One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
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ORD said:
Douche bag in a cab who decided to overtake me in queueing - he pulls into the other lane, accelerates past me and then immediately indicates left to move in front of me (a gap of about 10 feet) so I have to brake to a standstill to let him back in.
Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
This is de rigeur in heavy traffic currently. 'Queue weaving' is as common as not indicating. Changing lanes to get a one car advantage. Changing back when assummed advantage is not forthcoming. It also takes the form of other pushing in ruses. It IS pushing in and not 'merging' as suggested in a previous post reply. Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
WD39 said:
This is de rigeur in heavy traffic currently. 'Queue weaving' is as common as not indicating. Changing lanes to get a one car advantage. Changing back when assummed advantage is not forthcoming. It also takes the form of other pushing in ruses. It IS pushing in and not 'merging' as suggested in a previous post reply.
What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
Don't get me started on this.What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
Nissan Note nearly had an HGV in its nsr door today.....
WD39 said:
This is de rigeur in heavy traffic currently. 'Queue weaving' is as common as not indicating. Changing lanes to get a one car advantage. Changing back when assummed advantage is not forthcoming. It also takes the form of other pushing in ruses. It IS pushing in and not 'merging' as suggested in a previous post reply.
What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
I should have made clear - there was only one lane in each direction. He pulled into the opposite carriageway - a proper 'overtake' in a queue of traffic moving at 10mph!What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
WD39 said:
This is de rigeur in heavy traffic currently. 'Queue weaving' is as common as not indicating. Changing lanes to get a one car advantage. Changing back when assummed advantage is not forthcoming. It also takes the form of other pushing in ruses. It IS pushing in and not 'merging' as suggested in a previous post reply.
What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
A load of this on the M56 this evening near Manc airport. Comical, where the lane they moved from immediately moved faster than the lane they moved to. Not once, but four times. Good grief. What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
Me for forgetting my courtesy car is an auto and going for the clutch and cutting in the ABS.
But it has given me an insite into why so many Audi's etc. sit on the brakes at junctions/traffic lights. The auto start/stop is useless. I brake come to a stop and engine cuts out. I put the car in park apply the hand brake and lift off the brake pedal and the bloody engine starts so you either sit on the brakes with engine off or waste fuel and put it in park/neutral with engine running.
But it has given me an insite into why so many Audi's etc. sit on the brakes at junctions/traffic lights. The auto start/stop is useless. I brake come to a stop and engine cuts out. I put the car in park apply the hand brake and lift off the brake pedal and the bloody engine starts so you either sit on the brakes with engine off or waste fuel and put it in park/neutral with engine running.
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Start/stop is incredibly annoying when people in front of you have it and wait until the lights are green before even contemplating putting the car in gear. Which means the lights are halfway through their cycle bonfire they have even started to move.
Depends on the system, on my Mazda 6, when the lights change to amber, I put it in gear, then its ready to go when they're on green. Its by far, the best stop/start system I've used, super quick and barely noticeable.WD39 said:
ORD said:
Douche bag in a cab who decided to overtake me in queueing - he pulls into the other lane, accelerates past me and then immediately indicates left to move in front of me (a gap of about 10 feet) so I have to brake to a standstill to let him back in.
Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
This is de rigeur in heavy traffic currently. 'Queue weaving' is as common as not indicating. Changing lanes to get a one car advantage. Changing back when assummed advantage is not forthcoming. It also takes the form of other pushing in ruses. It IS pushing in and not 'merging' as suggested in a previous post reply. Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
In ORD's example, the cab driver moved into the opposing traffic lane to complete an overtake which required him to effectively force his way back into the correct lane. More fool ORD for leaving a decent gap between him and the car ahead, but entirely ridiculous behaviour from an alleged 'professional' driver.
However. Where two lanes, adjacent and travelling in the same direction, merge into a single lane, the merging is correctly done "in good time, but as close to the merge point as possible". Often, the reason these 'extra' lanes exist is to get as much traffic clear of a roundabout or junction as possible.
