One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
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WD39 said:
Blown2CV said:
actually you should absolutely consider that everyone else on the road has no f
king clue what they are doing and/or haven't seen you. That is the task of defensive driving. WD39 i am really confused and alarmed by your posts sometimes.
YOU'RE confused and alarmed!king clue what they are doing and/or haven't seen you. That is the task of defensive driving. WD39 i am really confused and alarmed by your posts sometimes. 
Blown2CV said:
you're clearly insane. If I saw someone doing that I'd assume they'd dun fukt up and were going to do a u-turn around the mini roundabout.
Thank you for proving my point. Better you assume I'm going right round the roundabout than taking the exit you're waiting at so you pull out in front of me.
Don't get me wrong, I don't do it all the time just when you get "that" feeling about the other driver. You know the sort; approached the roundabout/junction at warp speed in an attempt to get in front of you. Or the other one that doesn't seem to check both ways before they pull out.
Anything I can do to mitigate one of these muppets colliding with me then I'm going to do it.
As for WD39...
Edited by Centurion07 on Sunday 25th September 20:17
Edited by Centurion07 on Sunday 25th September 20:18
The brain-dead munter in a 218i who I encountered on Saturday wins my knob of the week award (can we use the term 'knob' for a female?).
Driving along the A5 Eastbound towards the A5 / A49 junction east of Shrewsbury. Normal dual carriageway, with a filter lane for the A49. I was driving at around the speed limit on the A5, then filtering for the A49 Mrs Knob was determined to overtake me in L2, except she 'forgot' her intention to take the A49 filter..... Followed by the usual violent swerve and hard braking directly in front of me - forced me onto the brakes so hard to avoid her that some of the contents of the rear shelf bounced off the back of my seat. She accompanied all of this with a raised finger.......
Driving along the A5 Eastbound towards the A5 / A49 junction east of Shrewsbury. Normal dual carriageway, with a filter lane for the A49. I was driving at around the speed limit on the A5, then filtering for the A49 Mrs Knob was determined to overtake me in L2, except she 'forgot' her intention to take the A49 filter..... Followed by the usual violent swerve and hard braking directly in front of me - forced me onto the brakes so hard to avoid her that some of the contents of the rear shelf bounced off the back of my seat. She accompanied all of this with a raised finger.......
The wally in an A4 convertible yesterday. Sat at 40 in the outside lane of the North Circular before finally moving over.
A few miles on he appears in the left lane of the slip road next to me. Left lane becomes left turn at roundabout. He proceeds to cut across two lanes on the roundabout so as to turn right instead and eventually comes off at "1 o'clock" where I'm going, while still in the wrong lane.
He was very calm the whole time. I really do wonder what planet people live on.
A few miles on he appears in the left lane of the slip road next to me. Left lane becomes left turn at roundabout. He proceeds to cut across two lanes on the roundabout so as to turn right instead and eventually comes off at "1 o'clock" where I'm going, while still in the wrong lane.
He was very calm the whole time. I really do wonder what planet people live on.
Centurion07 said:
The idea is to confuse them into not pulling out in front of you. 
No signal: where's he going?
Signal right: unlikely to be turning left.
Right or wrong, someone is less likely to pull in front of you if you don't give them a reason to assume you're taking their exit.
I do this (use indicators).No signal: where's he going?
Signal right: unlikely to be turning left.
Right or wrong, someone is less likely to pull in front of you if you don't give them a reason to assume you're taking their exit.
By definition, indicators are for 'indicating to others' that you are soon to be changing direction.
You could assume that all cars who don't indicate are just intending to perpetually driving around the roundabout until they run out of petrol.
About a third of people indicate only as they are about to turn left, which would work if everybody did that. But, another third don't bother and simply rely on other people being cautious/treating them like idiots.
I always indicate on a roundabout, unless I am going straight over at 180 +/- 10degrees as that's how I was taught to navigate roundabouts.
If I am going to be exiting at 190deg or more, I indicate right, until 'just after' the previous exit, where I will start indicating left to let people know that I am no longer carrying on around the roundabout, to a another junction..
