One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
Discussion
yellowjack said:
What concerns me most is the bit in bold. Twice now 'carlove' has mentioned this, yet no-one should even be considering going "straight to Lane 2", as having proper sight of traffic (potentially very fast traffic) already in lane 2 is difficult until you've got your car straightened up in lane 1.
I took that as "couldn't move into lane 2 safely to overtake the knob due to traffic already in lane 2"...Otherwise I agree, I'll always leave a generous gap between myself and the car in front (4+ seconds) to give me plenty of time to accelerate/de-accelerate accordingly. Or if overtaking a car on a two-lane slip, do so with a generous application of power so knobbery risk/potential is minimised
Europa1 said:
Today, for me it's this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-32379...
I think deranged is more appropriate. yellowjack said:
What concerns me most is the bit in bold. Twice now 'carlove' has mentioned this, yet no-one should even be considering going "straight to Lane 2", as having proper sight of traffic (potentially very fast traffic) already in lane 2 is difficult until you've got your car straightened up in lane 1.
"One single thing that makes me think "knob"?" Drivers who think that jumping straight off a slip road and carrying on in a diagonal trajectory directly into lane two, or even three, is somehow acceptable and safe.
And as for choices? (re: 'forced' to enter a DC at a sub-optimal speed) Try backing off at the top of the slip. Let the slower car get further ahead, then drop the hammer to match the speed of traffic on the main carriageway, and try to do it so that you seamlessly slip into an existing gap in lane 1 traffic. Then settle there while you adjust to DC driving conditions before making a planned manoeuvre into lane 2 where appropriate. That way you can drive to your own plan, making your own choices, not driving in response to someone else's. The Megane driver is by far the biggest villain of this piece, but there are ways in which you can mitigate for this and improve your safety, and the safety of other road users with just a little thought and forward planning.
MarkRSi got it right, I couldn't move over safely, so didn't"One single thing that makes me think "knob"?" Drivers who think that jumping straight off a slip road and carrying on in a diagonal trajectory directly into lane two, or even three, is somehow acceptable and safe.
And as for choices? (re: 'forced' to enter a DC at a sub-optimal speed) Try backing off at the top of the slip. Let the slower car get further ahead, then drop the hammer to match the speed of traffic on the main carriageway, and try to do it so that you seamlessly slip into an existing gap in lane 1 traffic. Then settle there while you adjust to DC driving conditions before making a planned manoeuvre into lane 2 where appropriate. That way you can drive to your own plan, making your own choices, not driving in response to someone else's. The Megane driver is by far the biggest villain of this piece, but there are ways in which you can mitigate for this and improve your safety, and the safety of other road users with just a little thought and forward planning.
If you check your blindspot you can see traffic in lane two, and if you can see there's nobody coming it's safe to move into it to overtake a slow driver, I don't do it often, but I do if I need to and it has never caused a problem, because of correct observations.
I'm not sure if maybe you thought I went to dive into lane 2 and nearly had an accident, I made my decision while I was on the slip road.
My biggest mistake was misreading his driving and thinking he sped up because he realised his error, not to try and block me, my car is faster than a standard looking Megane so I could have out accelerated him, just didn't think he was a knob.
carlove said:
MarkRSi got it right, I couldn't move over safely, so didn't
If you check your blindspot you can see traffic in lane two, and if you can see there's nobody coming it's safe to move into it to overtake a slow driver, I don't do it often, but I do if I need to and it has never caused a problem, because of correct observations.
I'm not sure if maybe you thought I went to dive into lane 2 and nearly had an accident, I made my decision while I was on the slip road.
My biggest mistake was misreading his driving and thinking he sped up because he realised his error, not to try and block me, my car is faster than a standard looking Megane so I could have out accelerated him, just didn't think he was a knob.
Cheers for clarifying. I didn't post to start an argument, just to add to the debate. I feared that you might be one of those nutters who, regardless of traffic, just blasts a straight line diagonally across to the right-most lane and to hell with anyone else on the road. There are a surprisingly high number of them around. Idiots bimbling along sliproads is a pet hate though. All very well if that bimbling is deliberately slow to match heavy, slow traffic on the main carriageway, but I strongly suspect that the standard of driving instruction is to blame in many cases. And 'blocking' your overtake by speeding up? That's low. I take the point mentioned by someone else that there's not always room on a slip road to back off enough to get a 'run up' in, and although it would be desirable to drop back, that could cause issues for traffic behind you. Anyways. You joined the road and no pile-up ensued, so all good in the end.If you check your blindspot you can see traffic in lane two, and if you can see there's nobody coming it's safe to move into it to overtake a slow driver, I don't do it often, but I do if I need to and it has never caused a problem, because of correct observations.
