HGV vs caravan smash on the M6
Discussion
kapiteinlangzaam said:
He had ample (and repeated) opportunity to avoid what happened, all he had to do is NOT accelerate in to the gap, no need to even touch the brakes. Plus, professional drivers are (rightly) held to a higher level of accountability than non-professionals.
Doing as you describe, he still would have hit him.At 1:58, I'd be expecting the Honda to go in front of the Scenic.
By 2:00, I'd be thinking uh-oh, this is about to go badly.
By 2:03, an accident now seems very likely, so personally I would have used the horn and probably braked if safe, but you would have to back off by a caravan length.
The caravan is also wider than the tow car, so you might be inclined to try and avoid that tighter pinch point as it comes closer and is about to hit the cab, if your expectation is still that the CRV driver is going to abort.
At about 2:05, there's the first contact.
trashbat said:
oing as you describe, he still would have hit him.
At 1:58, I'd be expecting the Honda to go in front of the Scenic.
By 2:00, I'd be thinking uh-oh, this is about to go badly.
By 2:03, an accident now seems very likely, so personally I would have used the horn and probably braked if safe, but you would have to back off by a caravan length.
The caravan is also wider than the tow car, so you might be inclined to try and avoid that tighter pinch point as it comes closer and is about to hit the cab, if your expectation is still that the CRV driver is going to abort.
At about 2:05, there's the first contact.
instead, at 1.58 truck accelerates and moves right. what was the point of that?At 1:58, I'd be expecting the Honda to go in front of the Scenic.
By 2:00, I'd be thinking uh-oh, this is about to go badly.
By 2:03, an accident now seems very likely, so personally I would have used the horn and probably braked if safe, but you would have to back off by a caravan length.
The caravan is also wider than the tow car, so you might be inclined to try and avoid that tighter pinch point as it comes closer and is about to hit the cab, if your expectation is still that the CRV driver is going to abort.
At about 2:05, there's the first contact.
then keeps accelerating into the crash for several seconds
Blue Oval84 said:
So, it was fairly clear to me that the HGV driver HAD seen him, but just chose not to let him in, and Mr CRV was obviously going to get in regardless.
Where does liability lie here then? He was joining the lane, but the HGV driver clearly carried on when the car was coming over anyway.
Shared liability. Each of them had ample opportunity to avoid the collision. Pair of morons.Where does liability lie here then? He was joining the lane, but the HGV driver clearly carried on when the car was coming over anyway.
john2443 said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Plus, professional drivers are (rightly) held to a higher level of accountability than non-professionals.
Professional means that they are being paid to do the job, are you suggesting that anyone driving anything under 7.5t does it voluntarily?Sump said:
john2443 said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Plus, professional drivers are (rightly) held to a higher level of accountability than non-professionals.
Professional means that they are being paid to do the job, are you suggesting that anyone driving anything under 7.5t does it voluntarily?I very much doubt that Mr Cock with the caravan would have the rudeness to barge into the checkout queue in the supermarket in the midst of everyone who'd been patiently shuffling forward, why does he think queuing doesn't apply to him when he's pulling £20k of caravan behind him? As others have said that know the junction, or by watching the full video, he had 1.5 miles to join the queue politely, or just go around and join the queue at the back like you would at the supermarket.
Double cock points for persisting when the HGV has made it clear he's not a pushover and isn't just going to let him in?
On the basis of that video, HGV driver might face a charge of something or other but I'm not sure what, however Caravan Cock is definitely down for dangerous driving, if he genuinely missed the massive queue for his exit, and I think it unlikely, he should have just learned a small lesson about the road and carried on to the next exit, instead he chose to learn a very big lesson about wrecked CRVs and stretched caravan towbars.
Double cock points for persisting when the HGV has made it clear he's not a pushover and isn't just going to let him in?
On the basis of that video, HGV driver might face a charge of something or other but I'm not sure what, however Caravan Cock is definitely down for dangerous driving, if he genuinely missed the massive queue for his exit, and I think it unlikely, he should have just learned a small lesson about the road and carried on to the next exit, instead he chose to learn a very big lesson about wrecked CRVs and stretched caravan towbars.