By some form of dark magic and/or pagan ritual of indicator stalk movement, I don't seem to be plagued by hordes of people pulling out on me. (It could just be a coincidence though
)Hol said:
Centurion07 said:
The idea is to confuse them into not pulling out in front of you.
No signal: where's he going?
Signal right: unlikely to be turning left.
Right or wrong, someone is less likely to pull in front of you if you don't give them a reason to assume you're taking their exit.
By definition, indicators are for 'indicating to others' that you are soon to be changing direction. No signal: where's he going?
Signal right: unlikely to be turning left.
Right or wrong, someone is less likely to pull in front of you if you don't give them a reason to assume you're taking their exit.
You could assume that all cars who don't indicate are just intending to perpetually driving around the roundabout until they run out of petrol.
About a third of people indicate only as they are about to turn left, which would work if everybody did that. But, another third don't bother and simply rely on other people being cautious/treating them like idiots.
I always indicate on a roundabout, unless I am going straight over at 180 +/- 10degrees as that's how I was taught to navigate roundabouts.
If I am going to be exiting at 190deg or more, I indicate right, until 'just after' the previous exit, where I will start indicating left to let people know that I am no longer carrying on around the roundabout, to a another junction..
By some form of dark magic and/or pagan ritual of indicator stalk movement, I don't seem to be plagued by hordes of people pulling out on me. (It could just be a coincidence though
)Deliberately confusing other vehicles tends not to go well in the long run.
Edited by swisstoni on Monday 26th September 11:24
Edited by swisstoni on Monday 26th September 11:25
Hol said:
By definition, indicators are for 'indicating to others' that you are soon to be changing direction.
This^ is what I mean by "confusing" them.If I don't indicate then it's fair to say some idiots assume I'm taking their exit and will pull out in front of me.
If I indicate right (on a roundabout where there's only 2 exits, not including the one I joined from) then it says "I am definitely not turning left so stay your arse there!".
I always indicate when leaving a roundabout so anybody waiting at another exit can see I'm leaving the roundabout and are therefore free to proceed.
The complete idiot in the Clyde Property van behind me today.
I spot an ambulance coming up behind us fast, full lights & music,so accelerate to make sure I get past the hump back bridge before he catches up & then I pull in to a wide junction,as does the car in front of me. Not Mr Clyde, no, he overtakes me and just as he reaches the guy in front,FINALLY twigs that there is a bloody big truck in a bloody big hurry behind him,so swerves a bit in,and slams on the brakes,just at a traffic island. Ambulance has to brake hard & swerve badly to avoid him.
Idiot then just bimbles back along the road.
There was one of these on the back
But there WAS one driving it
I spot an ambulance coming up behind us fast, full lights & music,so accelerate to make sure I get past the hump back bridge before he catches up & then I pull in to a wide junction,as does the car in front of me. Not Mr Clyde, no, he overtakes me and just as he reaches the guy in front,FINALLY twigs that there is a bloody big truck in a bloody big hurry behind him,so swerves a bit in,and slams on the brakes,just at a traffic island. Ambulance has to brake hard & swerve badly to avoid him.
Idiot then just bimbles back along the road.
There was one of these on the back
But there WAS one driving it
WD39 said:
SlimJim16v said:
I agree with everyone as an idiot.
Wow, there seem to be a lot of confused, insane, alarmed, paranoid retarded muppets out there.I'm glad I live and drive in a nice quiet corner of the Kingdom.
No-one is saying you need to dis-trust people in all of your day-to-day life, just in DRIVING. It isn't personal... and that's point... you've no f
king idea who all of these other people are... you might be forced to interact with thousands of them in a single journey so even if 1% of them are st (it's probably more like 50%++) that's still 10 drivers in every 1000 that could kill you. Them being behind the wheel of a car is no guarantee of them even being a license-holder or being in possession of insurance, let alone good driving skills and awareness. Sorry WD39 I just think you're clueless, and this is an opinion built up over a while in this thread, not just because of the trust topic.