I'm not sure if maybe you thought I went to dive into lane 2 and nearly had an accident, I made my decision while I was on the slip road.
My biggest mistake was misreading his driving and thinking he sped up because he realised his error, not to try and block me, my car is faster than a standard looking Megane so I could have out accelerated him, just didn't think he was a knob.
yellowjack said:
Cheers for clarifying. I didn't post to start an argument, just to add to the debate. I feared that you might be one of those nutters who, regardless of traffic, just blasts a straight line diagonally across to the right-most lane and to hell with anyone else on the road. There are a surprisingly high number of them around. Idiots bimbling along sliproads is a pet hate though. All very well if that bimbling is deliberately slow to match heavy, slow traffic on the main carriageway, but I strongly suspect that the standard of driving instruction is to blame in many cases. And 'blocking' your overtake by speeding up? That's low. I take the point mentioned by someone else that there's not always room on a slip road to back off enough to get a 'run up' in, and although it would be desirable to drop back, that could cause issues for traffic behind you. Anyways. You joined the road and no pile-up ensued, so all good in the end.
That is a piece of driving I hate, I would never drive like that. I wonder if I'm the only person who lets off the accelerator a bit if I'm being overtaken.
I'm going to make another controversial one, coming home at start of rush hour, traffic starting to get busy, reached a roundabout with two lanes to go straight(bet you can see where this is going) about 5-10 cars waiting in the 'left' lane so I go into the right lane and nip past them, when exiting there is a granny in an i10 and there was a nice gap between her and an Audi, so I indicate and go back in, granny has tried to close the gap and was beeping the most pathetic horn ever and waving her hands around.
I'm sure in her head I was cheating traffic, in my head making less of a queue to ease traffic, I did nearly give her the finger but thought better.
This roundabout had a massive improvement recently as traffic queued from all directions (A59/A1237 roundabout if you know York), they created the two lane exits, obviously with the intention that both lanes are used, but if you dare use it people don't let you in as you're cheating traffic. I bet they work everywhere except England.
1). Man who can't read and understand a penalty notice
2). Daily Mail reporter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3047653/Dr...
2). Daily Mail reporter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3047653/Dr...
Hackney said:
The absolute knob in Brent Cross shopping centre this afternoon.
I was out shopping with the Mrs and the little one this afternoon. A guy in front of us leapt up from a seat and pushed his (empty) pushchair past us bumping into ours, leaving a young girl standing on her own.
"Hey be careful mate!" I said to his back.
He turned round and said, "F**k off, my daughter's......" I missed the end of it, but whatever his reason for bundling into us, his first reaction was "f**k off" rather than "sorry, but...."
NB that's not a "he turned round and said..... and she's turned round and said...so I turned round and said" conversation, the guy physically turned round, thrust out his chest, then said, "f**k off...."
I had this today, only it was in a car park.I was out shopping with the Mrs and the little one this afternoon. A guy in front of us leapt up from a seat and pushed his (empty) pushchair past us bumping into ours, leaving a young girl standing on her own.
"Hey be careful mate!" I said to his back.
He turned round and said, "F**k off, my daughter's......" I missed the end of it, but whatever his reason for bundling into us, his first reaction was "f**k off" rather than "sorry, but...."
NB that's not a "he turned round and said..... and she's turned round and said...so I turned round and said" conversation, the guy physically turned round, thrust out his chest, then said, "f**k off...."
