One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

[Monkeylegend]

craig1912 said:

I've put up with it today but if it happens next weekend I'll be having words.

A real man wouldn't wait until next week

[Jim AK]

mistakenplane said:

Yesterday morning on A406, having to undertake three separate cars in a 15 min period because they were glued to the outside lane at speeds between 40-50 mph refusing to move into a clear L1.

And last night on A12 being passed on both sides by two BMWs racing at speeds probably 30-40mph over the limit. The one undertaking shot between a car in L1, me in L2 and a car ahead of me in L2 while flying into L3 behind its mate.

They then went 30 secs up the road and sat in a queue on the slip road.n

I really wish I had a dash cam so I could send that to the old bill.

I suspect you were behind the self appointed 'Speed Police'

Seen this a few times since the Average speed cameras were fired up a couple of weeks ago.

Their theory is obviously that of 'Well he can't go faster than this anyway'

KNOBS!

[AH33]

Activists. Any kind of activists.

[Mave]

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

[grayze]

Mave said:

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

err. it was in the bit you copied and pasted.

"When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all"

[Blown2CV]

Mave said:

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

surely you give way to someone on the roundabout if you're not on the damn thing yet. That is generally coming from the right, but if they've joined to the left of you before you were visible (say there's a bend involved or whatever - i.e. you definitely were not there when they joined), but you were doing 45mph upon joining then you're more culpable?

[Liquid Knight]

Blown2CV said:

Mave said:

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

surely you give way to someone on the roundabout if you're not on the damn thing yet. That is generally coming from the right, but if they've joined to the left of you before you were visible (say there's a bend involved or whatever - i.e. you definitely were not there when they joined), but you were doing 45mph upon joining then you're more culpable?

This happens a lot on my bike. I'll slow or stop for the "Give Way" line and when clear to my right enter the roundabout only to be horn blasted a few seconds later by some idiot too busy looking for the end of their bell to slow or stop for the "Give Way" line and entered the roundabout at speed. In that case I was already on the roundabout, they were a few hundred yards away therefore I have right of way.

[Mave]

Blown2CV said:

Mave said:

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

surely you give way to someone on the roundabout if you're not on the damn thing yet. That is generally coming from the right, but if they've joined to the left of you before you were visible (say there's a bend involved or whatever - i.e. you definitely were not there when they joined), but you were doing 45mph upon joining then you're more culpable?

Agreed.

[Mave]

grayze said:

Mave said:

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

err. it was in the bit you copied and pasted.

"When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all"

Err. The bit I copied and pasted were your words, not the ones from the highway code. You added the context about on or approaching the roundabout, which does NOT appear in the highway code. The bit which DOES appear in the highway code, and which you seem to be ignoring, is the bit about other road users already on the roundabout... ie on the roundabout before you cross the give way line.

[AJXX1]

Really minor complaint and I was somewhat the knob today, but the daft cow in the Fiat 500 on the roundabout today who (it seemed) went out of her way just to prevent me merging in front of her despite the broken down car in L1. Everyone else had managed to flawlessly merge, but no, not her, she wasn't going to let me get in front of her for the life of her - despite me indicating, the blockage ahead being obvious and everyone else going out of the way to allow people in L1 to merge into L2.

She had more then enough time and room to have let me merge, but flat out refused and kept closing the gap to within an inch of the car in front - forcing me to a standstill at the broken down car. Which admittedly did annoy me so I gave her a good horn blast and a "WTF" hand signal (hands in the air).

The car behind her let me in. Fiat 500 knob then proceeds onto the DC, in L2 at about 40 MPH. Which only further wound me up. I don't often loose my cool but she'd gone out of her way to prevent me merging without any real reason to do so, and now is completely blocking off L2.

As soon as it was safe to do so I put my foot down, undertook in L1 and gave her a good horn blast on the way past.

I admit, I lost my cool and was a bit of a knob - but what a bh!

[grayze]

Mave said:

grayze said:

Mave said:

grayze said:

Again, read the Highway Code. Give way to traffic approaching from the right, if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout you give way. It's simple really.

Does it actually say the bit you paraphrased about "if it's on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout"? Or did you just add that bit to support your interpretation?

err. it was in the bit you copied and pasted.

"When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all"

Err. The bit I copied and pasted were your words, not the ones from the highway code. You added the context about on or approaching the roundabout, which does NOT appear in the highway code. The bit which DOES appear in the highway code, and which you seem to be ignoring, is the bit about other road users already on the roundabout... ie on the roundabout before you cross the give way line.

