HGV vs caravan smash on the M6
Discussion
liner33 said:
Absolutely, a little consideration would have gone a long way , the CRV driver was having to almost stop in a live lane of the motorway
Totally avoidable , having a camera fitted seems to mean you can drive like a dick as long as you are in the right
IMO the HGV driver is nothing short of a cock. You can clearly see the CRV is stranded in the wrong lane for one reason or another but is clearly showing its intentions. Whether its down to his ineptitude, being unfamiliar to the area or the roadworks and single lanes where there would be 2/3 or 4, the Honda driver was desperate for someone to let him in. Yes, the final move from the CRV driver was one of the most ridiculous stubborn attempts at barging in ever seen. He should have held back and slotted in behind, but the truck driver drove into the side of the CRV knowing what he was doing and took no evasive action. Hardly a professional attitude to have? If someone worked for me did that I would sack them, not because of the damage or having an accident, but being overly aggressive and showing no respect for other road users.Totally avoidable , having a camera fitted seems to mean you can drive like a dick as long as you are in the right
mp3manager said:
Judging by the camera height and the height of the CRV in relation to the bottom of the windscreen, it's not a proper truck and more probably a 7.5 tonner, which are usually driven by steering wheel attendants or car-drivers pretending to be proper truckers.
Well spottedI was there yesterday evening. Exactly the same situation with the m5 traffic moving slowly along the filter lane and smart arses coming to a stop in the fast moving lanes to cut in at the last moment.
Two people did the same thing to me (albeit without caravans in tow) so I just made a gap. I'd rather let them in than watch an HGV steam into the back of them, no matter how much of a knob I thought they were being.
That lorry driver would have lost no time at all by letting in the caravan (the traffic was crawling).
He could have called the CRV driver all the names under the sun to make him feel better and he would have carried on his way listening to the end of the match and never given it a second thought.
Both were in the wrong IMO
Two people did the same thing to me (albeit without caravans in tow) so I just made a gap. I'd rather let them in than watch an HGV steam into the back of them, no matter how much of a knob I thought they were being.
That lorry driver would have lost no time at all by letting in the caravan (the traffic was crawling).
He could have called the CRV driver all the names under the sun to make him feel better and he would have carried on his way listening to the end of the match and never given it a second thought.
Both were in the wrong IMO
Watching it again, the car ahead of the HGV had left a gap ahead of him, there would have been time and space for the caravan to get in there if he hadn't been such a twonk.
It looks like at the point the caravan was going to hit the Armco at the junction he just pulled across anyway, deliberately driving into the lorry.
If you do get yourself in the wrong lane, either because you don't know where you're going or because you're trying to jump the queue, there comes a point that you have to take it on the chin that you need to carry on to the next junction and sort it out from there, he reached that point and still insisted on pulling in.
It looks like at the point the caravan was going to hit the Armco at the junction he just pulled across anyway, deliberately driving into the lorry.
If you do get yourself in the wrong lane, either because you don't know where you're going or because you're trying to jump the queue, there comes a point that you have to take it on the chin that you need to carry on to the next junction and sort it out from there, he reached that point and still insisted on pulling in.
Hmm.. Less exciting than I thought it was going to be.
50 / 50 on the insurance claim?
Is there a question on the claim form "Is there anything you could have done to prevent the accident?".
The old boy with the caravan is obviously the root cause, but the stubbornness of the truck driver played a part too and I doubt he'd have come out of this well.
50 / 50 on the insurance claim?
Is there a question on the claim form "Is there anything you could have done to prevent the accident?".
The old boy with the caravan is obviously the root cause, but the stubbornness of the truck driver played a part too and I doubt he'd have come out of this well.
Agree Honda man was wrong, but another view could be: The lorry was on the exit slip, in slow moving traffic, the Honda missed the back of the queue and now has to try and fit in to a gap without stopping in a live lane. There was a gap, lorry and that car in front could have easily manuvred to allow him to get in.
