it off again on Tuesday. Now I'm in for another bloody 2 week+ wait because some DVLA numpty needs to visit spec savers.
Why in this day and age to do I have to do this crap by post? - so what if the car has been untaxed at some point in the last 5 years? Hell, you could at least let me pay online and give me some sort of ref number to write on the forms so I don't have to wait for a cheque to clear before you do the application. Crikey, it's not 1980!
You could even just automatically electronically transfer everything to one of your advisors should the online application fail, after all you already have the required details; ergo they've then got everything they need to do whatever the hell they do quickly and the payment has already been taken by the online system. Instead you just bin people out completely and tell them to send off a form in the post - WHY you've already been provided the details, your online system should take payment then forward the application to an advisor to process manually - surely this saves time and admin for both you and us (the motorists)???
Sort it out DVLA! Cheques, postal applications, 2-4 week waits - It's 2016 not 19-chuffing-80 you bunch of cretins!
Edited by AJXX1 on Sunday 29th May 14:11
Edited by AJXX1 on Sunday 29th May 14:13
Edited by AJXX1 on Sunday 29th May 14:17
1.) People who were sat in lane 2 of the m25 on Sunday afternoon doing 60 whilst lane 1 was clear and there were no speed restrictions.
2.) People who smoke and don't want THEIR car to smell so hold the cigarette outside their car so the smoke drifts behind them and into the face of some on in a convertible/motorbike / cycle behind them.
2.) People who smoke and don't want THEIR car to smell so hold the cigarette outside their car so the smoke drifts behind them and into the face of some on in a convertible/motorbike / cycle behind them.
opieoilman said:
AJXX1 said:
The DVLA.
Trying to transfer a private plate from one car to another (I'm the registered keeper for both).
Stupid system would not allow me to do it online (because that would be far to easy wouldn't it?). After a live chat with one of their advisors (admittedly I was impressed by this part) I was told which forms to post off to have it done. As the 1st car had been untaxed for more than 3 months in the last 5 years (before I owned it) it could not be done online, okay.... Instead I had to fill in a load of forms and stick an 80 quid cheque in the post.
2 weeks later they've returned my application along with a letter saying I need to send them the logbooks.
So why are they knobs? I hear you ask. Well, stapled to the back of their very helpful letter was BOTH OF THE REQUIRED LOGBOOKS. FFS you've stapled them to your letter so you must have seen them!
What a waste of bloody time! Going to have to post it off again on Tuesday. Now I'm in for another bloody 2 week+ wait because some DVLA numpty needs to visit spec savers.
Why in this day and age to do I have to do this crap by post? - so what if the car has been untaxed at some point in the last 5 years? Hell, you could at least let me pay online and give me some sort of ref number to write on the forms so I don't have to wait for a cheque to clear before you do the application. Crikey, it's not 1980!
You could even just automatically electronically transfer everything to one of your advisors should the online application fail, after all you already have the required details; ergo they've then got everything they need to do whatever the hell they do quickly and the payment has already been taken by the online system. Instead you just bin people out completely and tell them to send off a form in the post - WHY you've already been provided the details, your online system should take payment then forward the application to an advisor to process manually - surely this saves time and admin for both you and us (the motorists)???
Sort it out DVLA! Cheques, postal applications, 2-4 week waits - It's 2016 not 19-chuffing-80 you bunch of cretins!
Try getting your licence back after having it taken off you for medical reasons. Took 8 months due to things like having to complete what is basically the same form twice, with a 2-3 month gap in between due to the delays at their end. After getting a letter stating they have received my paperwork and doctors report, and they would review it in the next 16 weeks, I pointed out the cheque I'd had to send was deducted straight away and a few other things. As I wasn't particularly polite, I thought I made a mistake after I pressed send on the email and it would have ended up taking longer. My licence turned up 2 days later, but 16 weeks on top of the 8 months it took would have meant a year to get it back.Trying to transfer a private plate from one car to another (I'm the registered keeper for both).
Stupid system would not allow me to do it online (because that would be far to easy wouldn't it?). After a live chat with one of their advisors (admittedly I was impressed by this part) I was told which forms to post off to have it done. As the 1st car had been untaxed for more than 3 months in the last 5 years (before I owned it) it could not be done online, okay.... Instead I had to fill in a load of forms and stick an 80 quid cheque in the post.
2 weeks later they've returned my application along with a letter saying I need to send them the logbooks.
So why are they knobs? I hear you ask. Well, stapled to the back of their very helpful letter was BOTH OF THE REQUIRED LOGBOOKS. FFS you've stapled them to your letter so you must have seen them!
