HGV vs caravan smash on the M6
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Obviously Mr Crv shouldn't have left it so late to exit,
but having found himself in the hatched area which is his initial mistake, he should've just waited to be let in by the queuing traffic on his left and eaten humble pie - we all make mistakes.
The speeding up and "door shutting" by the HGV is in a way understandable - we've all had our dander raised by late filters and pushy drivers.
The trucker should have given way to the CRV at the end of the day and perhaps vented with a bit of choice language and the knowing that he has been the bigger man and better driver.
but having found himself in the hatched area which is his initial mistake, he should've just waited to be let in by the queuing traffic on his left and eaten humble pie - we all make mistakes.
The speeding up and "door shutting" by the HGV is in a way understandable - we've all had our dander raised by late filters and pushy drivers.
The trucker should have given way to the CRV at the end of the day and perhaps vented with a bit of choice language and the knowing that he has been the bigger man and better driver.
The truck driver is stubborn but the CRV driver is at fault for this.
When he first attempted to push in and failed due to the truck driver closing the gap, why wouldn’t you drop back to see if the car behind would let you in? If they won’t, go to the next exit and double back, don’t cause a crash!
When he first attempted to push in and failed due to the truck driver closing the gap, why wouldn’t you drop back to see if the car behind would let you in? If they won’t, go to the next exit and double back, don’t cause a crash!
Sump said:
berlintaxi said:
Sump said:
I think there is a clear split between the blue collar workers and white collar workers here.
That chip must weigh heavily, there clearly isn't any split.
Dunno, sounds like a very astute observation by Sump to me.
Sargeant Orange said:
As you get older you realise that letting pushy knobs like the caravan driver into a gap in front of you is not the end of the world & much more preferable than having to sort out an accident & the complications and cost that goes with it.
Both drivers were absolute idiots
Agreed. A little thought from both drivers could have avoided the whole thing.Both drivers were absolute idiots
Both drivers are in the wrong - as I've been reminded by Policemen in the past
"What would a safe, competent, prudent driver do ?"
The caravanner is a moron on several levels:
Waiting to the last minute is silly in a car but with a caravan is idiotic (I tow)
If you want to push in you are better to do so in front of the small car rather than the large lorry
When you've had contact STOP do not accelerate and blindly drive into a gap that is clearly half the size you need.
I used to drive like the lorry driver - until I grew up - I agree that he shouldn't have to let the moron in, however he demonstrated what can happen if you don't - causing huge traffic issues and clean up costs.
However if everyone made it easy for morons to join queues at the last minute then 70+% would exit at the last minute causing chaos.
If I were in charge:
I'd ban the caravan driver and make him re sit his test 65% at fault.
I'd give the lorry driver 6 points for careless driving 35% at fault.
"What would a safe, competent, prudent driver do ?"
The caravanner is a moron on several levels:
Waiting to the last minute is silly in a car but with a caravan is idiotic (I tow)
If you want to push in you are better to do so in front of the small car rather than the large lorry
When you've had contact STOP do not accelerate and blindly drive into a gap that is clearly half the size you need.
I used to drive like the lorry driver - until I grew up - I agree that he shouldn't have to let the moron in, however he demonstrated what can happen if you don't - causing huge traffic issues and clean up costs.
However if everyone made it easy for morons to join queues at the last minute then 70+% would exit at the last minute causing chaos.
If I were in charge:
I'd ban the caravan driver and make him re sit his test 65% at fault.
I'd give the lorry driver 6 points for careless driving 35% at fault.
Ved said:
dkatwa said:
I often give way to HGVs though I have an Aston and can easily move ahead and claim pole position...but what is the point??
Fascinating. Tell me more.
Another one for shared liability here.
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane - as people fill your "braking distance" to the car in front.
However - to maintain your position - even when it is apparent a collision is imminent - then to continue accelerating into that - is reckless and dangerous.
Likewise - to try and bully your way into a queue, then when it is clear someone has closed the door - essentially dare them into an accident by continuing to pull over (probably not even looking - hence in his mind absolving himself of culpability and outsourcing the decision to cause the accident to the other party) is again reckless and dangerous.
50/50 from me!
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane - as people fill your "braking distance" to the car in front.
However - to maintain your position - even when it is apparent a collision is imminent - then to continue accelerating into that - is reckless and dangerous.
Likewise - to try and bully your way into a queue, then when it is clear someone has closed the door - essentially dare them into an accident by continuing to pull over (probably not even looking - hence in his mind absolving himself of culpability and outsourcing the decision to cause the accident to the other party) is again reckless and dangerous.
50/50 from me!
A mate of mine had an accident similar to this, albeit both parties were cars. He tried to close the gap on someone who was trying to jump in at the end of a lane closure, however he spent too much time looking at the car pushing in to notice the car in front had stopped sharply in front of him & he went into the back of it. The guy pushing in drove off without a scratch.
He had his wife & kids in the car and his wife now suffers permanent back pain due to the crash. Plus he has a fault claim on his insurance.
Suffice to say he won't be closing any gaps again in a hurry.
He had his wife & kids in the car and his wife now suffers permanent back pain due to the crash. Plus he has a fault claim on his insurance.
Suffice to say he won't be closing any gaps again in a hurry.
Sargeant Orange said:
surveyor said:
I'm also curious about the blind police car.... Surely he notice this?
Looks more like a utilities company vehicle to mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFeBIxRyxag
AndyLB said:
Another one for shared liability here.
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
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No, completely wrong.We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
By blocking people and playing petty games you then become part of the problem.
Bradley1500 said:
The truck driver is stubborn but the CRV driver is at fault for this.
When he first attempted to push in and failed due to the truck driver closing the gap, why wouldn’t you drop back to see if the car behind would let you in? If they won’t, go to the next exit and double back, don’t cause a crash!
This.When he first attempted to push in and failed due to the truck driver closing the gap, why wouldn’t you drop back to see if the car behind would let you in? If they won’t, go to the next exit and double back, don’t cause a crash!
It's a gamble coming up the outside, hoping a gap will appear for you. If you lose the gamble you have to be prepared to carry on to the next exit and come back.
I struggle to empathise with these two drivers, even if I want to ram into somebody, my reactions automatically do their best to avoid a crash.
With these feet said:
Seriously, there are people on here that will deliberately hit another road user - regardless of whether in the right or wrong - simply because its their "right of way"?
No wonder driving standards are off down the s
tter when simply giving someone a few feet of space is too much to ask.
But PH is full of well above average driving gods. Clearly consideration and trying to avoid a crash is not a requirement of a good driver.No wonder driving standards are off down the s
tter when simply giving someone a few feet of space is too much to ask.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff