HGV vs caravan smash on the M6

[saaby93]

With these feet said:

Seriously, there are people on here that will deliberately hit another road user - regardless of whether in the right or wrong - simply because its their "right of way"?

You can see them doing the same with pedestrians
eg Doddery old granny taking longer than usual to cross the road
Do you maintain speed and run them over, or ease up a bit and let them cross safely?

It's all covered under due care for other road users. If it's in our power to avoid a collision, we should use it

[V8forweekends]

Hugo a Gogo said:

CRV is clearly in front of him, as can been seen by that fact that he is sideway across the bumper at the end

The CRV is, but he (Mr CRV) seems to have forgotten about the large tupperware box attached to the rear of his car.

[V8forweekends]

MrBarry123 said:

CR-V driver is a numpty.
HGV driver is a selfish bugger as 99% of them seem to be.

If I was stuck in the queue that inevitably caused I'd be fking livid that I was delayed as a result of two carrot munchers being so dickish. Completely avoidable and would have cost the HGV driver all of 5 seconds to let the CR-V in.

I reckon most of the massive delays when Mways are closed etc are cuased by daft driving like this - I was astounded on one of those cop shows where they'd closed the A1 for hours - the copper looked at the camera and said "At the end of the day, it's just one of those things, no-one's fault" - one vehicle had rear-ended another.

[Lordglenmorangie]

The HGV driver did not have much room, apart from braking and coming to a complete standstill his options were limited. The CRV driver got what he deserved, in fact I would have run the fk over, anyone with a pink rugby shirt should be run over.

The first time in fifty years of driving I am taking the HGV drivers side

[berlintaxi]

DAVEVO9 said:

Have a look at this vid clip..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOSRGIpeBzU

Proper HGV this time. You can clearly see the height difference.

It is not a HGV in the caravan crash clip.

Edited by DAVEVO9 on Monday 20th April 09:12

Its a puddle jumper who thinks he is driving a proper truck, unfortunately many of them around.

[nipsips]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

The CRV driver is an idiot, but the HGV driver had ample opportunity to avoid the inevitable.

Above all, the HGV driver is supposed to be a professional. Something (I think) a lot of them forget.

That insurance claim will be 50/50, if I were the HGV driver I wouldn't have made that video public, and if I were his employer he'd be getting the boot.

This video is an excellent demonstration of the pitfalls of being a hot-head. They both had their days ruined (and maybe more) for the sake of maintaining ones position in a crawling queue of traffic. Worth it? NOPE!

So for it to be 50/50 you have to have some negligence against the truck driver.

Where does it say in the highway code that you have to brake, potentially causing an accident behind you to let someone who was indicating in. It doesnt. The truck driver is established in his lane and has every right to accelerate if he sees fit to do so. The caravan driver has to adapt his driving to suit.

There is no way this will go 50/50 even with the truck accelerating. And I have years of motor claims experience.

[carreauchompeur]

Would it be inflammatory to suggest that the lady running up the motorway afterwards was a lady of ill repute gratefully fleeing the trucker's cab?

[trashbat]

kiseca said:

I disagree. I'm pretty sure that we are bound by law to avoid contributing to accidents where we reasonably can, even when someone else is at fault for creating the hazard.

Sort of. 'Reasonably' being the key.

The litmus test is normally what would a 'reasonable person' do. Don't confuse this with 'competent driver' or whatever else.

Is the accident predictable? I wouldn't have predicted that the CRV driver would keep on going for it at all costs. I wouldn't even have thought it all that likely that they would make the first attempt to get in.

The CRV driver's driving seems to be objectively appalling. The HGV driver's driving is quite possibly poor, depending on his options and expectations. The CRV driver makes a catalogue of mistakes, and the HGV driver making one doesn't mean that he should fold over and take a big chunk - never mind half - of the liability.

[With these feet]

nipsips said:

So for it to be 50/50 you have to have some negligence against the truck driver.

Where does it say in the highway code that you have to brake, potentially causing an accident behind you to let someone who was indicating in. It doesnt. The truck driver is established in his lane and has every right to accelerate if he sees fit to do so. The caravan driver has to adapt his driving to suit.

There is no way this will go 50/50 even with the truck accelerating. And I have years of motor claims experience.