The Lorry guy chose not to and help out his fellow man. That makes him a t
t.
Honda driver decided to carry on regardless. That makes him an idiot.
That's just one view, of course Honda guy might have thought "sod that I'm not waiting, I'll go to the front and dive in".
That accident could have been much worse, and im pretty sure in the miles and miles of queues that followed, everyone else was pretty pissed off with both of them.
Crazy behaviour. Both should have been banned.
50/50 for the reality of causing the accident, but 100% Hondas fault if you read it by the letter of the road rules.
The Lorry guy chose not to and help out his fellow man. That makes him a t
t.Honda driver decided to carry on regardless. That makes him an idiot.
That's just one view, of course Honda guy might have thought "sod that I'm not waiting, I'll go to the front and dive in".
That accident could have been much worse, and im pretty sure in the miles and miles of queues that followed, everyone else was pretty pissed off with both of them.
Crazy behaviour. Both should have been banned.
50/50 for the reality of causing the accident, but 100% Hondas fault if you read it by the letter of the road rules.
HGV drivers are professional drivers...they do it for a living...I see no point jeopardising their licence just to get ahead of the traffic. IIRC, the HGV driver saw the car in his mirror a way back, but next thing he noticed was the other driver diving in front of him....
I would apportion blame to the other driver as he can see the big lorry in front of him and should have anticipated it.
I often give way to HGVs though I have an Aston and can easily move ahead and claim pole position...but what is the point??
I would apportion blame to the other driver as he can see the big lorry in front of him and should have anticipated it.
I often give way to HGVs though I have an Aston and can easily move ahead and claim pole position...but what is the point??
Bodo said:
Here's another https://youtu.be/rAGNDfXSRHY
Bonus points for having the caravan bursting on camera.
One of my favourite YT clips now Bonus points for having the caravan bursting on camera.
It sounds like there is some contact before he darts in front of the truck - surely that'd be the point the truck driver should have hit the brakes yet he seems to continue on. No idea what the guy with the caravan was thinking when he cut right in, could he have hit the accelerator in panic? It's utter suicide move otherwise and could never have worked.
Baffling why the caravan didn't go into the big spot ahead of the Renault Scenic, instead he just drove into the side of the lorry 
I'd say 75% Caravans fault, 25% HGVs fault.
From the noise there was contact before the pit maneuver, and after this initial contact the caravan kept driving
I'd say 75% Caravans fault, 25% HGVs fault.
From the noise there was contact before the pit maneuver, and after this initial contact the caravan kept driving
CRV driver caught out by whats going on at junction = made a mistake. Indicates and shows to HGV what he needs to do.
HGV can see what he needs to do - drop back and let the CRV in and all would have been well with the world
He doesnt.
It's like the thread yesterday where HC says if you're being overtaken, if necessary you have to drop back to allow the overtake to complete.
But there's more than that. There's due care care for other road users
And driving without due care and attention
HGV driver should have the book thrown at him.
and anyone else who doesn't let someone in when they can see it's obvious what needs to happen.
Some Karma would be good
IMHO
HGV can see what he needs to do - drop back and let the CRV in and all would have been well with the world
He doesnt.
It's like the thread yesterday where HC says if you're being overtaken, if necessary you have to drop back to allow the overtake to complete.
But there's more than that. There's due care care for other road users
And driving without due care and attention
HGV driver should have the book thrown at him.
and anyone else who doesn't let someone in when they can see it's obvious what needs to happen.
Some Karma would be good
IMHO
Edited by saaby93 on Monday 20th April 08:39
rpguk said:
It sounds like there is some contact before he darts in front of the truck - surely that'd be the point the truck driver should have hit the brakes yet he seems to continue on. No idea what the guy with the caravan was thinking when he cut right in, could he have hit the accelerator in panic? It's utter suicide move otherwise and could never have worked.