Blown2CV said:
i'm glad you do too, as you're clearly an absolute hazard with your slow driving, APIS founder-membership and misplaced trust in complete strangers. To be honest maybe you are unwittingly proving my point - you might trust others, but you are the type of driver that sounds like the reason why it's good to not trust other drivers.
No-one is saying you need to dis-trust people in all of your day-to-day life, just in DRIVING. It isn't personal... and that's point... you've no fking idea who all of these other people are... you might be forced to interact with thousands of them in a single journey so even if 1% of them are st (it's probably more like 50%++) that's still 10 drivers in every 1000 that could kill you. Them being behind the wheel of a car is no guarantee of them even being a license-holder or being in possession of insurance, let alone good driving skills and awareness.
Sorry WD39 I just think you're clueless, and this is an opinion built up over a while in this thread, not just because of the trust topic.
No-one is saying you need to dis-trust people in all of your day-to-day life, just in DRIVING. It isn't personal... and that's point... you've no f
king idea who all of these other people are... you might be forced to interact with thousands of them in a single journey so even if 1% of them are st (it's probably more like 50%++) that's still 10 drivers in every 1000 that could kill you. Them being behind the wheel of a car is no guarantee of them even being a license-holder or being in possession of insurance, let alone good driving skills and awareness. Sorry WD39 I just think you're clueless, and this is an opinion built up over a while in this thread, not just because of the trust topic.
Motion seconded.Furthermore, it was almost the 1st thing my driving instructor said to me.
Never trust someone's indicator is signalling their true intention.
The inbred backwards idiot riding a stupidly small bike who came off the path onto the road right in front of me (without so much as looking) a few days ago. I had to do an emergency stop to avoid using the idiots face as a sponge and wiping the road with it whilst dragging it under my bumper, which upon reflection and how he somehow found nearly being obliterated absolutely hilarious, may not have been a bad thing after all.
AJXX1 said:
The inbred backwards idiot riding a stupidly small bike who came off the path onto the road right in front of me (without so much as looking) a few days ago. I had to do an emergency stop to avoid using the idiots face as a sponge and wiping the road with it whilst dragging it under my bumper, which upon reflection and how he somehow found nearly being obliterated absolutely hilarious, may not have been a bad thing after all.
The laughing thing is a sort of reflex actionMuppets like this guy who perform ill-judged u-turns on busy London streets. I drove from west London to Croydon and back yesterday and had 3 instances of this:
1) Brand new Range Rover who chose to do his right after turning off a junction, only he couldn't complete the manoeuvre because of queueing traffic on the other side, so just sat there, blocking both lanes of traffic as the queue behind him built up to the point where the other side could not move forward, and therefore we were boxed in. Took someone actually standing at his drivers door shouting at him to make the corrective move.
2) Uber driver who apparently didn't give a fk about on-coming traffic (do they ever?) and made an un-signalled sharp turn causing a driver coming the other way to swerve. Honking of horns and shaking of coffee beans ensued.
3) S-class private hire decided to perform a turn on a narrow 2-way street where there wasn't space for 2-way traffic without someone having to give way. Said driver didn't see me already coming down the street when he pulled out in front to start the manoeuvre. Then he saw me and realised he wouldn't be able to get past me, so just sat there, looking at me as if I should click my fingers and disappear into thin air.
Tossers, all of them.
1) Brand new Range Rover who chose to do his right after turning off a junction, only he couldn't complete the manoeuvre because of queueing traffic on the other side, so just sat there, blocking both lanes of traffic as the queue behind him built up to the point where the other side could not move forward, and therefore we were boxed in. Took someone actually standing at his drivers door shouting at him to make the corrective move.
2) Uber driver who apparently didn't give a f
k about on-coming traffic (do they ever?) and made an un-signalled sharp turn causing a driver coming the other way to swerve. Honking of horns and shaking of coffee beans ensued. 3) S-class private hire decided to perform a turn on a narrow 2-way street where there wasn't space for 2-way traffic without someone having to give way. Said driver didn't see me already coming down the street when he pulled out in front to start the manoeuvre. Then he saw me and realised he wouldn't be able to get past me, so just sat there, looking at me as if I should click my fingers and disappear into thin air.
