Disabled bay abuser confronted.

[jkh112]

thelawnet said:

That's not right, not right at all.

Page 1 of the Blue Badge Guide.

"A Blue Badge will help you to park close to your
destination, either as a passenger or driver.
However, the badge is intended for on-street
parking only. Off-street car parks, such as those
provided in local authority, hospital or supermarket
car parks are governed by separate rules. "

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

If you are going to appoint yourself as a vigilante, you need to make sure you know the rules first.

On the same land: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthr...http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=7900...

Edited by thelawnet on Sunday 19th April 00:02

I am not defending the driver in the video, but there a few people in this thread who seem to confuse blue badge entitlement with the entitlement to park in privately provided disabled parking spaces.
6 months ago I had spinal surgery which put me out of action for quite while. Part of my rehabilitation was to walk short distances and gradually increase this over time. Although I could return to driving after a few months, at that time I was only able to walk very short distances. This meant I was unable to go out to many places as I could not walk across a large car park. I spoke to my local supermarket and they had no problem with me using one of their disabled bays and confirmed that a blue badge was not a requirement to park in one.
This allowed me to go to the supermarket and visit the cafe which broke up the days at home and gave me somewhere different to walk. As my recovery progressed I stopped using the disabled bays, but it proves to me that just because someone does not have a blue badge then it should not be assumed they have no right to park in a private disabled space.

[V8forweekends]

jkh112 said:

I am not defending the driver in the video, but there a few people in this thread who seem to confuse blue badge entitlement with the entitlement to park in privately provided disabled parking spaces.
6 months ago I had spinal surgery which put me out of action for quite while. Part of my rehabilitation was to walk short distances and gradually increase this over time. Although I could return to driving after a few months, at that time I was only able to walk very short distances. This meant I was unable to go out to many places as I could not walk across a large car park. I spoke to my local supermarket and they had no problem with me using one of their disabled bays and confirmed that a blue badge was not a requirement to park in one.
This allowed me to go to the supermarket and visit the cafe which broke up the days at home and gave me somewhere different to walk. As my recovery progressed I stopped using the disabled bays, but it proves to me that just because someone does not have a blue badge then it should not be assumed they have no right to park in a private disabled space.

Very good point, well made. In which case Mr Driver could have

a)Not given Mr Camera a one finger salute.
b)Explained about his spinal injury or similar

[poo at Paul's]

Dusty964 said:

Jasandjules said:

To be clear you think it is acceptable to physically attack a person with walking aids because they are filming you?

Wafting a camera around and giving a stranger some verbal?
Sorry, but hes provoking the guy for a response, and gets the one he didnt want.

Id agree. Both as bad as each other.

Obviously it's not on camera, but the filmmaker says he only got the camera out as the guy gave him verbals and threatened him after he spoke to him and asked him to move.

If that's the case, the guy in the rangey is the one at fault, entirely.

[Number 5]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Sump]

poo at Paul's said:

Dusty964 said:

Jasandjules said:

To be clear you think it is acceptable to physically attack a person with walking aids because they are filming you?

Wafting a camera around and giving a stranger some verbal?
Sorry, but hes provoking the guy for a response, and gets the one he didnt want.

Id agree. Both as bad as each other.

Obviously it's not on camera, but the filmmaker says he only got the camera out as the guy gave him verbals and threatened him after he spoke to him and asked him to move.

If that's the case, the guy in the rangey is the one at fault, entirely.

Yes because the camera guy clearly initiated it before the camera starts rolling.

It's clear the camera guy has stuck his nose in from the beginning.

[daemon]

Number 5 said:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

He who laughs last, laughs longest.

[rohrl]

daemon said:

Number 5 said:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

He who laughs last, laughs longest.

A watched pot never boils.

[Dusty964]

poo at Paul's said:

Dusty964 said:

Jasandjules said:

To be clear you think it is acceptable to physically attack a person with walking aids because they are filming you?

Wafting a camera around and giving a stranger some verbal?
Sorry, but hes provoking the guy for a response, and gets the one he didnt want.

