One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

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WJNB

2,637 posts

160 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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jogger1976 said:
WD39 said:
rockford22 said:
it almost feels deliberate.
Of course it's deliberate. Mr HGV would have taken great pleasure in seeing the huge queue behind him & being a nobody grasps the chance to have one over everybody else by continuing to be 'in control'. What joy also to be able to hold up all those in fancy nice cars with big salaries, what good does that do them when up against an HGV.
Get your own back I say & hold up an HGV yourself at the next opportunity.

WD39

20,083 posts

115 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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baldy1926 said:
A46 tonight newish bmw x5 coming down a slip road i indicate and pull into lane 2 with plenty of space to allow him to safely come out.
Mr bmw pulls into lane 1 and promptly speeds up so he is sat right on my nearside corner it was nearly an overlap but far to close for me to pull in.
If he had not sped up i was all set to pull back into lane 1 to allow him to pass.
There was another car ahead in lane 1 and i was off at the next junction anyway.
I didn't want to brake as i had a car behind but at a safe distance.
So he got delayed and i was left sat in lane 2.
I sped up and pulled in and mr bmw went off flat out and out of sight.
Guess what when i came off at the next junction and went into my village, knob head was just reversing into his drive
You must have him round for drinks.

WD39

20,083 posts

115 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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MoelyCrio said:
Krikkit said:
WD39 said:
Krikkit said:
WD39 said:
It must have been that because when I turned left soon after, he became a 'I will overtake you in the oncoming lane as you turn left' type of person.
Am I a knob for doing this when safe? I'd rather not slow down if I don't have to...
Even when 'safe',this manoevre is poor driving.
Without wanting to sound like a tit, or aggressive, why?

If the road is definitely clear what difference does it make if I slow down, or what lane I'm in?

That's like saying you should always drive in one lane on a twisty B-road, even when you know it's 100% safe to cut through.
I was going to ask this too? Surely it's just making safe progress?
This subject was raised on this thread some time ago, ie 'overtaking someone who, at the same time, is turning left'.

As I recall the majority of PH posters agreed that this was 'Knob' driving.

Think about it.

The driver in front is indicating and slowing down to turn left. Before he starts to turn, you pull out and overtake them as they enter the indicated side road.

Dangers: A car appearing from the left turn as you overtake...CRUNCH.
An unseen cyclist or pedestrian appears from the blind spot...CRUNCH

I know that PHers will respond by saying, 'I wouldn't do it unless it is safe' etc, but I would suggest that in this particular manoevre there are no guarantees of 'safe'.

I would also sugest that if you need to do this, then you are probably too close to the car indicating left.

It is something I would never consider doing.



Wills2

22,668 posts

174 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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On a busy urban road it can be a dangerous thing to do (I wouldn't do it) but on a quiet b road with good visibility on the junction (both roads) I don't see the problem

WD39

20,083 posts

115 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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Wills2 said:
On a busy urban road it can be a dangerous thing to do (I wouldn't do it) but on a quiet b road with good visibility on the junction (both roads) I don't see the problem
There will always be a blind spot. If only for a second, but that's all it takes.

Squishey

567 posts

127 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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The knob in the blue Hyundai Getz on the Hoo bypass this morning travelling from Grain towards Wainscott sat in lane 2 overtaking nothing. I was behind him waiting to overtake but I did not approach him quickly, I did not tailgate, nor did I flash my lights or signal right. He eventually moved to the empty lane 1 to allow me to overtake and as I done so he stuck his middle finger up at me! Once I had completed my overtake I indicated and moved back to (the empty) lane 1, he moved back in to lane 2.

He turned left at the Wainscott roundabout heading towards Strood so at no point did he need lane 2 confused

Conscript

1,378 posts

120 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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Squishey said:
The knob in the blue Hyundai Getz on the Hoo bypass this morning travelling from Grain towards Wainscott sat in lane 2 overtaking nothing. I was behind him waiting to overtake but I did not approach him quickly, I did not tailgate, nor did I flash my lights or signal right. He eventually moved to the empty lane 1 to allow me to overtake and as I done so he stuck his middle finger up at me! Once I had completed my overtake I indicated and moved back to (the empty) lane 1, he moved back in to lane 2.

He turned left at the Wainscott roundabout heading towards Strood so at no point did he need lane 2 confused
You must be quite local to me. I live in Wainscott near the bypass and its regularly full of knobs.
I went out about an hour ago and joined the bypass toward the A2. Despite heavy rain and a saturated road surface, some twunt in a brand new Clio comes and sits on my bumper rather than overtaking, even though we're the only cars on the road...not sure if he's trying to goad me so I just gently back off. He then overtakes and glares at me as he passes like I've somehow personally insulated him.

Flibble

6,470 posts

180 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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WD39 said:
There will always be a blind spot. If only for a second, but that's all it takes.
All it takes for what? Someone to teleport into it?
If there are no other vehicles around how is someone going to magically get into the blind spot to then emerge from it?

Squishey said:
The knob in the blue Hyundai Getz on the Hoo bypass this morning travelling from Grain towards Wainscott sat in lane 2 overtaking nothing. I was behind him waiting to overtake but I did not approach him quickly, I did not tailgate, nor did I flash my lights or signal right. He eventually moved to the empty lane 1 to allow me to overtake and as I done so he stuck his middle finger up at me! Once I had completed my overtake I indicated and moved back to (the empty) lane 1, he moved back in to lane 2.