If they are already on the roundabout then you have to give way if they are coming from the right. If they are on your left then they have gone past and you dont have to give way to them Dont get your point.

give priority to traffic approaching from your right

Does not give any room for interpretation. Give way to the right. If there is a vehicle coming from your right either coming onto the roundabout or already on it and you pulling onto the roundabout causes them to swerve, brake or hit you then its your fault.

What else is there? please give an example like I gave previously.

[cjs racing.]

The bloody juddering thunder who has driven into our parked car, and driven off.

This is the second lot of damage in 10 months.

The first time the mirror was knocked off, and the driver only stopped as someone chased him.

This time someone has pulled in to sharply, and damaged the wheel arch, 3/4 panel, and bumper, but this time they were not seen.

How can you fail to see a bright red Focus.

Oh the joys of living on a main road, with no off street parking.

[Liquid Knight]

The look I got from the Citroen Picasso driver behind me as I stopped about fifteen meters from a "Give Way" line so a bus could swing round. Anyone would think I had stepped in a dog turd and wiped my shoe on her mothers headstone.

[Flibble]

Bellend over the weekend who floored it when I went for an overtake (previously doing 45 in an NSL). I managed to make it past luckily, at which point they resumed trundling along and vanished into the distance behind me.

[ashleyman]

2 today.

Man in a blue BMW behind me. I'm stopped at a crossroads and going straight ahead. My exit is blocked with traffic, there's also traffic in the road turning left that's also stopped as it can't turn in. Knobber behind me who is turning left, is beeping at me to move forward into the road so he can get by. I refuse to move forward as I'll then be blocking the road for traffic from my right and I'll be cutting up people waiting to turn in. He tried to overtake me just as I moved forward. I really wanted to get out the car and shout obscenities in his face, perhaps steal his keys and throw them in a bush and that doesn't happen to me too much!

The second one again, stopped in traffic and there's a road to my left. The car in front is beyond the junction but if I move forward then I'll block the road for people turning in. The van behind is beeping at me to move up but again I refuse. Then a gap opens up as everyone is bunching up and I see there is enough space for me on the other side. So I move up and the van moves up behind me but is blocking the road to his left. Car comes along and can't turn in and now there's traffic on both sides of the road because you have no patience. He ended up having to do the awkward reverse a bit so there was space for the car to turn in.

[mistakenplane]

ashleyman said:

2 today.

Man in a blue BMW behind me. I'm stopped at a crossroads and going straight ahead. My exit is blocked with traffic, there's also traffic in the road turning left that's also stopped as it can't turn in. Knobber behind me who is turning left, is beeping at me to move forward into the road so he can get by. I refuse to move forward as I'll then be blocking the road for traffic from my right and I'll be cutting up people waiting to turn in. He tried to overtake me just as I moved forward. I really wanted to get out the car and shout obscenities in his face, perhaps steal his keys and throw them in a bush and that doesn't happen to me too much!

The second one again, stopped in traffic and there's a road to my left. The car in front is beyond the junction but if I move forward then I'll block the road for people turning in. The van behind is beeping at me to move up but again I refuse. Then a gap opens up as everyone is bunching up and I see there is enough space for me on the other side. So I move up and the van moves up behind me but is blocking the road to his left. Car comes along and can't turn in and now there's traffic on both sides of the road because you have no patience. He ended up having to do the awkward reverse a bit so there was space for the car to turn in.

Surprising really. Normally in that situation they'll continue to block the junction rather than lose face.

[Brigand]

Liquid Knight said:

The look I got from the Citroen Picasso driver behind me as I stopped about fifteen meters from a "Give Way" line so a bus could swing round. Anyone would think I had stepped in a dog turd and wiped my shoe on her mothers headstone.

This is because they're not looking any further forward than the back of your car. To their blinkered vision, you just stopped "for no reason", you on the other hand saw what was up ahead and acted accordingly.

[vicpolky]

Scooters and motorbikes with unbelievably loud exhausts driven on the road... seems increasingly common round 'ere....

[Mave]

grayze said:

If they are already on the roundabout then you have to give way if they are coming from the right. If they are on your left then they have gone past and you dont have to give way to them Dont get your point.

give priority to traffic approaching from your right

Does not give any room for interpretation.

A car entering at your 9 o'clock on a roundabout is both to your left and to your right so by definition there must be room for interpretation.

grayze said:

Give way to the right. If there is a vehicle coming from your right either coming onto the roundabout or already on it and you pulling onto the roundabout causes them to swerve, brake or hit you then its your fault.

That's your opinion, based on your interpretation of the HC over and above what is actually written. I've explained why I hold my view; why do you think a roundabout has been made an exception where your priority is projected beyond a give way line?

Edited by Mave on Monday 4th July 19:32

[anonymous-user]

Mave, why are you being such an obtuse knob?