Disabled bay abuser confronted.

[VX Foxy]

9mm said:

That's invariably the mums and single women ime. Funny really.

Sadly, you're absolutely right.

[VX Foxy]

Mandalore said:

So, to summarise.

All the people who arent selfish, don't park in disabled or P&C spaces and don't have insecurity issues - think that the RR driver is a complete and utter prick of the highest order.

But,

All the people who also like to participate in a bit of selfish knobiness from time to time, (and don't like being called out for it) would rather deflect opinions from that sort of knobish behaviour, by attempting deflect blame against the guy filming.

A normal PH thread about st parking then.

Absolutely. 100%. Bang on the money!

[Seventy]

Rude-boy said:

I'll never forget the bloke who used to come to out Primary School every Wednesday in one of those. Dad mentioned that it wasn't enough that the poor bloke couldn't walk they then made him drive about in a death trap like those. Sadly the poor chap in question did meet his maker in one of them, with the aid of a 36 tonner....

My uncle died in one of these. Rolled it, caught fire, couldn't get out. Lovely chap he was.

[anonymous-user]

thelawnet said:

VX Foxy said:

Bullst. You don't have children do you. If you did you would understand the benefits. But you are a blinkered know-it-all moron like every other childless knob-jockey who thinks P&C spaces are fair game.

I have two children.

I am under no illusions that I am not a special fking snowflake because of this fact, however, and that unlike disabled bays, P&C bays are just there to massage the (already frequently monstrous) egos of parents who choose to spend thousands of pounds a year in their local supermarket.

Correct. A family will spend far more on a weekly shop than a single bloke popping in for some fags and booze. That is the main reason for the parent/child parking spaces (and yes, I've got kids).

[Vaud]

I partly agree.

Parent and baby spaces would be useful. Even with a 5 door car (so shortish doors) it is hard to get a modern child seat out of a car in a regular space. As a dad balancing work with a baby and shopping, it is a real help.

When they can walk and vaguely understand risk / follow instructions it is different.

[bga]

mrf said:

People using disabled bays without any entitlement boils my blood...especially pregnant women and those with (non diasabled) children...having kids / getting knocked up is a choice...having MS isn't...however disabled women get maternity pay etc etc a damned sight easier and with less hassle and grief than disabled people

Without intending to take anything away from your wife, there are plenty who have disabilities caused through life choices (I appreciate MS is not one of these).

Are not the symptoms more relevant than the cause? My son qualifies for a disabled badge until he is 2 but as it would make the square root of sod-all difference to us or him, we don't exercise it.

[stuartmmcfc]

I must live in either a very nice part of the country or I must look a bit hard ( find it hard to believe it's the later) because I've NEVER been challenged over my parking in a disabled bay despite being youngish, on my own, shopping twice a week and having driven some very non disabled friendly cars??
My disability is much more obvious now but I've always found people to be very friendly and I don't really notice much mis use of disabled spaces- but then I do think much disability is hidden.
i must try harder to look normal as I love a good argument

[9mm]

How exactly is all this misuse quantified?

[Mave]

photosnob said:

Oh - and I personally feel that P&C spaces are a marketing ploy, whilst disables spaces are a necessity. So I don't park in disabled bays. However anyone who can't get a kid in and out of a normal spot should be applying for a disabled badge anyway.

Have you actually got personal experience of trying to get a child through a 12" wide gap and then strap them in? Whilst also holding the hand of another child?

[Terminator X]

There is a car park in Random Town that is regularly rammed on a Saturday with not a single space left apart from almost every single disabled space. Without fail I park in one on the basis there are no others left. Right or wrong?

TX.

[Pesty]

Terminator X said:

There is a car park in Random Town that is regularly rammed on a Saturday with not a single space left apart from almost every single disabled space. Without fail I park in one on the basis there are no others left. Right or wrong?

TX.

Not for me to say it's your call for me I don't. . I can tell you that when I lived in Telford the centre had 4 or so large car parks one of which was a multi story.

The multi story had an entire floor marked as disabled which invariably even at busy times seemed empty and the others seemed to have 20% each disabled.

It was sometimes very hard to find a space and there were next to none of the disabled occupied but I still would wait. I can walk it's not a hardship to wait a while so personally I can't justify it no matter how seemingly disproportionate some towns are.


But I do occasionally park in parent and child ones. So I'm not all good

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 21st April 00:48

[Steff1965]

mp3manager said:

o. The rules are pretty simple, no blue badge on display...no parking in a disabled bay. What part do you not understand?


I think it's high-time we had a Janet And John book on where you can and cannot park, for those that are thicker than a whale omelette, because parking in a legal and responsible manner seems to be beyond them.

How hard can it be to understand the rules for parking in disabled bays on private land like in the video?