I was sat in my car sending a text message when I noticed a dad and his kid return to their car. Carried on with my text, only to stopped by a thud.I looked up to see that the kid had swung his door open and hit my driver's side mirror. The kid was still trying to get in the car and hit the mirror again. I put the window down to speak to the dad and was met with a stare like I was some kind of pedophile. I was only going to ask him if he wanted me to move forward so his son could get in. He then mumbled something while continuing to glare at me and drove off! No apology, or even a small acknowledgement
The strange thing was, he was driving a 15 plate Mondeo, whereas my shed cost me £500(I refuse to pay good money for a car now due to the amount of inconsiderate, selfish t
ts that own a car). The mirror that was hit is broken anyway and a replacement has been ordered, so I'm not that arsed. But I'm pretty sure his car would have got some damage, even if it was a little scuff as it scraped along his door. Still, why give a f
k about anyone else, eh? People are weird.
carlove said:
...I'm going to make another controversial one, coming home at start of rush hour, traffic starting to get busy, reached a roundabout with two lanes to go straight(bet you can see where this is going) about 5-10 cars waiting in the 'left' lane so I go into the right lane and nip past them, when exiting there is a granny in an i10 and there was a nice gap between her and an Audi, so I indicate and go back in, granny has tried to close the gap and was beeping the most pathetic horn ever and waving her hands around.
I'm sure in her head I was cheating traffic, in my head making less of a queue to ease traffic, I did nearly give her the finger but thought better.
This roundabout had a massive improvement recently as traffic queued from all directions (A59/A1237 roundabout if you know York), they created the two lane exits, obviously with the intention that both lanes are used, but if you dare use it people don't let you in as you're cheating traffic. I bet they work everywhere except England.
I'm with you on this one. There's a similar roundabout near me, and I use it most days. Left lane doesn't actually enter the roundabout, being separated from it by two solid white lines and hatchings. Centre lane is for straight ahead, but you could also use it to go left. Right hand lane for straight over and right turning traffic. Almost ALL drivers going straight over will queue (like so many Lemmings) in the centre lane, but this often means they block the exit for traffic entering from the right as they queue around for the exit. There are (briefly) two lanes on the exit side too, before a "merge in turn". I sometimes get into the right hand lane, and can bypass a queue of 20 or so cars, and nip right up to the merge arrows. It's called "using all of the available road space as the designers intended". FFS, Lemmings, the designers and road builders have gone to a great deal of trouble and expense to provide extra road space to reduce the length of road required by queueing traffic, specifically to try to keep the roundabout flowing, yet you bunch of knobbers are intent on very 'British' queueing, preferring to block the roundabout and cause gridlock on the Ambulance route to a leading A&E Hospital over using the road P-R-O-P-E-R-L-Y!!!!! Come on people! The damned road is clearly marked, FFS... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315199,-0.744885...I'm sure in her head I was cheating traffic, in my head making less of a queue to ease traffic, I did nearly give her the finger but thought better.
This roundabout had a massive improvement recently as traffic queued from all directions (A59/A1237 roundabout if you know York), they created the two lane exits, obviously with the intention that both lanes are used, but if you dare use it people don't let you in as you're cheating traffic. I bet they work everywhere except England.
I like how the Americans call it "ZIP-MERGING", and that's how I try to use it. If the car alongside me (left or right, it doesn't matter) has it's nose ahead of me, then I'll open a gap and make room for it to merge ahead of me. If I'm ahead of the other car, I kind of expect to be let in too (although "presume nothing" applies). The idiots who close up these gaps to prevent merging are the very Muppets who cause the delays at these pinch points. Merging correctly actually smooths out the traffic flow, but then I'll bet that these 'blockers' are the very same morons who tailgate on Motorways and suchlike, causing massive tailbacks with their 'concertina braking'. Idiots are idiots, and there is, more's the pity, no will to make them change their ways.
Prick in a LWB sprinter type thing this morning, here:
https://goo.gl/maps/LW5Qo
I'm at the front of the queue in the left lane (left and straight ahead, I want to go straight ahead) and he's in the right hand lane, presumably wanting to go right, as that's what that lane is for. There's a gap in the traffic, we both set off, and he decides he's turning left straight across me onto the ring road, despite the fact that I'm already occupying that bit of road. No intention to back off, leaves it completely to me to avoid the accident. Luckily I did.
. And I just took the dashcam off, too, as I'm changing cars tomorrow, otherwise I'd have posted it for your collective amusement 
https://goo.gl/maps/LW5Qo
I'm at the front of the queue in the left lane (left and straight ahead, I want to go straight ahead) and he's in the right hand lane, presumably wanting to go right, as that's what that lane is for. There's a gap in the traffic, we both set off, and he decides he's turning left straight across me onto the ring road, despite the fact that I'm already occupying that bit of road. No intention to back off, leaves it completely to me to avoid the accident. Luckily I did.
