Disabled bay abuser confronted.
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rscott said:
Surely it makes sense to put the P&C spaces further away from the entrance? Then those who use them 'because they're close' won't use them and those who actually need them will be able to ?
My nearest Waitrose (Wolverhampton) has done this and it has exactly the effect you foresee.All the normal spaces and indeed the 'drop off' spaces (and no doubt disabled spaces) near the shop entrance are rammed full, yet barely 100 yards away you can have all the spaces you want including P&C which are always free. I use them when we have kids just because they provide a nice 'buffer' around the car so you won't generally return to find someone has parked right up against the car. In any case its not unusual for the surrounding P&C spaces to be empty as there is seemingly little demand for them when they aren't situated right near the front door.
I find the desire to park right next to the entrance quite baffling when you can have 10 spaces a 30 second walk away.
Burwood said:
thelawnet said:
spats said:
Going to have to disagree here. Parent and child spaces are very important. I.M speaking as a Dad and a petrol head here too!
When I go to the shops with my son, I have to open the door fairly wide to get him out. Usually on normal spaces the door either opens to the first notch which is too small, or will hit the parked car next to me. Either isn't acceptable really. So using the Parent and child spaces means I don't have to worry about damaging my car, not someone elses either. Of course if I can find a space that’s empty I will park there, but you cant stop someone parking next to you once you return.
The problem is that the stage in which you have to open the door wide is only age up to around 2 or 3 years, but people use them with children of any age.When I go to the shops with my son, I have to open the door fairly wide to get him out. Usually on normal spaces the door either opens to the first notch which is too small, or will hit the parked car next to me. Either isn't acceptable really. So using the Parent and child spaces means I don't have to worry about damaging my car, not someone elses either. Of course if I can find a space that’s empty I will park there, but you cant stop someone parking next to you once you return.
They are there because people with children spend more money in supermarkets, so it makes sense to offer preferential parking as a marketing ploy.
Anyone who has a Boxster is likely to be able to tell you tales of having to wait for one of the idiots who have parked within 2" of their doors before they could get in. Same with many TVRs and other sports cars without scissor doors. My old man had to go from a 3 Series Coupe to a Saloon for no other reason other than that he can no longer contort himself into the car after the parking idiots have had their day in the sun.
I see the need for P&C, but until there is a proper system for them (like with Blue Badges) they are always going to be an area of debate.
Now, let us talk about those that are too important to return their trollies to the correct parks but just leave then in the neighbouring bay....
thelawnet said:
The problem is that the stage in which you have to open the door wide is only age up to around 2 or 3 years, but people use them with children of any age.
They are there because people with children spend more money in supermarkets, so it makes sense to offer preferential parking as a marketing ploy.
BullsThey are there because people with children spend more money in supermarkets, so it makes sense to offer preferential parking as a marketing ploy.
t. You don't have children do you. If you did you would understand the benefits. But you are a blinkered know-it-all moron like every other childless knob-jockey who thinks P&C spaces are fair game.rscott said:
Surely it makes sense to put the P&C spaces further away from the entrance? Then those who use them 'because they're close' won't use them and those who actually need them will be able to ?
You're probably on to something here. I certainly wouldn't object, but I think the point is to avoid children having to cross the 'road', possibly between cars in front of the ignorant tts (probably some of the posters in this thread) who treat car parks as a 30mph zone with no awareness of hazards.Sadly the result of this sort of thing is that it gives owners of nice cars who need disabled spaces a problem.
My mum had a full knee replacement not long ago and has been signed off to drive but can't walk far without help. Although she really still needs walking sticks she tries very hard not to whenever possible, mainly out of pride and not wanting to feel like an old lady. Really, she should still be getting help when she goes shopping but she's determined to carry on as she was before and get back to a normal life.
As it's a temporary condition it's been impossible for her to get a blue badge. Despite all this she's had people approach her in a pretty rude manner, mainly along the lines of 'Bloody Range Rover drivers', only for her to pull her walking sticks out of the passenger side and offer to show them the 12 inch long scar! I've also had people glare at me while I've been sat in her car in a disabled bay waiting to pick her up after she's been shopping.
Why should she have to fear a confrontation every time she parks up? Why should she have to justify her use of the spaces to anyone when there are dozens free? More often than not people should mind their own business.
If able bodied people are habitually filling them up then take it up with the shop, or if they are full and someone looks like they are parking in one unnecessarily then it's not hard to approach them in a polite way as you never know if they have a genuine need for it. That said, by all means if they're a tosser about it then stop being polite!
My mum had a full knee replacement not long ago and has been signed off to drive but can't walk far without help. Although she really still needs walking sticks she tries very hard not to whenever possible, mainly out of pride and not wanting to feel like an old lady. Really, she should still be getting help when she goes shopping but she's determined to carry on as she was before and get back to a normal life.