Id agree. Both as bad as each other.

Obviously it's not on camera, but the filmmaker says he only got the camera out as the guy gave him verbals and threatened him after he spoke to him and asked him to move.

If that's the case, the guy in the rangey is the one at fault, entirely.

Couldn't agree more, if that is the case.

That said, I would have thought most folk- having already received threats and a load of mouth, would simply walk away?
If its clear that the guy has already blown a fuse, further provocation is pretty unlikely to help.

[Devil2575]

brianb said:

Am I the only one who thinks the guy with the camera is the bigger here?

Probably.

[73mark]

Why does the guy filming point the camera on the building out and feel the need to film the RR driver.
Two bigheads,long bonnets and small c**ks.

[jmorgan]

KFC said:

I think in a nicer society these errors would be pointed out without resorting to horrible language in front of someone elses kids

That would be a given.

[Slaav]

Dusty964 said:

poo at Paul's said:

Dusty964 said:

Jasandjules said:

To be clear you think it is acceptable to physically attack a person with walking aids because they are filming you?

Wafting a camera around and giving a stranger some verbal?
Sorry, but hes provoking the guy for a response, and gets the one he didnt want.

Id agree. Both as bad as each other.

Obviously it's not on camera, but the filmmaker says he only got the camera out as the guy gave him verbals and threatened him after he spoke to him and asked him to move.

If that's the case, the guy in the rangey is the one at fault, entirely.

Couldn't agree more, if that is the case.

That said, I would have thought most folk- having already received threats and a load of mouth, would simply walk away?
If its clear that the guy has already blown a fuse, further provocation is pretty unlikely to help.

Well it appears three of us have read the text. Assuming it is factual and a true order of events, we can also make the assumption the the camera guy was polite and very reasonable when he first approached RR prick?

That is an assumption but we can't be sure?

If it is as I have said and as the camera guy has stated, then how can people defend RR guy?

Now, if it was 100% confrontational initially! not so cut and dried?

RR does seem more wrong here IMHO and deserves abuse as he could have easily 'shot down' the camera by explaining why he wasn't being a prick? He didn't! I wonder why?

And turning a blind eye to actions like this does us no favours as a society! Standards slip as far as we allow them to.....

[KFC]

Slaav said:

RR does seem more wrong here IMHO and deserves abuse as he could have easily 'shot down' the camera by explaining why he wasn't being a prick? He didn't! I wonder why?

If I needed to drop someone off to pick up a parcel or whatever while I waited, I'd have done what he done. There are other parking spaces next to him, so he's not preventing any blue badgers using one. If they fill up, he can move.

If someone queried why I was doing it, I'd politely tell them I'm waiting for someone for x reason, we're only going to be a few minutes and I'll move if someone needs the space.

Though if the person querying it was calling me a retard and a prick I'd probably just laugh at him too. I likely wouldn't bother justifying myself to him at that point, I'd just let him get himself annoyed. Though I wouldn't have done that if I had a kid in the car like he did.

I don't think there is really too much to see with the video... 2 total knobs collide and the inevitable happens.

[bitchstewie]

FWIW I don't think I've ever parked in a disabled bay - surprising how some people on here don't seem to give a fk either.

I'm not going to go all "outraged of Tunbridge Wells" over it but it's just how I've been brought up that they're there for a reason.

That said, it is weird when you drive around just about any car park, particularly multi-storey ones on shopping centres, and see pretty much half a level dedicated to disabled bays, and they're pretty much always deserted - it does make me wonder if there is just some arbitrary ratio and the car park planners have no say in the matter.

[stuartmmcfc]

bhstewie said:

That said, it is weird when you drive around just about any car park, particularly multi-storey ones on shopping centres, and see pretty much half a level dedicated to disabled bays, and they're pretty much always deserted - it does make me wonder if there is just some arbitrary ratio and the car park planners have no say in the matter.