What a waste of bloody time! Going to have to post it off again on Tuesday. Now I'm in for another bloody 2 week+ wait because some DVLA numpty needs to visit spec savers.
Why in this day and age to do I have to do this crap by post? - so what if the car has been untaxed at some point in the last 5 years? Hell, you could at least let me pay online and give me some sort of ref number to write on the forms so I don't have to wait for a cheque to clear before you do the application. Crikey, it's not 1980!
You could even just automatically electronically transfer everything to one of your advisors should the online application fail, after all you already have the required details; ergo they've then got everything they need to do whatever the hell they do quickly and the payment has already been taken by the online system. Instead you just bin people out completely and tell them to send off a form in the post - WHY you've already been provided the details, your online system should take payment then forward the application to an advisor to process manually - surely this saves time and admin for both you and us (the motorists)???
Sort it out DVLA! Cheques, postal applications, 2-4 week waits - It's 2016 not 19-chuffing-80 you bunch of cretins!
Edited by AJXX1 on Sunday 29th May 14:11
Edited by AJXX1 on Sunday 29th May 14:13
Edited by AJXX1 on Sunday 29th May 14:17
Try to retain number plate online, cannot do so due to licensing status of the vehicle, quick call to ask what exactly that means and told must be due to a break in tax and advised to apply via post.
Duly apply by post, 1 week later receive a letter informing me that DVLA are very sorry but due to an error they have cancelled my vehicle tax, that I cannot do it online and that I must phone immediately (at this point I am in HONG KONG!) to re-tax the vehicle. Spend a fortune on long distance calls arranging new tax, forced to buy 6 months despite wanting to pay monthly and asked repeatedly for the details on my V5 (THE DVLA HAVE THE DAMN V5...I SENT IT TO THEM!). Oh and how delightful, when I return from holiday I get a call from the garage arranging the number plate retention telling me that the application has been rejected due to no vehicle tax. Another phone call to the DVLA and they seem entirely disinterested that the entire situation has been caused by their inability to renew a direct debit and advised to post off the forms again with another £80 cheque. Fast forward to today (3.5 weeks from the date the application was first sent off) and I still have no retention document. I almost entirely give up with them but unfortunately have an interest in retaining the fairly unique number plate.
Just a general observation, and nothing to do with cars, but has anyone noticed how many women at a supermarket checkout seem to fail to anticipate that they will have to pay for the goods they have selected, and never seem to have their cash or card ready, which is then followed by a rummage through their handbags for the means to pay the bill?
The nearest automotive equivalent are those stopped at the front of the queue at traffic lights, for whom the appearance of the Green light seems to be something of a shock to them, requiring ages to register that the light has turned green, and even longer to put the car in gear, take off the park brake and move forward.
Surely any half competent motorist either checks the colour of the lights for other traffic direction, or uses time to anticipate that their lights are about to turn green, and is prepared to move off when their light turns green?
The nearest automotive equivalent are those stopped at the front of the queue at traffic lights, for whom the appearance of the Green light seems to be something of a shock to them, requiring ages to register that the light has turned green, and even longer to put the car in gear, take off the park brake and move forward.
Surely any half competent motorist either checks the colour of the lights for other traffic direction, or uses time to anticipate that their lights are about to turn green, and is prepared to move off when their light turns green?
Big Rod said:
yellowjack said:
I don't like cars behind me. No sensible cyclist does on an open road. I still 'give an elbow' hoping that the driver will recognise the "I'd like you to lead" gesture, but most don't.
I'm a cyclist and I've also been driving for 30 years, (ouch), but I wasn't aware of this.Like you, I don't like holding traffic up.
This'll sound like a stupid question but how do you go about executing 'giving and elbow'?
What they don't realise is, that for everyone's safety, ..the decision about when its safe to pass them is mine and mine alone.. That's why I don't overtake you when you wave at me guys.. Maybe you can see further ahead from your perspective, but if I can't, I'll stay put and tailgate you!
exitwound said:
I get a lot of cyclists on the 'b' roads in the sticks where we live, and they often ride two abreast and wave back to me to pass them..
What they don't realise is, that for everyone's safety, ..the decision about when its safe to pass them is mine and mine alone.. That's why I don't overtake you when you wave at me guys.. Maybe you can see further ahead from your perspective, but if I can't, I'll stay put and tailgate you!
I don't disagree with you but...What they don't realise is, that for everyone's safety, ..the decision about when its safe to pass them is mine and mine alone.. That's why I don't overtake you when you wave at me guys.. Maybe you can see further ahead from your perspective, but if I can't, I'll stay put and tailgate you!