. And I just took the dashcam off, too, as I'm changing cars tomorrow, otherwise I'd have posted it for your collective amusement Cliftonite said:
1). Man who can't read and understand a penalty notice
2). Daily Mail reporter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3047653/Dr...
It doesn't say anything about tax!!! 2). Daily Mail reporter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3047653/Dr...
Then there's the comments:
"hurr durr international health service vote ukip"
yellowjack said:
carlove said:
MarkRSi got it right, I couldn't move over safely, so didn't
If you check your blindspot you can see traffic in lane two, and if you can see there's nobody coming it's safe to move into it to overtake a slow driver, I don't do it often, but I do if I need to and it has never caused a problem, because of correct observations.
I'm not sure if maybe you thought I went to dive into lane 2 and nearly had an accident, I made my decision while I was on the slip road.
My biggest mistake was misreading his driving and thinking he sped up because he realised his error, not to try and block me, my car is faster than a standard looking Megane so I could have out accelerated him, just didn't think he was a knob.
Cheers for clarifying. I didn't post to start an argument, just to add to the debate. I feared that you might be one of those nutters who, regardless of traffic, just blasts a straight line diagonally across to the right-most lane and to hell with anyone else on the road. There are a surprisingly high number of them around. Idiots bimbling along sliproads is a pet hate though. All very well if that bimbling is deliberately slow to match heavy, slow traffic on the main carriageway, but I strongly suspect that the standard of driving instruction is to blame in many cases. And 'blocking' your overtake by speeding up? That's low. I take the point mentioned by someone else that there's not always room on a slip road to back off enough to get a 'run up' in, and although it would be desirable to drop back, that could cause issues for traffic behind you. Anyways. You joined the road and no pile-up ensued, so all good in the end.If you check your blindspot you can see traffic in lane two, and if you can see there's nobody coming it's safe to move into it to overtake a slow driver, I don't do it often, but I do if I need to and it has never caused a problem, because of correct observations.
I'm not sure if maybe you thought I went to dive into lane 2 and nearly had an accident, I made my decision while I was on the slip road.
My biggest mistake was misreading his driving and thinking he sped up because he realised his error, not to try and block me, my car is faster than a standard looking Megane so I could have out accelerated him, just didn't think he was a knob.
There's nothing covering it in 'the code', only that each lane is a separate lane, as defined by the clearly marked dotted line between them.
Personally, I always pause between each, even though there 'would' be time/space according to the mirrors to dive diagonally out to the outside lane. I might lose a 'clear slot' in the outside, but nobody has ever given me the beans, for it.
Just had a cracker.
In the centre of the town I live in there is a large, 3 lane, traffic light controlled, roundabout with a park in the middle.
As I approached, the lights changed to green for me to enter, and out of the corner of my eye I noticed two kids (about 14 yr old maybe) in shorts and t-shirts on a motocross bike just about to run the red light.
They aggressively rode into the same lane behind me through the red light, so with no one else behind me, I sharply jabbed the brakes on my van causing the two little sts to grab their brakes and almost bin the bike trying to avoid the back of me.
They then briefly rode alongside me flailing their Nike Airs at my passenger wing mirror but missing by about a metre.
The utterly, utterly furious look on their spotty little chav faces was priceless.
In the centre of the town I live in there is a large, 3 lane, traffic light controlled, roundabout with a park in the middle.
As I approached, the lights changed to green for me to enter, and out of the corner of my eye I noticed two kids (about 14 yr old maybe) in shorts and t-shirts on a motocross bike just about to run the red light.
They aggressively rode into the same lane behind me through the red light, so with no one else behind me, I sharply jabbed the brakes on my van causing the two little s
ts to grab their brakes and almost bin the bike trying to avoid the back of me.They then briefly rode alongside me flailing their Nike Airs at my passenger wing mirror but missing by about a metre.
The utterly, utterly furious look on their spotty little chav faces was priceless.
Driving back from Wales yesterday I was stuck behind two vans, the road opened up and I decided I would pass them, as I got about halfway past the first van, he decided that he was going to pull out and overtake the van in front, without checking his mirrors.
I had to slam on the anchors and nearly ended up in the ditch at the side of the road, luckily no damage was done to the car but it was damn close. I've never actually been so close to an accident I had to pull over and just take five.
In hindsight the broken drivers side mirror that was shattered and held on with gaffa tape should have been a give away, but I really feel I should get a dashcam now as that could have ended up alot worse. Im rather worried now about overtaking more than once car at once, because of this utter cock.