Here, for example... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315642,-0.744026... ...merging is correctly done after the pedestrian crossing. What's more, I've managed to do it safely thousands of times, from both lanes dependant upon weight of traffic and my approach route. Yet many many Lemmings still queue in the left hand approach lane, with the right hand lane clear all the way to the roundabout. Then they queue around the roundabout,even on the 'Keep Clear' boxes, bringing everyone crossing the roundabout from the left and right to a (needless) grinding halt. Which in my opinion is FAR more knobbish than 'pushing in'. Yes, there are some clowns who will attempt to block a legitimate merge, and there are a few knobs who will push 'merging' beyond decent limits an force their way in beyond the merge point, but on the whole, if you apply the simple 'zip' principle whereby drivers take it in turn to proceed into the single lane section, it works. And far more efficiently than all queueing in one lane when the designers and road builders have gone to a great deal of trouble and expense to provide extra lane space and clear signage indicating to even the least intelligent drivers that they ought to queue in both approach lanes.
So when I drive down the dual carriageway, and spot a twenty car queue in the left hand lane, and indicate across to the right hand lane in good time, safely negotiate the roundabout in the correct (marked) lane, and merge ahead back into a single lane ahead of all of those who were queued in lane one, I am NOT "pushing in", nor behaving like a knob. I am "using the available road space as it's designers intended". The knobs are the Lemmings in lane one who are queuing simply because they are poor drivers, and have failed to make proper observations of the road ahead, and failed to plan properly
Edit to correct formatting error.
Edited by yellowjack on Friday 1st May 10:26
yellowjack said:
Wrong, I'm afraid, WD39.
In ORD's example, the cab driver moved into the opposing traffic lane to complete an overtake which required him to effectively force his way back into the correct lane. More fool ORD for leaving a decent gap between him and the car ahead, but entirely ridiculous behaviour from an alleged 'professional' driver.
However. Where two lanes, adjacent and travelling in the same direction, merge]/i] into a single lane, the [i]merging is correctly done "in good time, but as close to the merge point as possible". Often, the reason these 'extra' lanes exist is to get as much traffic clear of a roundabout or junction as possible.
Here, for example... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315642,-0.744026... ...merging is correctly done after the pedestrian crossing. What's more, I've managed to do it safely thousands of times, from both lanes dependant upon weight of traffic and my approach route. Yet many many Lemmings still queue in the left hand approach lane, with the right hand lane clear all the way to the roundabout. Then they queue around the roundabout,even on the 'Keep Clear' boxes, bringing everyone crossing the roundabout from the left and right to a (needless) grinding halt. Which in my opinion is FAR more knobbish than 'pushing in'. Yes, there are some clowns who will attempt to block a legitimate merge, and there are a few knobs who will push 'merging' beyond decent limits an force their way in beyond the merge point, but on the whole, if you apply the simple 'zip' principle whereby drivers take it in turn to proceed into the single lane section, it works. And far more efficiently than all queueing in one lane when the designers and road builders have gone to a great deal of trouble and expense to provide extra lane space and clear signage indicating to even the least intelligent drivers that they ought to queue in both approach lanes.
So when I drive down the dual carriageway, and spot a twenty car queue in the left hand lane, and indicate across to the right hand lane in good time, safely negotiate the roundabout in the correct (marked) lane, and merge ahead back into a single lane ahead of all of those who were queued in lane one, I am NOT "pushing in", nor behaving like a knob. I am "using the available road space as it's designers intended". The knobs are the Lemmings in lane one who are queuing simply because they are poor drivers, and have failed to make proper observations of the road ahead, and failed to plan properly
Yep. Merging is something very different. In ORD's example, the cab driver moved into the opposing traffic lane to complete an overtake which required him to effectively force his way back into the correct lane. More fool ORD for leaving a decent gap between him and the car ahead, but entirely ridiculous behaviour from an alleged 'professional' driver.
However. Where two lanes, adjacent and travelling in the same direction, merge]/i] into a single lane, the [i]merging is correctly done "in good time, but as close to the merge point as possible". Often, the reason these 'extra' lanes exist is to get as much traffic clear of a roundabout or junction as possible.