Perhaps he is a very nervous (or just bad) driver. Think his wife must have been asleep as I would imagine she would have been screaming in his ear while it was happening! Or perhaps the wife was saying " carry on, he will let you in" hence the absolute look of disbelief on the old guys face.
You're daft if you think that was anything other than the Honda driver's fault. By the time he's indicating, he's already run out of road, and when he moves across, it's across the solid white line.
I know the HGV driver doesn't back off, but there's accommodating people with a bit of courtesy, and then there's braking hard to let in a long car and caravan combo that can easily abort.
The only thing that surprised me the first time was the HGV driver not using the horn as it develops.
At the end of the day, people can drive into you if they really want, and if you think that should mean 50/50, god help us all.
I know the HGV driver doesn't back off, but there's accommodating people with a bit of courtesy, and then there's braking hard to let in a long car and caravan combo that can easily abort.
The only thing that surprised me the first time was the HGV driver not using the horn as it develops.
At the end of the day, people can drive into you if they really want, and if you think that should mean 50/50, god help us all.
saaby93 said:
CRV driver caught out by whats going on at junction = made a mistake. Indicates and shows to HGV what he needs to do.
HGV can see what he needs to do - drop back and let the CRV in and all would have been well with the world :cloud:
He doesnt.
It's like the thread yesterday where HC says if you're being overtaken, if necessary you have to drop back to allow the overtake to complete.
But there's more than that. There's due care care for other road users
And driving without due care and attention
HGV driver should have the book thrown at him.
and anyone else who doesn't let someone in when they can see it's obvious what needs to happen.
Some Karma would be good
IMHO
thisHGV can see what he needs to do - drop back and let the CRV in and all would have been well with the world :cloud:
He doesnt.
It's like the thread yesterday where HC says if you're being overtaken, if necessary you have to drop back to allow the overtake to complete.
But there's more than that. There's due care care for other road users
And driving without due care and attention
HGV driver should have the book thrown at him.
and anyone else who doesn't let someone in when they can see it's obvious what needs to happen.
Some Karma would be good
IMHO
CRV driver was stupid, shouldn't have been there
Truck driver crashed deliberatly 'cos i'm in the right'
it was entirely avoidable by him, and he's the professional driver...
wasted a days work for his company, blocked the motorway
I would sack him on the basis of that, or keep him in the warehouse
It wont go 50/50 or 75/25 in the truckers favour.
Yes he could have eased off but he doesn't have to. The car driver should have checked it was safe to carry out his manoeuvre. He was the one changing lanes. Liability will be 100% against the car driver.
Why on earth would you want to put your car in front of an accelerating truck?
Yes he could have eased off but he doesn't have to. The car driver should have checked it was safe to carry out his manoeuvre. He was the one changing lanes. Liability will be 100% against the car driver.
Why on earth would you want to put your car in front of an accelerating truck?
I'm not sure how to feel about this...
I dislike caravans because I live in a popular tourist area and they are like a slow moving plague, but I also dislike HGV drivers because they seem to whack their indicator on and simply start changing lanes on the motorway irrespective of wether there is someone else next to them, on the assumption 'you will move'.
You can guarantee if I decided to be bloody minded and not move next time a HGV indicates last minute to pass another HGV on the motorway it would result in the truck ploughing into the side of me.
They are both idiots but the caravanner is the bigger idiot. Even after the first bump 'n' scrape along the side of the truck he STILL decides to floor it and go for a car sized gap. Incredible.
I dislike caravans because I live in a popular tourist area and they are like a slow moving plague, but I also dislike HGV drivers because they seem to whack their indicator on and simply start changing lanes on the motorway irrespective of wether there is someone else next to them, on the assumption 'you will move'.
You can guarantee if I decided to be bloody minded and not move next time a HGV indicates last minute to pass another HGV on the motorway it would result in the truck ploughing into the side of me.
They are both idiots but the caravanner is the bigger idiot. Even after the first bump 'n' scrape along the side of the truck he STILL decides to floor it and go for a car sized gap. Incredible.
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