...At very least, it gives the driver of the following vehicle an early warning that he should be able to overtake and maybe carry out his downshift, indicate, check mirrors, (if they haven't already done so), so that as soon as they can confirm it's clear they can be off and take best advantage of the available opportunity.
FWIW, I try not to gauge other drivers abilities and even if an opportunity appears where I know I could make it past, I'll refrain from giving any direction if there's any doubt at all they'd make it. Only if the road is completely clear for 1/4 mile or so I'll try and help out.
You're right though, no driver should take the directions of any other road user as read. It's up to them/you to make the judgement call.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The nearest automotive equivalent are those stopped at the front of the queue at traffic lights, for whom the appearance of the Green light seems to be something of a shock to them, requiring ages to register that the light has turned green, and even longer to put the car in gear, take off the park brake and move forward.
Surely any half competent motorist either checks the colour of the lights for other traffic direction, or uses time to anticipate that their lights are about to turn green, and is prepared to move off when their light turns green?
I'd add to that list the person behind the person who appears to be surprised by the green light ( I suspect continued addiction to checking their smart phone is usally the cause ), who just sits their like a lemon behind the light blocker, for some reason I often seem to be the only person willing to give a short peep of the horn to get the light blockers attention. Surely any half competent motorist either checks the colour of the lights for other traffic direction, or uses time to anticipate that their lights are about to turn green, and is prepared to move off when their light turns green?
I'm already in a low gear behind the bikes as they're only doing about 15mph, but as we also get a lot of motorcycles and hot hatches enjoying the well surfaced twisty lanes too, I need a really good look ahead to make sure that no-ones coming the other way at a fair lick..
The cyclists insistence to ride two abreast (sometimes three!) in all situations doesn't really help though, but I can understand it as its a very beautiful part of the world around KA19.
The cyclists insistence to ride two abreast (sometimes three!) in all situations doesn't really help though, but I can understand it as its a very beautiful part of the world around KA19.
Golf drivers who can't go above 50mph.
Golf drivers who brake for cars coming the other way.
Golf drivers who can't maintain speed. Going from 35 to a terrifying 50 and braking back down again.
Golf drivers who are oblivious to the f
king huge tailback they are making.
tts who won't overtake said arse biscuit of a driver cause they are also ste at driving.
Said driver made me very late for a date I had planned. Luckily she knows my timekeeping is rather poor.
I may as well include myself as a knob as I really should just ask her out properly.
Golf drivers who brake for cars coming the other way.
Golf drivers who can't maintain speed. Going from 35 to a terrifying 50 and braking back down again.
Golf drivers who are oblivious to the f
king huge tailback they are making.t
ts who won't overtake said arse biscuit of a driver cause they are also ste at driving.Said driver made me very late for a date I had planned. Luckily she knows my timekeeping is rather poor.
I may as well include myself as a knob as I really should just ask her out properly.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just a general observation, and nothing to do with cars, but has anyone noticed how many women at a supermarket checkout seem to fail to anticipate that they will have to pay for the goods they have selected, and never seem to have their cash or card ready, which is then followed by a rummage through their handbags for the means to pay the bill?
The nearest automotive equivalent are those stopped at the front of the queue at traffic lights, for whom the appearance of the Green light seems to be something of a shock to them, requiring ages to register that the light has turned green, and even longer to put the car in gear, take off the park brake and move forward.
Surely any half competent motorist either checks the colour of the lights for other traffic direction, or uses time to anticipate that their lights are about to turn green, and is prepared to move off when their light turns green?
Pah, wait until you're stuck behind some lady, who goes into her purse looking for a 'Sparks' card. I'd never seen so many credit cards, well into double figures. Anyway.. minutes pass, hands over her 'Sparks' card for her <drum roll> 20 pence saving ( on a £80 shop ) , then faffs on packing her small island of debt away. Whilst returning to the car park, I notice the same lady emptying her purchases into a brand new Range Rover Vogue. Not sure if she was the nanny or just a credit junkie.The nearest automotive equivalent are those stopped at the front of the queue at traffic lights, for whom the appearance of the Green light seems to be something of a shock to them, requiring ages to register that the light has turned green, and even longer to put the car in gear, take off the park brake and move forward.
Surely any half competent motorist either checks the colour of the lights for other traffic direction, or uses time to anticipate that their lights are about to turn green, and is prepared to move off when their light turns green?
A.J.M said:
Golf drivers who can't go above 50mph.