Here, for example... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315642,-0.744026... ...merging is correctly done after the pedestrian crossing. What's more, I've managed to do it safely thousands of times, from both lanes dependant upon weight of traffic and my approach route. Yet many many Lemmings still queue in the left hand approach lane, with the right hand lane clear all the way to the roundabout. Then they queue around the roundabout,even on the 'Keep Clear' boxes, bringing everyone crossing the roundabout from the left and right to a (needless) grinding halt. Which in my opinion is FAR more knobbish than 'pushing in'. Yes, there are some clowns who will attempt to block a legitimate merge, and there are a few knobs who will push 'merging' beyond decent limits an force their way in beyond the merge point, but on the whole, if you apply the simple 'zip' principle whereby drivers take it in turn to proceed into the single lane section, it works. And far more efficiently than all queueing in one lane when the designers and road builders have gone to a great deal of trouble and expense to provide extra lane space and clear signage indicating to even the least intelligent drivers that they ought to queue in both approach lanes.
So when I drive down the dual carriageway, and spot a twenty car queue in the left hand lane, and indicate across to the right hand lane in good time, safely negotiate the roundabout in the correct (marked) lane, and merge ahead back into a single lane ahead of all of those who were queued in lane one, I am NOT "pushing in", nor behaving like a knob. I am "using the available road space as it's designers intended". The knobs are the Lemmings in lane one who are queuing simply because they are poor drivers, and have failed to make proper observations of the road ahead, and failed to plan properly
Although I draw a line at some of the conduct of cab drivers that might, in their heads, be "merging". An example:-
Two lanes each way in town. Left lane is about to end (as it becomes a cycle lane) a hundred metres or so ahead. All drivers are in the right lane and traffic is moving smoothly but slowly. Taxi driver behind me pulls into the left lane, accelerates hard to its end and then pushes back in, having gained 2 or 3 places in the queue/
To me, that has some elements of merging, but it is not courteous or good driving.
ORD said:
Yep. Merging is something very different.
Although I draw a line at some of the conduct of cab drivers that might, in their heads, be "merging". An example:-
Two lanes each way in town. Left lane is about to end (as it becomes a cycle lane) a hundred metres or so ahead. All drivers are in the right lane and traffic is moving smoothly but slowly. Taxi driver behind me pulls into the left lane, accelerates hard to its end and then pushes back in, having gained 2 or 3 places in the queue/
To me, that has some elements of merging, but it is not courteous or good driving.
Cab drivers are a law unto themselves. I had one open a can of the mentals on me in Farnborough once. I was cycling in the Bus/Taxi lane. OK, perhaps I shouldn't have been, as it wasn't expressly signed for cycle use, but up ahead, a Hungarian registered VW Polo had just dumped most of it's fluids onto the road underneath it at the traffic lights. So no-one was going anywhere in a hurry, and the Bus/Taxi lane was barely a couple of metres from merging back into the 'all traffic' lane anyway. Yet this cabby still wanted to fly down the left of the queue and push in/merge at the very last possible moment, despite the fact that it is only physically possible to merge if traffic is actually moving. I let him vent, and turn very red, then I laughed in his face, nipped through the gap alongside the stricken VW, and turned left at the lights as planned.Although I draw a line at some of the conduct of cab drivers that might, in their heads, be "merging". An example:-
Two lanes each way in town. Left lane is about to end (as it becomes a cycle lane) a hundred metres or so ahead. All drivers are in the right lane and traffic is moving smoothly but slowly. Taxi driver behind me pulls into the left lane, accelerates hard to its end and then pushes back in, having gained 2 or 3 places in the queue/
To me, that has some elements of merging, but it is not courteous or good driving.
yellowjack said:
Cab drivers are a law unto themselves. I had one open a can of the mentals on me in Farnborough once. I was cycling in the Bus/Taxi lane. OK, perhaps I shouldn't have been, as it wasn't expressly signed for cycle use, but up ahead, a Hungarian registered VW Polo had just dumped most of it's fluids onto the road underneath it at the traffic lights. So no-one was going anywhere in a hurry, and the Bus/Taxi lane was barely a couple of metres from merging back into the 'all traffic' lane anyway. Yet this cabby still wanted to fly down the left of the queue and push in/merge at the very last possible moment, despite the fact that it is only physically possible to merge if traffic is actually moving. I let him vent, and turn very red, then I laughed in his face, nipped through the gap alongside the stricken VW, and turned left at the lights as planned.
Cyclist calls cab drivers a law unto themselves...Hmmmm. Pot speaks to kettle.I drive in London most days and can honestly say that I think they are about as bad as each other (obv not all of them in each case). Quite similar habits, in fact: always "making progress" irrespective of courtesy and safety; never yielding an inch out of consideration for anyone else, etc.