Edited by Steff1965 on Tuesday 21st April 06:13

[Dusty964]

mrf said:

My wife (early 30s) has MS and has done since her early 20s, has had serious walking issues and chronic pain for years...
Used to get embarrassed using a blue badge due to the looks she got and the comments from the "grey brigade" many of whom didn't have a badge but think "disabled bay = senior citizens space"....I soon cured that problem....I can be very polite and incredibly confrontational at the same time...its amazing how many scuttle away when asked where THEIR blue badge is and if they would like to have MS....
If someone like RR man thumped my wife...I likely wouldn't bother with the polis...a smack in the teeth with a wheel wrench tends to put the message across far more succintly....funny how many "big" men suddenly develop an urge to be elsewhere when someone stands up to them and their bullying.....
One guard at the local tesco saw my wife and I coming in and said VERY rudely "those spaces are for disabled people move your car now!" I turned and told him extremely curtly "go have a look at the car, you will MY wife's badge on display, though you might want to tell those 3 elderly couples to shift theirs as NONE of them have a badge"....he scuttled off also....store manager and head office got a severe ear bashing from me for that...I was fuming well and truly that day....
People using disabled bays without any entitlement boils my blood...especially pregnant women and those with (non diasabled) children...having kids / getting knocked up is a choice...having MS isn't...however disabled women get maternity pay etc etc a damned sight easier and with less hassle and grief than disabled people trying to claim DLA / PIP.
Employers also more willing to hire a pregnant woman over a disabled person...even a qualified disabled person with experience...various excuses get trotted out..all of them code words for "no cripples wanted here"

What have maternity pay and the ability to get hired for employment got to do with disabled spaces?

[J4CKO]

Countdown said:

J4CKO said:

I like the P and C space, never used one but they attract Zafira driving morons........

You realise that the reason why so many Zafiras are in P&Cs is because Zafiras are great cars for Parents with Children,,,?

Yeah that was kind point, harassed mum with a brood of kids, best kept away from other peoples cars.

[Paul O]

If you are suitably angry enough you can justify your cause in any aspect of motoring within a few minutes.

People parking in disabled bays that shouldn't, p&c bays that shouldn't, double yellow lines (the "I'll just be a minute" crew), bad driving, not indicating, not enough stopping distance, speeding etc

Wouldn't take long if you are angry to find someone who justifies your cause to be angry, and then shove a camera in their face to make them more angry than you.

Why bother? It will achieve nothing in the grand scheme of things - except risk you getting a black eye. Surely campaigning would likely affect a broader, more sustainable change than a quick burst of aggression on an assumed wrong-doer.

[culpz]

This is kinda reminiscent of that video of the cyclist spotting a Corsa in front dropping litter and then decides to take it upon himself to throw it back at the driver and all escalated from there. Both at fault really. You provoke a reaction and then expect nothing to come of it. Just mental.

People are looking into it too much. We only have a snippet of information. A short clip to interpret does not tell the whole story. The fact is we will probably never know the whole truth behind it. I think there's clearly more to this than meets the eye. But both have most likely gone about their business that would only lead to this as a result.

[2013BRM]

J4CKO said:

Piersman2 said:

J4CKO said:

Piersman2 said:

Oh my god!!! Moral outrages at full bore.

I have a Range Rover. I also parked in a disabled space earlier this afternoon.

It was a busy small local carpark. There were two empty disabled spaces. I parked in one whilst my OH went into the shop to get a couple of bits.

I sat in the car with the engine running quite happy to move at a moments notice if it so happened that 2 disabled drivers arrived in the 5 minutes my OH was in the shop.

I'm also quite happy to use disabled toilets. Send me straight to hell.

There was only 1 prick in that video, only 1 passive-aggressive, abusive, dhead out to create some grief and confrontation. And he wasn't sat in the car.

They aren't there for you regardless of whether you are prepared to move, whilst you are sat in readiness people are going past thinking what a you are.

I don't care too much what other people think of me, particularly not random strangers.

Good job...

oh ffs, find something worthwhile to get insulting about, the man said there were other spaces available, he was sat in the car engine running. People do it all the time at our Tescos to nip to the cashpoint, no one gets upset, no one dies, everyone acts like rational adults

[Gandahar]

Problem is how does the Range Rover know two disabled drivers turn up? they won't put their badge up until they stop and they certainly won't get out of the car, perhaps make their wheelchair, roll around to the Range Rover driver and ask if he could move will they. No they will simply park in a non disabled spot and then struggle.

So it's a poor argument trying to justify being lazy.

[castex]

I am able bodied. I would never park in a disabled space. It's just not done.

[thelawnet]

Gandahar said:

Problem is how does the Range Rover know two disabled drivers turn up? they won't put their badge up until they stop and they certainly won't get out of the car, perhaps make their wheelchair, roll around to the Range Rover driver and ask if he could move will they. No they will simply park in a non disabled spot and then struggle.

I posted the Streetview earlier, there are dozens of disabled bays.