Tossers, all of them.
Worse than the 'U' turns thing is utter wkers who think they have some God-given right to pull out halfway while turning right from a side road, then sit there blocking traffic from their right because a queue in the lane they want to join prevents them clearing the other lane. Especially when they then get a stty on with the drivers they are blocking.
It IS "causing an obstruction".
It IS an offence.
You ARE a tt if you've ever done it.
I don't give a flying fk how long you may have to wait to turn out if you don't block the road. That's your problem. Take another route, maybe one with traffic light control. Maybe just turn left, then make a right turn and go 'around the block' to make a left out onto the road you want? There are many options available, all but one of them means you won't obstruct traffic. Why choose the only option that does cause delays? Especially when those delays definitely WILL block up the junction I've just driven over, and therefore make it less likely that you'll get out of the way any time soon.
The worst offenders are those who insist on turning right out onto a larger road when there's a fking roundabout in spitting distance to your left. Most especially when I'm stuck behind them, and can't turn left to use the roundabout because the knob turning right is positioned centrally, instead of right up to the right of the lane.
And to the Mercedes driver who did the lane blocking thing to me in Lincolnshire last week? Swearing at me for blasting my horn at you just makes you look like an even bigger moron than I already thought you were. Causing me to brake AT ALL when pulling out to block my path was a stupid and very selfish thing to do. Doing so so late that it caused me to brake hard enough to require ABS assistance? Very stupid indeed. If I wasn't paying attention, and half expecting such stupidity, you'd have ended up wearing a Mondeo, you stupid. It's no lightweight, and if I'd hit you at speed you'd have very swiftly had that gormless smirk wiped from you fat, ugly mush. I hope that next time you try it, you meet someone just as ignorant as you. It'd make for a interesting conversation in A&E, that's for sure...
kers who think they have some God-given right to pull out halfway while turning right from a side road, then sit there blocking traffic from their right because a queue in the lane they want to join prevents them clearing the other lane. Especially when they then get a stty on with the drivers they are blocking.It IS "causing an obstruction".
It IS an offence.
You ARE a t
t if you've ever done it.I don't give a flying f
k how long you may have to wait to turn out if you don't block the road. That's your problem. Take another route, maybe one with traffic light control. Maybe just turn left, then make a right turn and go 'around the block' to make a left out onto the road you want? There are many options available, all but one of them means you won't obstruct traffic. Why choose the only option that does cause delays? Especially when those delays definitely WILL block up the junction I've just driven over, and therefore make it less likely that you'll get out of the way any time soon.The worst offenders are those who insist on turning right out onto a larger road when there's a f
king roundabout in spitting distance to your left. Most especially when I'm stuck behind them, and can't turn left to use the roundabout because the knob turning right is positioned centrally, instead of right up to the right of the lane.And to the Mercedes driver who did the lane blocking thing to me in Lincolnshire last week? Swearing at me for blasting my horn at you just makes you look like an even bigger moron than I already thought you were. Causing me to brake AT ALL when pulling out to block my path was a stupid and very selfish thing to do. Doing so so late that it caused me to brake hard enough to require ABS assistance? Very stupid indeed. If I wasn't paying attention, and half expecting such stupidity, you'd have ended up wearing a Mondeo, you stupid
. It's no lightweight, and if I'd hit you at speed you'd have very swiftly had that gormless smirk wiped from you fat, ugly mush. I hope that next time you try it, you meet someone just as ignorant as you. It'd make for a interesting conversation in A&E, that's for sure...Blown2CV said:
WD39 said:
SlimJim16v said:
I agree with everyone as an idiot.
Wow, there seem to be a lot of confused, insane, alarmed, paranoid retarded muppets out there.I'm glad I live and drive in a nice quiet corner of the Kingdom.