I had to slam on the anchors and nearly ended up in the ditch at the side of the road, luckily no damage was done to the car but it was damn close. I've never actually been so close to an accident I had to pull over and just take five.
In hindsight the broken drivers side mirror that was shattered and held on with gaffa tape should have been a give away, but I really feel I should get a dashcam now as that could have ended up alot worse. Im rather worried now about overtaking more than once car at once, because of this utter cock.
Spooge said:
Driving back from Wales yesterday I was stuck behind two vans, the road opened up and I decided I would pass them, as I got about halfway past the first van, he decided that he was going to pull out and overtake the van in front, without checking his mirrors.
I had to slam on the anchors and nearly ended up in the ditch at the side of the road, luckily no damage was done to the car but it was damn close. I've never actually been so close to an accident I had to pull over and just take five.
In hindsight the broken drivers side mirror that was shattered and held on with gaffa tape should have been a give away, but I really feel I should get a dashcam now as that could have ended up alot worse. Im rather worried now about overtaking more than once car at once, because of this utter cock.
A quick sound of the horn if I do overtake like that(which is rarely in a diesel mondeo!)I had to slam on the anchors and nearly ended up in the ditch at the side of the road, luckily no damage was done to the car but it was damn close. I've never actually been so close to an accident I had to pull over and just take five.
In hindsight the broken drivers side mirror that was shattered and held on with gaffa tape should have been a give away, but I really feel I should get a dashcam now as that could have ended up alot worse. Im rather worried now about overtaking more than once car at once, because of this utter cock.
I would say this is kobby behaviour... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T9PvYWaCIA The guy in the Renault impeding the Mercedes' progress, nothing wrong with using both lanes then filtering one by one if there is roadworks/accident/etc right? (quite prepared to be wrong on this one)
NinjaPower said:
Just had a cracker.
In the centre of the town I live in there is a large, 3 lane, traffic light controlled, roundabout with a park in the middle.
As I approached, the lights changed to green for me to enter, and out of the corner of my eye I noticed two kids (about 14 yr old maybe) in shorts and t-shirts on a motocross bike just about to run the red light.
They aggressively rode into the same lane behind me through the red light, so with no one else behind me, I sharply jabbed the brakes on my van causing the two little sts to grab their brakes and almost bin the bike trying to avoid the back of me.
They then briefly rode alongside me flailing their Nike Airs at my passenger wing mirror but missing by about a metre.
The utterly, utterly furious look on their spotty little chav faces was priceless.
You may want to hand in your licence and maybe have a chat with the police. You appear to be a seriously dangerous driver and a In the centre of the town I live in there is a large, 3 lane, traffic light controlled, roundabout with a park in the middle.
As I approached, the lights changed to green for me to enter, and out of the corner of my eye I noticed two kids (about 14 yr old maybe) in shorts and t-shirts on a motocross bike just about to run the red light.
They aggressively rode into the same lane behind me through the red light, so with no one else behind me, I sharply jabbed the brakes on my van causing the two little s
ts to grab their brakes and almost bin the bike trying to avoid the back of me.They then briefly rode alongside me flailing their Nike Airs at my passenger wing mirror but missing by about a metre.
The utterly, utterly furious look on their spotty little chav faces was priceless.
.AlexHat said:
I would say this is kobby behaviour... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T9PvYWaCIA The guy in the Renault impeding the Mercedes' progress, nothing wrong with using both lanes then filtering one by one if there is roadworks/accident/etc right? (quite prepared to be wrong on this one)
link fixed.renault knob for nearly causing accident.
Merc for weaving as it was obviously futile.
dash cam for thinking merc in wrong using that lane.
ORD said:
You may want to hand in your licence and maybe have a chat with the police. You appear to be a seriously dangerous driver and a .
I'll be honest, I have absolutely zero sympathy for underage chavs who ride stolen non-road legal dirtbikes two-up though rush hour traffic causing havoc as they go..If they went under a bus I have no doubt it would be "someone else's fault" and the local papers would describe them as 'promising footballers'.
Cliftonite said:
1). Man who can't read and understand a penalty notice
2). Daily Mail reporter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3047653/Dr...
For bonus points, freeman on the land rubbish in the comments! 2). Daily Mail reporter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3047653/Dr...
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