Speechless!

[Mr_Yogi]

SuperPav said:

There's a lot of discussion on here... Surely the solution is obvious?

I'll rase you this

https://youtu.be/cgxQODoSwCM?t=1m12s

[Calza]

boz1 said:

Quite; although it is clearly immensely stupid and dangerous for a car being overtaken to accelerate, it surely has to be a very poorly judged overtake in the first place for this to make any difference?

Unless the person being overtaken has already dropped a gear and has quite a powerful car (clearly not the case on the mumsnet discussion) they would not be able to make an appreciable difference to whether or not you have the space to safely complete your maneuver.

I can't think of an overtake I've gone for where I think the other party would have had a chance of putting me in danger just by accelerating.

Could easily be in some Cayenne or RR which would probably have enough grunt to make some difference? Any auto to a lesser extent.

[Mr2Mike]

boz1 said:

I can't think of an overtake I've gone for where I think the other party would have had a chance of putting me in danger just by accelerating.

Presumably you only overtake very slow vehicles then?

[KFC]

Calza said:

boz1 said:

Quite; although it is clearly immensely stupid and dangerous for a car being overtaken to accelerate, it surely has to be a very poorly judged overtake in the first place for this to make any difference?

Unless the person being overtaken has already dropped a gear and has quite a powerful car (clearly not the case on the mumsnet discussion) they would not be able to make an appreciable difference to whether or not you have the space to safely complete your maneuver.

I can't think of an overtake I've gone for where I think the other party would have had a chance of putting me in danger just by accelerating.

Could easily be in some Cayenne or RR which would probably have enough grunt to make some difference? Any auto to a lesser extent.

At some point there is a straw that broke the camels back.... that very tiny difference of some ahole speeding up a bit to try and close the door on them could be the difference between the overtaker only getting back in lane with a metre to spare, and someone being killed in a head on crash.

Some of the overtaking here in Portugal on the 125 (road, not a bike engine size!) is truly woeful. Its quite often to see people successfully overtaking up in front of you and you're thinking bloody hell if the person being overtook didn't slow down and / or the person coming the other way didn't hit the breaks too, that was going to be awful. I suppose it'd be unlikely the one coming the other way would deliberately do it... but too often I'm seeing people who'd almost certainly have crashed had the person being overtaken not reacted positively. For them to deliberately try and force the overtaker to abandon is a disgrace!

I don't think the OP on that thread is genuine, but it is a real issue so probably still worthy of a thread here.

[Bennet]

KFC said:

At some point there is a straw that broke the camels back.... that very tiny difference of some ahole speeding up a bit to try and close the door on them could be the difference between the overtaker only getting back in lane with a metre to spare, and someone being killed in a head on crash.

This only holds true if you for some reason assume the over taker will robotically pursue the overtake no matter how the situation develops.

Or if you assume the oncoming car only became visible after it was too late to do anything about it which can only mean it was a poor place to overtake.

Edited by Bennet on Monday 20th April 17:07

[J4CKO]

boz1 said:

Bennet said:

Aren't we supposed to be driving enthusiasts on this forum? If I'd gone for an overtake, my target had sped up and I'd ended up in a head on collision, I'd still be mainly blaming myself.

Quite; although it is clearly immensely stupid and dangerous for a car being overtaken to accelerate, it surely has to be a very poorly judged overtake in the first place for this to make any difference?

Unless the person being overtaken has already dropped a gear and has quite a powerful car (clearly not the case on the mumsnet discussion) they would not be able to make an appreciable difference to whether or not you have the space to safely complete your maneuver.

Yeah, for us maybe but I suspect that this was not exactly Fast and Furious 8, I suspect the Mumsnet woman flexed her right Ugg boot a little and gained a few mph which was enough to cause a problem for the overtaker who I am guessing was not a PHer in a 5 litre Cerbera rushing to get home to update the latest Golf R thread.

I suspect the overtaker may have been one of those folk that use trade winds to provide their locomotion, you know the ones that do not have the basic understanding that to overtake another vehicle, you must first achieve a higher speed for a certain amount of time. This sounds like that episode of Father Ted with Dougal in the Milk Float doing like 8 mph or whatever so hopefully death and destruction did not ensue, could well have just been some braking, did she not just think she may have caused an accident, I think you would no for sure if you had.

[KFC]

Bennet said:

KFC said:

At some point there is a straw that broke the camels back.... that very tiny difference of some ahole speeding up a bit to try and close the door on them could be the difference between the overtaker only getting back in lane with a metre to spare, and someone being killed in a head on crash.

This only holds true if you for some reason assume the over taker will robotically pursue the overtake no matter how the situation develops.

Or if you assume the oncoming car only became visible after it was too late to do anything about it which can only mean it was a poor place to overtake.

Edited by Bennet on Monday 20th April 17:07

But it can be a poor place to overtake, that you'd still have gotten away with had the other person not closed you out.

If they then panic and continue to try the overtake when its now doomed, some of that blame needs to land on the person who deliberately closed them out. They've deliberately given someone a split second decision to make with the outcome potentially being someone dying.... they deserve locking up for it.

[NoNeed]

I have just seen a video on facebook which to me is just as bad.

https://www.facebook.com/roger.franklin.969


Skip to 1:50




Anybody know how to get a copy of that video off Facebook?