He turned left at the Wainscott roundabout heading towards Strood so at no point did he need lane 2 confused
Probably thought you were speeding (though often the people who shout loudest about that have the least knowledge of the actual speed limits).

Wills2

22,668 posts

174 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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WD39 said:
There will always be a blind spot. If only for a second, but that's all it takes.
Amazing insight into the road network and every situation Yoda.



WD39

20,083 posts

115 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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Wills2 said:
WD39 said:
There will always be a blind spot. If only for a second, but that's all it takes.
Amazing insight into the road network and every situation Yoda.
No, in only the scenario being discussed.

Which is, Pulling out from behind a vehicle that is turning, creating a blind spot on the left.



scarble

5,277 posts

156 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Flibble said:
Probably thought you were speeding (though often the people who shout loudest about that have the least knowledge of the actual speed limits).
Someone gets it! clap
Give yourself a pat on the back man, you've applied logic and reasoning and thought something through for yourself rather than parroting rote learnt catchphrases written by a man in a polyester suit with a comb over.
It might be a blind spot for a second but the spot either side of it isn't and a second ago it wasn't so if you're paying attention you'll know if someone has gone into the blind spot or was in it before it became a blind spot.
Overtaking at a turn off is a little risky sure, but driving is a little risky full stop. It is possible to overtake a left turner safely. I can't remember ever having done it, but I'm not against it.

Flibble

6,470 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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WD39 said:
No, in only the scenario being discussed.

Which is, Pulling out from behind a vehicle that is turning, creating a blind spot on the left.
Driving a car at all creates blind spots, but you still do it. If you can see all possible entries to a blind spot, then it doesn't matter if it is there as nothing can be in it.

hufggfg

654 posts

192 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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While I totally understand what you're saying about nothing being in the blind spot. This particular manoeuvre (overtaking someone who is turning left into a minor road, just has way more possibilities for cars being hidden etc, so I personally wouldn't do it. The car turning left both obscures your view, and (this is the important bit) obscures the view of someone who may try to turn right out of that junction.

I understand that in a literally perfectly flat open scenario, where you can see for many hundreds of meters in every direction means that it could be safe, but that's probably not true the vast majority of the time.

I don't think it's a 'knob' thing to do, but I wouldn't do it, because I don't think it's very safe (and there is literally no gain, you only need to be patient).

Flibble

6,470 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Conversely, I won't turn right out of a junction in front of a turning car at the front of a queue, just in case the car behind decides to go for an overtake...

Hol

8,359 posts

199 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Conscript said:
Squishey said:
The knob in the blue Hyundai Getz on the Hoo bypass this morning travelling from Grain towards Wainscott sat in lane 2 overtaking nothing. I was behind him waiting to overtake but I did not approach him quickly, I did not tailgate, nor did I flash my lights or signal right. He eventually moved to the empty lane 1 to allow me to overtake and as I done so he stuck his middle finger up at me! Once I had completed my overtake I indicated and moved back to (the empty) lane 1, he moved back in to lane 2.

He turned left at the Wainscott roundabout heading towards Strood so at no point did he need lane 2 confused
You must be quite local to me. I live in Wainscott near the bypass and its regularly full of knobs.
I went out about an hour ago and joined the bypass toward the A2. Despite heavy rain and a saturated road surface, some twunt in a brand new Clio comes and sits on my bumper rather than overtaking, even though we're the only cars on the road...not sure if he's trying to goad me so I just gently back off. He then overtakes and glares at me as he passes like I've somehow personally insulated him.
Thats what happens when, you don't quarantine the Isle of Grain. laugh

hufggfg

654 posts

192 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Flibble said:
Conversely, I won't turn right out of a junction in front of a turning car at the front of a queue, just in case the car behind decides to go for an overtake...
Makes total sense, same here. Part of driving safely is assuming that everyone else might do something stupid, so just the fact that you and I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean that everyone else wouldn't.

WD39

20,083 posts

115 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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hufggfg said:
While I totally understand what you're saying about nothing being in the blind spot. This particular manoeuvre (overtaking someone who is turning left into a minor road, just has way more possibilities for cars being hidden etc, so I personally wouldn't do it. The car turning left both obscures your view, and (this is the important bit) obscures the view of someone who may try to turn right out of that junction.

I understand that in a literally perfectly flat open scenario, where you can see for many hundreds of meters in every direction means that it could be safe, but that's probably not true the vast majority of the time.

I don't think it's a 'knob' thing to do, but I wouldn't do it, because I don't think it's very safe (and there is literally no gain, you only need to be patient).
Thank you three gees and two effs plus hu. You give us...... The Blind Spot.


Edited by WD39 on Sunday 14th February 19:47

Revisitph

983 posts

186 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Conscript said:
You must be quite local to me. I live in Wainscott near the bypass and its regularly full of knobs.
I went out about an hour ago and joined the bypass toward the A2. Despite heavy rain and a saturated road surface, some twunt in a brand new Clio comes and sits on my bumper rather than overtaking, even though we're the only cars on the road...not sure if he's trying to goad me so I just gently back off. He then overtakes and glares at me as he passes like I've somehow personally insulated him.
Given how cold it was yesterday he should have thanked you.

Squishey

567 posts

127 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Hol said:
Thats what happens when, you don't quarantine the Isle of Grain. laugh
laugh I agree!

I've been working on the Isle of Grain for over 5 years now, 4.5 of which I was staying in digs in the village. Very interesting place!!

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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Any car with this stuck on it.


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