TBF I think you only notice that when there're a lot of free disabled spaces. After all,you're looking for a "normal" space and unsurprisingly the vacant disabled spaces stand out.
Im always looking-for a disabled space and it may surprise you that I often struggle to find one, particularly in Multi Storeys!
Part of the problem though is that it's difficult to accurately predict when a disabled space is needed.
Something that those "who'll only be 5 minutes and there are plenty of other spaces free" should remember is that it's not only the space to open the door we need, the distance you have to walk can also be a problem. At my local Tescos there's a long line of disabled spaces running away from the store. There might be loads free, but if the first 5 or 6 are taken, then I'm in trouble as it becomes to far to walk to the store.

[J4CKO]

I think the guy videoing did go in all guns blazing, which is never going to work with an Alpha male in a Range Rover, go in with aggression and you will get it back regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, to be honest I think RR guy would have got all arsey regardless but the initial contact should always be polite in any situation, I think people work themselves over seeing things before and build it up and then let the person they do confront have it all in one go.

[eldar]

bhstewie said:

That said, it is weird when you drive around just about any car park, particularly multi-storey ones on shopping centres, and see pretty much half a level dedicated to disabled bays, and they're pretty much always deserted - it does make me wonder if there is just some arbitrary ratio and the car park planners have no say in the matter.

Should you ever become unfortunate enough to need a blue badge, you'll suddenly discover an interesting statistical phenomenon!

If you need a disabled bay, you can almost never find one, they are always full. If you don't need one they are empty!

[IATM]

V8forweekends said:

jkh112 said:

I am not defending the driver in the video, but there a few people in this thread who seem to confuse blue badge entitlement with the entitlement to park in privately provided disabled parking spaces.
6 months ago I had spinal surgery which put me out of action for quite while. Part of my rehabilitation was to walk short distances and gradually increase this over time. Although I could return to driving after a few months, at that time I was only able to walk very short distances. This meant I was unable to go out to many places as I could not walk across a large car park. I spoke to my local supermarket and they had no problem with me using one of their disabled bays and confirmed that a blue badge was not a requirement to park in one.
This allowed me to go to the supermarket and visit the cafe which broke up the days at home and gave me somewhere different to walk. As my recovery progressed I stopped using the disabled bays, but it proves to me that just because someone does not have a blue badge then it should not be assumed they have no right to park in a private disabled space.

Very good point, well made. In which case Mr Driver could have

a)Not given Mr Camera a one finger salute.
b)Explained about his spinal injury or similar

Your completely right he could have done those things and something I would have done however the point is does he have to? A random person has decided to have rock up to this persons car and without getting the facts assumed hes being a tosser by parking there.

[Foppo]

Willy Nilly said:

Piersman2 said:

Oh my god!!! Moral outrages at full bore.

I have a Range Rover. I also parked in a disabled space earlier this afternoon.

It was a busy small local carpark. There were two empty disabled spaces. I parked in one whilst my OH went into the shop to get a couple of bits.

I sat in the car with the engine running quite happy to move at a moments notice if it so happened that 2 disabled drivers arrived in the 5 minutes my OH was in the shop.

I'm also quite happy to use disabled toilets. Send me straight to hell.

There was only 1 prick in that video, only 1 passive-aggressive, abusive, dhead out to create some grief and confrontation. And he wasn't sat in the car.

Why not just park in normal spaces? Driving a big car and parking in disabled spaces, regardless of whether or not you will move when asked, just makes people think you are a tosser.
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He drives a big car wow and uses disabled toilets piersman the man.Keep your fingers crossed you might never need that disabled space for real.

[bitchstewie]

eldar said:

Should you ever become unfortunate enough to need a blue badge, you'll suddenly discover an interesting statistical phenomenon!

If you need a disabled bay, you can almost never find one, they are always full. If you don't need one they are empty!

Oh no I wouldn't doubt it - as Stuart says above and quite rightly, I only notice because it stands out when you drive through an empty floor of a multi-storey, if the spaces were full I wouldn't even think to see if they were regular or for disabled badge holders.