ORD said:
Cyclist calls cab drivers a law unto themselves...Hmmmm. Pot speaks to kettle.
I drive in London most days and can honestly say that I think they are about as bad as each other (obv not all of them in each case). Quite similar habits, in fact: always "making progress" irrespective of courtesy and safety; never yielding an inch out of consideration for anyone else, etc.
About ten years ago I saw an altercation between a black cab and a cyclist near Portman Place. Cyclist (courier) throws bike in front of cab and squares up to cabbie. Cabbie gets out of cab with guitar (acoustic, six string) and starts swinging at cyclist. Argument stops.I drive in London most days and can honestly say that I think they are about as bad as each other (obv not all of them in each case). Quite similar habits, in fact: always "making progress" irrespective of courtesy and safety; never yielding an inch out of consideration for anyone else, etc.
Surreal.
zedx19 said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Start/stop is incredibly annoying when people in front of you have it and wait until the lights are green before even contemplating putting the car in gear. Which means the lights are halfway through their cycle bonfire they have even started to move.
Depends on the system, on my Mazda 6, when the lights change to amber, I put it in gear, then its ready to go when they're on green. Its by far, the best stop/start system I've used, super quick and barely noticeable.
Sounds like they're the sort who would sit with their thumb up their arse wondering what the green light is for before thinking about moving off stop-start or not. The stop-start in the Megane is just as slick.Anyway, within a minute of leaving my house this morning I came across a muppet who presumably thought I'd pulled out in front of them on a roundabout (I hadn't really) who then demonstrated their excellent overtake technique on myself and a few others of parking themselves onto boot of the car in front, waiting for a shortish straight (long straight? nah better not overtake on those, scary), wait until halfway down said shortish straight (bonus points if you wait for an oncoming vehicle), then overtake.
They were in an white Audi, which as we all know are normally excellent, courteous drivers so I'm assuming it was just the driver that was a knob in this case.
The logistics company on our industrial estate that treat our loading bays, our car park, and the main road to the different sites as their own loading and unloading property.
Today I arrived to find two lorries abandoned in the middle of the road blocking our delivery drivers from leaving and also blocking a delivery to our warehouse.
A driver appeared and hopped in the wagon and a banksman started to guide him back down the road... towards the now 3 cars. When I asked said banksman why they had to park in the middle of the road his first response included the word "f**k". He then asked me where I was from.
"nottingham, what's that got to do with it" confused him for a second but he was trying to find out where I worked.
Apparently we've complained loads of times to them to no avail. A company of knobs then.
Today I arrived to find two lorries abandoned in the middle of the road blocking our delivery drivers from leaving and also blocking a delivery to our warehouse.
A driver appeared and hopped in the wagon and a banksman started to guide him back down the road... towards the now 3 cars. When I asked said banksman why they had to park in the middle of the road his first response included the word "f**k". He then asked me where I was from.
"nottingham, what's that got to do with it" confused him for a second but he was trying to find out where I worked.
Apparently we've complained loads of times to them to no avail. A company of knobs then.
FraMac said:
About ten years ago I saw an altercation between a black cab and a cyclist near Portman Place. Cyclist (courier) throws bike in front of cab and squares up to cabbie. Cabbie gets out of cab with guitar (acoustic, six string) and starts swinging at cyclist. Argument stops.
Surreal.
Genuine LOL. Thanks for that! Surreal.
Many years ago i used to work as a motorcycle despatch rider in London to earn a few quid between diving jobs. I was stationary at lights coming into Piccadilly circus, behind a few other cars, when i was lightly shunted from behind by a black cab. I got off the bike to see if there was any damage and to have a word with "Blind Pew" the cab driver. As i did so, he leapt out of his cab, as did three or four other surrounding cabbies, and they all proceeded to start effing and jeffing at me as if it was in some way my fault, despite me being at a standstill along with the other traffic and foot on the ground at the time, at a red light.No damage other than a nice scratch on the front of blind Pews cab, but what a bunch of "stick together" knobbers.I just got back on, gave them the coffee beans and rode off. No chance of any justice if things had been worse with all those "witnesses"against me. Knobs!