As it's a temporary condition it's been impossible for her to get a blue badge. Despite all this she's had people approach her in a pretty rude manner, mainly along the lines of 'Bloody Range Rover drivers', only for her to pull her walking sticks out of the passenger side and offer to show them the 12 inch long scar! I've also had people glare at me while I've been sat in her car in a disabled bay waiting to pick her up after she's been shopping.
Why should she have to fear a confrontation every time she parks up? Why should she have to justify her use of the spaces to anyone when there are dozens free? More often than not people should mind their own business.
If able bodied people are habitually filling them up then take it up with the shop, or if they are full and someone looks like they are parking in one unnecessarily then it's not hard to approach them in a polite way as you never know if they have a genuine need for it. That said, by all means if they're a tosser about it then stop being polite!
Edited by The Wookie on Monday 20th April 18:49
VX Foxy said:
rscott said:
Surely it makes sense to put the P&C spaces further away from the entrance? Then those who use them 'because they're close' won't use them and those who actually need them will be able to ?
You're probably on to something here. I certainly wouldn't object, but I think the point is to avoid children having to cross the 'road', possibly between cars in front of the ignorant tts (probably some of the posters in this thread) who treat car parks as a 30mph zone with no awareness of hazards.VX Foxy said:
thelawnet said:
The problem is that the stage in which you have to open the door wide is only age up to around 2 or 3 years, but people use them with children of any age.
They are there because people with children spend more money in supermarkets, so it makes sense to offer preferential parking as a marketing ploy.
BullsThey are there because people with children spend more money in supermarkets, so it makes sense to offer preferential parking as a marketing ploy.
t. You don't have children do you. If you did you would understand the benefits. But you are a blinkered know-it-all moron like every other childless knob-jockey who thinks P&C spaces are fair game.Oh - and I personally feel that P&C spaces are a marketing ploy, whilst disables spaces are a necessity. So I don't park in disabled bays. However anyone who can't get a kid in and out of a normal spot should be applying for a disabled badge anyway.
VX Foxy said:
Bullst. You don't have children do you. If you did you would understand the benefits. But you are a blinkered know-it-all moron like every other childless knob-jockey who thinks P&C spaces are fair game.
I have two children. t. You don't have children do you. If you did you would understand the benefits. But you are a blinkered know-it-all moron like every other childless knob-jockey who thinks P&C spaces are fair game.I am under no illusions that I am not a special f
king snowflake because of this fact, however, and that unlike disabled bays, P&C bays are just there to massage the (already frequently monstrous) egos of parents who choose to spend thousands of pounds a year in their local supermarket.photosnob said:
Presumably if there are no parent and child parking spaces you have to turn around and drive home without your shopping? I have no idea how people managed before the marketing department put them in. Tell me how you do manage at places without them?
Oh - and I personally feel that P&C spaces are a marketing ploy, whilst disables spaces are a necessity. So I don't park in disabled bays. However anyone who can't get a kid in and out of a normal spot should be applying for a disabled badge anyway.
Presumably they just park in a regular space.Oh - and I personally feel that P&C spaces are a marketing ploy, whilst disables spaces are a necessity. So I don't park in disabled bays. However anyone who can't get a kid in and out of a normal spot should be applying for a disabled badge anyway.
I don't particularly agree with P&C spaces though I can see there may be benefits for people who do have children and if I'm being selfish if it stops them parking next to me and bashing their doors into my new car that's a bonus too.
You seem to struggle with the idea that the land belongs to the supermarket and is theirs to do whatever they like with - it doesn't really matter if you or I agree with it.
So, to summarise.
All the people who arent selfish, don't park in disabled or P&C spaces and don't have insecurity issues - think that the RR driver is a complete and utter prick of the highest order.
But,
All the people who also like to participate in a bit of selfish knobiness from time to time, (and don't like being called out for it) would rather deflect opinions from that sort of knobish behaviour, by attempting deflect blame against the guy filming.
A normal PH thread about st parking then. 
All the people who arent selfish, don't park in disabled or P&C spaces and don't have insecurity issues - think that the RR driver is a complete and utter prick of the highest order.
But,
All the people who also like to participate in a bit of selfish knobiness from time to time, (and don't like being called out for it) would rather deflect opinions from that sort of knobish behaviour, by attempting deflect blame against the guy filming.
A normal PH thread about s
t parking then. The Wookie said:
Sadly the result of this sort of thing is that it gives owners of nice cars who need disabled spaces a problem.
My mum had a full knee replacement not long ago and has been signed off to drive but can't walk far without help. Although she really still needs walking sticks she tries very hard not to whenever possible, mainly out of pride and not wanting to feel like an old lady. Really, she should still be getting help when she goes shopping but she's determined to carry on as she was before and get back to a normal life.