No-one is saying you need to dis-trust people in all of your day-to-day life, just in DRIVING. It isn't personal... and that's point... you've no f
king idea who all of these other people are... you might be forced to interact with thousands of them in a single journey so even if 1% of them are st (it's probably more like 50%++) that's still 10 drivers in every 1000 that could kill you. Them being behind the wheel of a car is no guarantee of them even being a license-holder or being in possession of insurance, let alone good driving skills and awareness. Sorry WD39 I just think you're clueless, and this is an opinion built up over a while in this thread, not just because of the trust topic.
yellowjack said:
Worse than the 'U' turns thing is utter wkers who think they have some God-given right to pull out halfway while turning right from a side road, then sit there blocking traffic from their right because a queue in the lane they want to join prevents them clearing the other lane. Especially when they then get a stty on with the drivers they are blocking.
It IS "causing an obstruction".
It IS an offence.
You ARE a tt if you've ever done it.
I don't give a flying fk how long you may have to wait to turn out if you don't block the road. That's your problem. Take another route, maybe one with traffic light control. Maybe just turn left, then make a right turn and go 'around the block' to make a left out onto the road you want? There are many options available, all but one of them means you won't obstruct traffic. Why choose the only option that does cause delays? Especially when those delays definitely WILL block up the junction I've just driven over, and therefore make it less likely that you'll get out of the way any time soon.
The worst offenders are those who insist on turning right out onto a larger road when there's a fking roundabout in spitting distance to your left. Most especially when I'm stuck behind them, and can't turn left to use the roundabout because the knob turning right is positioned centrally, instead of right up to the right of the lane.
And to the Mercedes driver who did the lane blocking thing to me in Lincolnshire last week? Swearing at me for blasting my horn at you just makes you look like an even bigger moron than I already thought you were. Causing me to brake AT ALL when pulling out to block my path was a stupid and very selfish thing to do. Doing so so late that it caused me to brake hard enough to require ABS assistance? Very stupid indeed. If I wasn't paying attention, and half expecting such stupidity, you'd have ended up wearing a Mondeo, you stupid. It's no lightweight, and if I'd hit you at speed you'd have very swiftly had that gormless smirk wiped from you fat, ugly mush. I hope that next time you try it, you meet someone just as ignorant as you. It'd make for a interesting conversation in A&E, that's for sure...
Have you tried treating all other drivers as idiots? Seems to work for some.kers who think they have some God-given right to pull out halfway while turning right from a side road, then sit there blocking traffic from their right because a queue in the lane they want to join prevents them clearing the other lane. Especially when they then get a stty on with the drivers they are blocking.It IS "causing an obstruction".
It IS an offence.
You ARE a t
t if you've ever done it.I don't give a flying f
k how long you may have to wait to turn out if you don't block the road. That's your problem. Take another route, maybe one with traffic light control. Maybe just turn left, then make a right turn and go 'around the block' to make a left out onto the road you want? There are many options available, all but one of them means you won't obstruct traffic. Why choose the only option that does cause delays? Especially when those delays definitely WILL block up the junction I've just driven over, and therefore make it less likely that you'll get out of the way any time soon.The worst offenders are those who insist on turning right out onto a larger road when there's a f
king roundabout in spitting distance to your left. Most especially when I'm stuck behind them, and can't turn left to use the roundabout because the knob turning right is positioned centrally, instead of right up to the right of the lane.And to the Mercedes driver who did the lane blocking thing to me in Lincolnshire last week? Swearing at me for blasting my horn at you just makes you look like an even bigger moron than I already thought you were. Causing me to brake AT ALL when pulling out to block my path was a stupid and very selfish thing to do. Doing so so late that it caused me to brake hard enough to require ABS assistance? Very stupid indeed. If I wasn't paying attention, and half expecting such stupidity, you'd have ended up wearing a Mondeo, you stupid
. It's no lightweight, and if I'd hit you at speed you'd have very swiftly had that gormless smirk wiped from you fat, ugly mush. I hope that next time you try it, you meet someone just as ignorant as you. It'd make for a interesting conversation in A&E, that's for sure...
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