Liquid Knight said:
On the plus side someone who knows how auctions work, wanted the wheels ended up with them. They're going back on a Strada that's mid-restoration. He got a bargain for respecting the rules and I know the wheels are going to somewhere they'll be appreciated and not stuck on a retro-chav Punto. Happy with the end result. 
In the mean time the idiot who has been listing, canceling, re-listing, canceling, re-listing and canceling an engine I want for my 190E has re-listed it with a 99p start and no reserve.
Those types make me laugh. For the love of god just start the bloody auction at the lowest price you are willing to accept. It's not difficult is it?In the mean time the idiot who has been listing, canceling, re-listing, canceling, re-listing and canceling an engine I want for my 190E has re-listed it with a 99p start and no reserve.
Have a soft spot for Strada's, remember my Dad buying a new one (bright orange). It was the most plasticky car in the world who's interior fell apart at a sneeze and the outside didn't fare much better but for some reason I remember it quite fondly. I think it held the record for the fastest traded in new car though
yellowjack said:
WD39 said:
ORD said:
Douche bag in a cab who decided to overtake me in queueing - he pulls into the other lane, accelerates past me and then immediately indicates left to move in front of me (a gap of about 10 feet) so I have to brake to a standstill to let him back in.
Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
This is de rigeur in heavy traffic currently. 'Queue weaving' is as common as not indicating. Changing lanes to get a one car advantage. Changing back when assummed advantage is not forthcoming. It also takes the form of other pushing in ruses. It IS pushing in and not 'merging' as suggested in a previous post reply. Was he planning to do that all the way up the road? I gave him some choice language and his passenger looked mortified.
I hate how 50 per cent of cab drivers behave in London.
It's all push in, daring the other car to hit you, then indicate once it's done.
What has become of our once civilised motoring world?
In ORD's example, the cab driver moved into the opposing traffic lane to complete an overtake which required him to effectively force his way back into the correct lane. More fool ORD for leaving a decent gap between him and the car ahead, but entirely ridiculous behaviour from an alleged 'professional' driver.
However. Where two lanes, adjacent and travelling in the same direction, merge into a single lane, the merging is correctly done "in good time, but as close to the merge point as possible". Often, the reason these 'extra' lanes exist is to get as much traffic clear of a roundabout or junction as possible.
Here, for example... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315642,-0.744026... ...merging is correctly done after the pedestrian crossing. What's more, I've managed to do it safely thousands of times, from both lanes dependant upon weight of traffic and my approach route. Yet many many Lemmings still queue in the left hand approach lane, with the right hand lane clear all the way to the roundabout. Then they queue around the roundabout,even on the 'Keep Clear' boxes, bringing everyone crossing the roundabout from the left and right to a (needless) grinding halt. Which in my opinion is FAR more knobbish than 'pushing in'. Yes, there are some clowns who will attempt to block a legitimate merge, and there are a few knobs who will push 'merging' beyond decent limits an force their way in beyond the merge point, but on the whole, if you apply the simple 'zip' principle whereby drivers take it in turn to proceed into the single lane section, it works. And far more efficiently than all queueing in one lane when the designers and road builders have gone to a great deal of trouble and expense to provide extra lane space and clear signage indicating to even the least intelligent drivers that they ought to queue in both approach lanes.
So when I drive down the dual carriageway, and spot a twenty car queue in the left hand lane, and indicate across to the right hand lane in good time, safely negotiate the roundabout in the correct (marked) lane, and merge ahead back into a single lane ahead of all of those who were queued in lane one, I am NOT "pushing in", nor behaving like a knob. I am "using the available road space as it's designers intended". The knobs are the Lemmings in lane one who are queuing simply because they are poor drivers, and have failed to make proper observations of the road ahead, and failed to plan properly
Edit to correct formatting error.
Edited by yellowjack on Friday 1st May 10:26
As traffic exits the RBT It turns into a race to the two lanes into one point.
Sorry again, but to you it is 'using available space', but to most other motorists it is 'pushing in', gaining ground by underhand means. Why do you think most of your fellow drivers wait patiently in the left hand lane? Lemmings they are not, considerate and patient I would suggest.
My previous post regarding lane switching,and then back again, was written after witnessing dozens of drivers carrying out this selfish manoevre leaving Nottingham recently.
They were all out that afternoon.
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