Golf drivers who brake for cars coming the other way.
Golf drivers who can't maintain speed. Going from 35 to a terrifying 50 and braking back down again.
Golf drivers who are oblivious to the fking huge tailback they are making.
Sounds a bit like my wife when she drives my Golf R! Terribly slow and unsure in it...Golf drivers who brake for cars coming the other way.
Golf drivers who can't maintain speed. Going from 35 to a terrifying 50 and braking back down again.
Golf drivers who are oblivious to the f
king huge tailback they are making.Big Rod said:
yellowjack said:
I don't like cars behind me. No sensible cyclist does on an open road. I still 'give an elbow' hoping that the driver will recognise the "I'd like you to lead" gesture, but most don't.
I'm a cyclist and I've also been driving for 30 years, (ouch), but I wasn't aware of this.Like you, I don't like holding traffic up.
This'll sound like a stupid question but how do you go about executing 'giving and elbow'?
Prat in an SLK 200 who sat up my arse today whilst going round a roundabout and then in L1 of the DC for several mins, getting right up my arse and backing off again continually, before entering L2 and speeding off. Seemed like a pathetic attempt to gode me into a race. Not sure why as I'm 95% sure my CLK would have obliterated him and his stupid looking big head in such a pathetically small car (seriously I wonder if someone had to crowbar him in!), but I simply could not be arsed.
Also, special shout out to the Honda Jazz (of course) driven by Doris (age circa 70-80) last night who crawled along a country road at a pitiful speed and added circa 10 mins to my journey home due to her inability to make progress at more than 20 MPH on an otherwise perfectly safe road with clear NSL signs. Mandatory re-tests for 70+ please!
Also, special shout out to the Honda Jazz (of course) driven by Doris (age circa 70-80) last night who crawled along a country road at a pitiful speed and added circa 10 mins to my journey home due to her inability to make progress at more than 20 MPH on an otherwise perfectly safe road with clear NSL signs. Mandatory re-tests for 70+ please!
Edited by AJXX1 on Tuesday 31st May 16:59
Big Rod said:
exitwound said:
I get a lot of cyclists on the 'b' roads in the sticks where we live, and they often ride two abreast and wave back to me to pass them..
What they don't realise is, that for everyone's safety, ..the decision about when its safe to pass them is mine and mine alone.. That's why I don't overtake you when you wave at me guys.. Maybe you can see further ahead from your perspective, but if I can't, I'll stay put and tailgate you!
I don't disagree with you but...What they don't realise is, that for everyone's safety, ..the decision about when its safe to pass them is mine and mine alone.. That's why I don't overtake you when you wave at me guys.. Maybe you can see further ahead from your perspective, but if I can't, I'll stay put and tailgate you!
...At very least, it gives the driver of the following vehicle an early warning that he should be able to overtake and maybe carry out his downshift, indicate, check mirrors, (if they haven't already done so), so that as soon as they can confirm it's clear they can be off and take best advantage of the available opportunity.
FWIW, I try not to gauge other drivers abilities and even if an opportunity appears where I know I could make it past, I'll refrain from giving any direction if there's any doubt at all they'd make it. Only if the road is completely clear for 1/4 mile or so I'll try and help out.
You're right though, no driver should take the directions of any other road user as read. It's up to them/you to make the judgement call.
Low marks all round for some of the drivers who were "stuck behind" me on my 125 mile cycling epic yesterday. Dude? Really? It's a full width road, two lanes wide, clearly marked with a centre line and everything. We're not talking 'Single Lane With Passing Places' here. Add the fact that it's pretty damned straight, and I have to ask why it sounds like you're revving the tits off you Honda FR-V in first gear, and staying behind me? FFS, you could have overtaken me with a car coming the opposite way and still have had space to complete. You, Sir, are a tit, creating friction where there need not be any.
Plenty of low-level knobbery witnessed yesterday, but the cream of the crop was the driver of the silver Audi estate between Saffron Walden and Finchingfield. I swerved big-time to avoid a large inspection/access cover. It was a planned 'swerve' though, with nothing on the road behind me, and I stayed completely in my own lane. The idiot in the Audi, coming from the opposite direction leaned right on that horn button in response. I'm ever so f
king sorry! Begging your pardon, but all bloody day I've been passed far closer than that by overtaking cars in the same direction as me, and even been faced with some dhead overtaking from the opposite direction. Yet when I dare to avoid a rim-ruining dropped inspection cover, but remain safely and entirely within my lane, you take exception to that? I hope your sump plug falls out, ya idiot! 
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