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 20th April 18:29

[CoolHands]

NoNeed said:

I have just seen a video on facebook which to me is just as bad.

https://www.facebook.com/roger.franklin.969


Skip to 1:50




Anybody know how to get a copy of that video off Facebook?

Love it. If I was that van driver I'd love forever that I'd scraped down his side, even if I lost the insurance battle. It'd be worth it.

[KFC]

NoNeed said:

I have just seen a video on facebook which to me is just as bad.

https://www.facebook.com/roger.franklin.969


Skip to 1:50




Anybody know how to get a copy of that video off Facebook?

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 20th April 18:29

This guide should do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU7SeIyMMIA

[Maracus]

J4CKO said:

I suspect the overtaker may have been one of those folk that use trade winds to provide their locomotion

Brilliant!

[zebedee]

KFC said:

Some of the overtaking here in Portugal on the 125 (road, not a bike engine size!) is truly woeful. Its quite often to see people successfully overtaking up in front of you and you're thinking bloody hell if the person being overtook didn't slow down and / or the person coming the other way didn't hit the breaks too, that was going to be awful. .

Can I just use this to try to remind people that overtaking a bicycle is also not safe if it means you are forcing oncoming traffic to brake so that you can pull back in again. The number of times I witness this in my car, either behind or oncoming, and indeed on my bike is staggering. Since when did the overtaker have priority?!

[Maracus]

zebedee said:

Can I just use this to try to remind people that overtaking a bicycle is also not safe if it means you are forcing oncoming traffic to brake so that you can pull back in again. The number of times I witness this in my car, either behind or oncoming, and indeed on my bike is staggering. Since when did the overtaker have priority?!

A lot of mouth breathers only look 10 metres ahead of themselves.

[Ali_T]

J4CKO said:

Yeah, for us maybe but I suspect that this was not exactly Fast and Furious 8, I suspect the Mumsnet woman flexed her right Ugg boot a little and gained a few mph which was enough to cause a problem for the overtaker who I am guessing was not a PHer in a 5 litre Cerbera rushing to get home to update the latest Golf R thread.

[zebedee]

Maracus said:

zebedee said:

Can I just use this to try to remind people that overtaking a bicycle is also not safe if it means you are forcing oncoming traffic to brake so that you can pull back in again. The number of times I witness this in my car, either behind or oncoming, and indeed on my bike is staggering. Since when did the overtaker have priority?!

A lot of mouth breathers only look 10 metres ahead of themselves.

like the citroen Picasso driver this morning that forced a Mercedes van this morning coming the other way to both slam his brakes on and mount the verge with dust everywhere to avoid a head on collision. At least she was so inadequate as a driver that she hadn't even thought about swerving back to the left and risking taking the cyclist out

[LocoCoco]

boz1 said:

Quite; although it is clearly immensely stupid and dangerous for a car being overtaken to accelerate, it surely has to be a very poorly judged overtake in the first place for this to make any difference?

Unless the person being overtaken has already dropped a gear and has quite a powerful car (clearly not the case on the mumsnet discussion) they would not be able to make an appreciable difference to whether or not you have the space to safely complete your maneuver.

I can't think of an overtake I've gone for where I think the other party would have had a chance of putting me in danger just by accelerating.

Every single car you've overtaken had the potential to be a mega horsepower sleeper driven by a psycho who's just waiting for you to get alongside them so they can hang you out to dry.

[carl_w]

zebedee said:

like the citroen Picasso driver this morning that forced a Mercedes van this morning coming the other way to both slam his brakes on and mount the verge with dust everywhere to avoid a head on collision. At least she was so inadequate as a driver that she hadn't even thought about swerving back to the left and risking taking the cyclist out

Someone did that to me a couple of weeks back. Came right out into the middle of the road forcing me to brake hard and head for the verge. The driver was overtaking a cyclist so there would have been room, but I thought they were pulling out for an overtake of a car. Either way, they didn't see me. NSL too so a collision would have been nasty.

[zebedee]

carl_w said:

Someone did that to me a couple of weeks back. Came right out into the middle of the road forcing me to brake hard and head for the verge. The driver was overtaking a cyclist so there would have been room, but I thought they were pulling out for an overtake of a car. Either way, they didn't see me. NSL too so a collision would have been nasty.

on many roads there isn't room when the driver is overtaking a cyclist, that is the problem, if they had crossed the central line they probably felt they had to do it to make the pass, so if there was a risk of a head on, they should have waited because either they were being really generous to the cyclist (rare) or more likely there WASN'T ROOM to do it safely at that point. I think most people just think cyclists can be passed at a whim, but they wouldn't do the same to a tractor or horse travelling at a similar speed.

[culpz]

"Pushing in". Sounds like she should go back to primary school. Cannot stand people that speed up to stop an overtake. I don't understand what goes through peoples minds doing things like this. Especially when people do it when 2 lanes are merging into 1 and just decide to block other cars off. What ever happened to keeping a steady flow of traffic? Selfish destructive behavior.

[PoleDriver]

culpz said:

"Pushing in". Sounds like she should go back to primary school. Cannot stand people that speed up to stop an overtake. I don't understand what goes through peoples minds doing things like this. Especially when people do it when 2 lanes are merging into 1 and just decide to block other cars off. What ever happened to keeping a steady flow of traffic? Selfish destructive behavior.

God knows what she does when she needs to merge with another lane!