One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
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vanordinaire said:
I've been in this situation a few times, feeling like a knob as I'm at the back of a queue all waiting to overtake the car in front with absolutely nothing on the inside lane for miles. But what are the alternatives? Run up the inside then try to get out into lane two when you run out of space? or sit on the inside for the rest of the day? or tailgate and flash the queuing cars in front till they pull in out of your way. It's a no win ,knob situation whatever you do.
Continue in L1 until you need to pull out to overtake. That is what every single one of those drivers should be doing, and there a nothing in the HC to stop you doing it. Indeed, as I read the HC, there is nothing wrong with passing on the left where this is just the result of correct lane discipline. The only problem, as I see it, is the risk of some dopey idiot in L2 pulling left without seeing you. For that reason, I sometimes flash my lights to indicate that I am there.
Even on a motoroway, it is often easier and safer to just continue in L1 past a MLM in L2, even where L3 is relatively clear. It avoids you making 4 unecessary lane changes. Sometimes you can even find yourself in L1 and moving past slower traffic in L2 and L3, but that's the result of other people's refusal to comply with HC and not your fault. It's a bit of an uncomfortable feeling, but the alternatives are (1) slow to 60mph to avoid 'undertaking' or (2) join a queue that shouldn't exist, making matter worse and effectively closing L1 for everyone except the person prepared to just maintain his speed in that lane and think 'Knobs'.
ORD said:
vanordinaire said:
I've been in this situation a few times, feeling like a knob as I'm at the back of a queue all waiting to overtake the car in front with absolutely nothing on the inside lane for miles. But what are the alternatives? Run up the inside then try to get out into lane two when you run out of space? or sit on the inside for the rest of the day? or tailgate and flash the queuing cars in front till they pull in out of your way. It's a no win ,knob situation whatever you do.
Continue in L1 until you need to pull out to overtake. That is what every single one of those drivers should be doing, and there a nothing in the HC to stop you doing it. Indeed, as I read the HC, there is nothing wrong with passing on the left where this is just the result of correct lane discipline. The only problem, as I see it, is the risk of some dopey idiot in L2 pulling left without seeing you. For that reason, I sometimes flash my lights to indicate that I am there.
Even on a motoroway, it is often easier and safer to just continue in L1 past a MLM in L2, even where L3 is relatively clear. It avoids you making 4 unecessary lane changes. Sometimes you can even find yourself in L1 and moving past slower traffic in L2 and L3, but that's the result of other people's refusal to comply with HC and not your fault. It's a bit of an uncomfortable feeling, but the alternatives are (1) slow to 60mph to avoid 'undertaking' or (2) join a queue that shouldn't exist, making matter worse and effectively closing L1 for everyone except the person prepared to just maintain his speed in that lane and think 'Knobs'.
Up ahead there are two trucks 'elephant racing'. The first car catches them up and sits behind the one in lane 2 waiting for them to finish their overtake. The second does the same, then the third and so on. At what point is it right to stay in lane 1 and pass the waiting cars on the inside? When you're second to arrive? 5th? 100th ? Or when you can no longer see what's happening up ahead? Whatever you do in this situation, someone is going to think you are a knob.
Edited by vanordinaire on Tuesday 28th April 07:50
Edited by vanordinaire on Tuesday 28th April 18:14
vanordinaire said:
Ok, I understand exactly what you are saying, but picture this situation.
Up ahead there are two trucks 'elephant racing'. The first car catches them up and sits behind the one in lane 2 waiting for them to finish their overtake. The second does the same, then the third and so on. At what point is it right to stay in lane 1 and pass the waiting cars on the inside? When you're second to arrive? 5th? 100th ? Or when you can no longer see what's happening up ahead? Whatever you do in this situation, someone is going to think you are a knob.
I agree that there's always an element of judgment. I suppose it depends in part whether you can see the lorry in L1 and are obviously gaining on it. If so, you might well join the queue fairly early to be polite, but the 3 or 4 people in front of you are the ones that have created a problem by not just hanging back until it is clear to overtake. If they are driving properly, there should be a massive gap for you to slot into without having to brake much or at all...chance would be a fine thing! As I say, though, when you know why there is a queue and people haven't pulled out far to early, I agree that it's polite to join the queue earlier than you would otherwise pull out. Up ahead there are two trucks 'elephant racing'. The first car catches them up and sits behind the one in lane 2 waiting for them to finish their overtake. The second does the same, then the third and so on. At what point is it right to stay in lane 1 and pass the waiting cars on the inside? When you're second to arrive? 5th? 100th ? Or when you can no longer see what's happening up ahead? Whatever you do in this situation, someone is going to think you are a knob.
Edited by vanordinaire on Tuesday 28th April 07:50
Monkeylegend said:
But you braked and avoided hitting anybody so there were not nearly "multiple fatalities" All sounded a bit over dramatic for what is an everyday occurrence on many motorways 
But well done for avoiding an accident.
But well done for avoiding an accident.
Take a look at the thread title you leg end. I think you just qualified.
Jedilai said:
Same guy 5 minutes later when it got to dual carriageway was inspired to move into outside lane where I was without indicating - evasive action needed. I am pee'd off but I should learn that this is everyday behaviour on the A90 between Ellon and Aberdeen.
Yes, happens all the time, something you have to assume will happen at every junction and be ready for to avoid fatalities 
Cliftonite said:
Liquid Knight said:
I bet this guy/gal...
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...is glad they sold the Volvo.