Both at fault.
The lorry driver could see this coming. If he'd backed off then he and his goods would be on time instead of sat blocking a busy Motorway and causing paperwork for him, his boss and a recovery service. Will his boss think he was right to drive like that?
Caravanner should clearly have not come across.
What would I have done? I would have but the back of my caravan in front of the lorry then created the gap or driven on to the next junction. Would not have tried to squeeze in that way while towing.
What would you have done?
The lorry driver could see this coming. If he'd backed off then he and his goods would be on time instead of sat blocking a busy Motorway and causing paperwork for him, his boss and a recovery service. Will his boss think he was right to drive like that?
Caravanner should clearly have not come across.
What would I have done? I would have but the back of my caravan in front of the lorry then created the gap or driven on to the next junction. Would not have tried to squeeze in that way while towing.
What would you have done?
surveyor said:
Both at fault.
The lorry driver could see this coming. If he'd backed off then he and his goods would be on time instead of sat blocking a busy Motorway and causing paperwork for him, his boss and a recovery service. Will his boss think he was right to drive like that?
Caravanner should clearly have not come across.
What would I have done? I would have but the back of my caravan in front of the lorry then created the gap or driven on to the next junction. Would not have tried to squeeze in that way while towing.
What would you have done?
If I was the caravan bloke I would have joined the queue a long way back before the junction, trying to barge in with a truck there was stupid. The lorry driver could see this coming. If he'd backed off then he and his goods would be on time instead of sat blocking a busy Motorway and causing paperwork for him, his boss and a recovery service. Will his boss think he was right to drive like that?
Caravanner should clearly have not come across.
What would I have done? I would have but the back of my caravan in front of the lorry then created the gap or driven on to the next junction. Would not have tried to squeeze in that way while towing.
What would you have done?
kev1974 said:
I very much doubt that Mr Cock with the caravan would have the rudeness to barge into the checkout queue in the supermarket in the midst of everyone who'd been patiently shuffling forward, why does he think queuing doesn't apply to him when he's pulling £20k of caravan behind him? As others have said that know the junction, or by watching the full video, he had 1.5 miles to join the queue politely, or just go around and join the queue at the back like you would at the supermarket.
Double cock points for persisting when the HGV has made it clear he's not a pushover and isn't just going to let him in?
On the basis of that video, HGV driver might face a charge of something or other but I'm not sure what, however Caravan Cock is definitely down for dangerous driving, if he genuinely missed the massive queue for his exit, and I think it unlikely, he should have just learned a small lesson about the road and carried on to the next exit, instead he chose to learn a very big lesson about wrecked CRVs and stretched caravan towbars.
This 100%, I can't believe some of the responses on here blaming the HGV (or whatever it turned out to be) driver. Yes any normal person would probably have made a space for the caravan. However if there isn't a space in the lane you want to be in you will have to find someone else more willing to let you in, or drive to the next junction and put it down to experience to get in lane earlier next time. You simply cannot drive into a lane full of vehicles, especially on a motorway.Double cock points for persisting when the HGV has made it clear he's not a pushover and isn't just going to let him in?
On the basis of that video, HGV driver might face a charge of something or other but I'm not sure what, however Caravan Cock is definitely down for dangerous driving, if he genuinely missed the massive queue for his exit, and I think it unlikely, he should have just learned a small lesson about the road and carried on to the next exit, instead he chose to learn a very big lesson about wrecked CRVs and stretched caravan towbars.
hora said:
The Truck driver accelerated clearly twice to block. TBH if someones that stupid I'd sound the horn and brake. Not try and block/close anyone cheekily getting in.
Which should have been more than enough warning to Mr Caravan Cock that what he was doing was wrong and to back off himself (and carry on to the next junction).KTF said:
Mr_Yogi said:
You simply cannot drive into a lane full of vehicles, especially on a motorway.
Maybe but the HGV driver seemed to drive into the side of the CRV when he didn't have to.
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