As it's a temporary condition it's been impossible for her to get a blue badge. Despite all this she's had people approach her in a pretty rude manner, mainly along the lines of 'Bloody Range Rover drivers', only for her to pull her walking sticks out of the passenger side and offer to show them the 12 inch long scar! I've also had people glare at me while I've been sat in her car in a disabled bay waiting to pick her up after she's been shopping.
Why should she have to fear a confrontation every time she parks up? Why should she have to justify her use of the spaces to anyone when there are dozens free? More often than not people should mind their own business.
If able bodied people are habitually filling them up then take it up with the shop, or if they are full and someone looks like they are parking in one unnecessarily then it's not hard to approach them in a polite way as you never know if they have a genuine need for it. That said, by all means if they're a tosser about it then stop being polite!
Berating, let alone challenging people who you perceive to have done something wrong is about as productive as hitting yourself on the head with a large mallet.My mum had a full knee replacement not long ago and has been signed off to drive but can't walk far without help. Although she really still needs walking sticks she tries very hard not to whenever possible, mainly out of pride and not wanting to feel like an old lady. Really, she should still be getting help when she goes shopping but she's determined to carry on as she was before and get back to a normal life.
As it's a temporary condition it's been impossible for her to get a blue badge. Despite all this she's had people approach her in a pretty rude manner, mainly along the lines of 'Bloody Range Rover drivers', only for her to pull her walking sticks out of the passenger side and offer to show them the 12 inch long scar! I've also had people glare at me while I've been sat in her car in a disabled bay waiting to pick her up after she's been shopping.
Why should she have to fear a confrontation every time she parks up? Why should she have to justify her use of the spaces to anyone when there are dozens free? More often than not people should mind their own business.
If able bodied people are habitually filling them up then take it up with the shop, or if they are full and someone looks like they are parking in one unnecessarily then it's not hard to approach them in a polite way as you never know if they have a genuine need for it. That said, by all means if they're a tosser about it then stop being polite!
Edited by The Wookie on Monday 20th April 18:49
I asked pages ago if any videos existed showing contrite miscreants and needless to day, not one has been produced.
The original video is a good example showing that the vast majority of video posters are pompous t
ts, whether it's a headcam wearing Lance Armstrong wannabee, gap closing dashcam warrior or in this case, camera wielding invalid. The really funny thing about them is that right up to the first reply they are utterly convinced that they are 100% in the right. Hackney said:
Mave said:
photosnob said:
I regularly park in parent and child spaces. I have no kids, and never have children with me. If that makes me selfish I don't care. I fail to see how having a child means you have to park closer to the supermarket, or need a bigger space.
As well as making you selfish, it makes you ignorant. Have you actually bothered trying to work out why you need more space to manhandle a small child out of a car seat without damaging adjacent cars; or why you might need more space to keep one child safe in a pram out of the road whilst you strap the other one in? Or did you just decide that because you had no experience of children and the practical issues asociated with getting them in and out of cars in a confined space, that those issues don't exist?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Presumably they just park in a regular space.
I don't particularly agree with P&C spaces though I can see there may be benefits for people who do have children and if I'm being selfish if it stops them parking next to me and bashing their doors into my new car that's a bonus too.
You seem to struggle with the idea that the land belongs to the supermarket and is theirs to do whatever they like with - it doesn't really matter if you or I agree with it.
I don't struggle with it. I just chose to ignore it. I've never had a member of staff at a supermarket advise me otherwise. To me it's like a national speed limit - whilst I'm breaking the law to drive at 80mph on the motorway I still do so. That's the governments roads - so they can chose how fast we drive, using that argument. I see parking in a disabled space as immoral so I don't do it, I also see driving in a built up area quickly as immoral so I don't so it. I don't particularly agree with P&C spaces though I can see there may be benefits for people who do have children and if I'm being selfish if it stops them parking next to me and bashing their doors into my new car that's a bonus too.
You seem to struggle with the idea that the land belongs to the supermarket and is theirs to do whatever they like with - it doesn't really matter if you or I agree with it.
photosnob said:
I don't struggle with it. I just chose to ignore it. I've never had a member of staff at a supermarket advise me otherwise. To me it's like a national speed limit - whilst I'm breaking the law to drive at 80mph on the motorway I still do so. That's the governments roads - so they can chose how fast we drive, using that argument. I see parking in a disabled space as immoral so I don't do it, I also see driving in a built up area quickly as immoral so I don't so it.
Fair enough, one day you might benefit from some small courtesy from someone and they'll just say "fk you mate, it's not my problem" and then the penny may drop.Each to their own I guess.
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