Piccy linky no worky....is glad they sold the Volvo.
Photo' from the Land Rover owners club Faceebook page
Oh come on!
Clearly you thought that if you let the auction run you'd get a much better price in the last minute biding frenzy.
Integrity doesn't come into it, there's no moral issue with ending an auction early to sell something at an agreed price, you've paid your ebay fee, you've got an amount your happy with and the buyer has what they wanted at a price their happy with, the watchers are hardly going to be crying into their keyboards.
Next time maybe you won't be so greedy
Clearly you thought that if you let the auction run you'd get a much better price in the last minute biding frenzy.
Integrity doesn't come into it, there's no moral issue with ending an auction early to sell something at an agreed price, you've paid your ebay fee, you've got an amount your happy with and the buyer has what they wanted at a price their happy with, the watchers are hardly going to be crying into their keyboards.
Next time maybe you won't be so greedy
scarble said:
Oh come on!
Clearly you thought that if you let the auction run you'd get a much better price in the last minute biding frenzy.
Integrity doesn't come into it, there's no moral issue with ending an auction early to sell something at an agreed price, you've paid your ebay fee, you've got an amount your happy with and the buyer has what they wanted at a price their happy with, the watchers are hardly going to be crying into their keyboards.
Next time maybe you won't be so greedy
And on the other side of that was the flurry of £200/£300 offered I refused for a toy I was selling. Ended on £750. So glad I didn't end for the bidders who asked because they knew full well it was a very rare item indeed and they also knew that I (at the time) didn't know. Clearly you thought that if you let the auction run you'd get a much better price in the last minute biding frenzy.
Integrity doesn't come into it, there's no moral issue with ending an auction early to sell something at an agreed price, you've paid your ebay fee, you've got an amount your happy with and the buyer has what they wanted at a price their happy with, the watchers are hardly going to be crying into their keyboards.
Next time maybe you won't be so greedy
I'd like to nominate my daughters school bus driver - driving down fairly narrow NSL roads, and as you can see, obviously in full control of his double decker with precious cargo on board...
And when he'd finished his Cheesy Footballs he decided he needed to open his bottle of water.
(Stupid pic on its side)
And when he'd finished his Cheesy Footballs he decided he needed to open his bottle of water.
(Stupid pic on its side)
I went for a stroll in the countryside at the weekend, and part of the walk took me alongside a road. There was a layby, with a pickup & trailer (L200 or similar) parked in it.
The engine wasn't running and he wasn't indicating so I began to walk past. I got all the way past his trailer, all the way past the back of the truck, and as I got level with his door he clocked me in the mirror, started the engine and set off with me still alongside him.
I stepped back so he didn't clip me with his trailer, and gave a 'what the f
k' gesture (probably a bit provocative in hindsight), so he shouted "fking prick" as he drove off.
Tool.
The engine wasn't running and he wasn't indicating so I began to walk past. I got all the way past his trailer, all the way past the back of the truck, and as I got level with his door he clocked me in the mirror, started the engine and set off with me still alongside him.
I stepped back so he didn't clip me with his trailer, and gave a 'what the f
k' gesture (probably a bit provocative in hindsight), so he shouted "fking prick" as he drove off.Tool.
Mr "Angry Dad" in his Qashquai (S900 LAC) who decides that he gets right of way on a roundabout regardless of traffic already there. Hence why you got a long blast of the horn you tit - I had to lean on it as you obviously hadn't seen me with my lights on so I was alerting you to my presence.
Just so you get it correct next time, the Highway Code (remember what that is?) says:
- 185
When reaching the roundabout you should
give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights.
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining.
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all.
look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off.
Judging by the way your wife kept checking the back seat, I presume you had your kids onboard?? Double knob points for you!!
Just so you get it correct next time, the Highway Code (remember what that is?) says:
- 185
When reaching the roundabout you should
give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights.
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining.
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all.
look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off.
Judging by the way your wife kept checking the back seat, I presume you had your kids onboard?? Double knob points for you!!
Edited by csd19 on Thursday 30th April 18:28
SistersofPercy said:
scarble said:
Oh come on!
Clearly you thought that if you let the auction run you'd get a much better price in the last minute biding frenzy.
Integrity doesn't come into it, there's no moral issue with ending an auction early to sell something at an agreed price, you've paid your ebay fee, you've got an amount your happy with and the buyer has what they wanted at a price their happy with, the watchers are hardly going to be crying into their keyboards.
Next time maybe you won't be so greedy
And on the other side of that was the flurry of £200/£300 offered I refused for a toy I was selling. Ended on £750. So glad I didn't end for the bidders who asked because they knew full well it was a very rare item indeed and they also knew that I (at the time) didn't know. Clearly you thought that if you let the auction run you'd get a much better price in the last minute biding frenzy.
Integrity doesn't come into it, there's no moral issue with ending an auction early to sell something at an agreed price, you've paid your ebay fee, you've got an amount your happy with and the buyer has what they wanted at a price their happy with, the watchers are hardly going to be crying into their keyboards.
Next time maybe you won't be so greedy
In the mean time the idiot who has been listing, canceling, re-listing, canceling, re-listing and canceling an engine I want for my 190E has re-listed it with a 99p start and no reserve.
Douche bag in a cab who decided to overtake me in queueing - he pulls into the other lane, accelerates past me and then immediately indicates left to move in front of me (a gap of about 10 feet) so I have to brake to a standstill to let him back in.
Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
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