Really, so the fact the truck driver closed the gap, then continued to push the car once contact was made is fine and dandy?
The video shows the driver was aware of the CRV, regardless of right of way or indicating, it was clear that the driver knew he was there, yet at no point did he adjust his position - in fact he actually moves to the right just before the collision, which could be seen as DD?

Edited to add, the truck driver should have stopped anyway as there was contact already, pretty sure you can hear it just as the car goes out of view.

Edited by With these feet on Monday 20th April 09:26

[V8forweekends]

carreauchompeur said:

Would it be inflammatory to suggest that the lady running up the motorway afterwards was a lady of ill repute gratefully fleeing the trucker's cab?

...and she'd managed to wriggle out of the roll of carpet in the back

[Jaguar steve]

If I'd been Mr Pringle and his little fibreglass home from home I'd have given up my very late very rude lane change and exit attempt way before the impact and just trundled along to the next junction. The fact that he didn't and continued attempting to barge in, crossing the solid white line marking the lanes in the process with the obviously inevitable consequences says volumes to me.

What happens when Cock meets Cock 'tho... Pity all the poor saps stuck in the resutling carnage.

[Quhet]

berlintaxi said:

DAVEVO9 said:

Have a look at this vid clip..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOSRGIpeBzU

Proper HGV this time. You can clearly see the height difference.

It is not a HGV in the caravan crash clip.

Edited by DAVEVO9 on Monday 20th April 09:12

Its a puddle jumper who thinks he is driving a proper truck, unfortunately many of them around.

Jesus, why does it matter what someones driving?

[Boydie88]

Standard, when two tts meet isn't it? But it would be nice if it went 100% blame to the CRV.

I do hate people that jump into exit queues when they're clearly signposted for a mile before but would never intentionally crash into one if they were hell bent on forcing their way in.

[V8forweekends]

Jaguar steve said:

If I'd been Mr Pringle and his little fibreglass home from home I'd have given up my very late very rude lane change and exit attempt way before the impact and just trundled along to the next junction. The fact that he didn't and continued attempting to barge in, crossing the solid white line marking the lanes in the process with the obviously inevitable consequences says volumes to me.

What happens when Cock meets Cock 'tho... Pity all the poor saps stuck in the resutling carnage.

^This

[saaby93]

nipsips said:

So for it to be 50/50 you have to have some negligence against the truck driver.

Where does it say in the highway code that you have to brake, potentially causing an accident behind you to let someone who was indicating in. It doesnt. The truck driver is established in his lane and has every right to accelerate if he sees fit to do so. The caravan driver has to adapt his driving to suit.

I think you ned to re-read your HC code.
Is holding your line, resulting in an avoidable collision there?

nipsips said:

There is no way this will go 50/50 even with the truck accelerating. And I have years of motor claims experience.

No wonder some claims go the way they do. Maybe some retraining?

[DAVEVO9]

Quhet said:

Jesus, why does it matter what someones driving?

Because the OP said it was a HGV and it clearly isn't. So it does matter.

[berlintaxi]

Quhet said:

berlintaxi said:

DAVEVO9 said:

Have a look at this vid clip..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOSRGIpeBzU

Proper HGV this time. You can clearly see the height difference.

It is not a HGV in the caravan crash clip.

Edited by DAVEVO9 on Monday 20th April 09:12

Its a puddle jumper who thinks he is driving a proper truck, unfortunately many of them around.

Jesus, why does it matter what someones driving?

Cause it is a lot easy to stop 7.5 tonnes, which depending on your age can be driven on a car licence, as opposed to 44 tonnes which requires proper training and a driving test, most professional drivers would have backed off and avoided the collision.

[tr7v8]

I've towed many things Caravans included & you always anticipate & move over early. Mainly because harsh braking disturbs stuff in the back of the caravan. As the CRVs navigation is so poor then he & his Tin Tent got it wrong, he could have stuck a left indicator on & I'm sure someone would have let him in. Pushing across like that was stupid & only going to end one way. The traffic is very stop start anyway, look at the Scenic in front of the wagon that cannot maintain a sensible gap & speed.

[DervVW]

That lane is signed for miles. There is no excuse for the CRV to wait until the last min.
People accomodating late changers like that cause the line of slow moving traffic you see on the M6/M5 junction daily. Enough is enough, I'm not sure i'd have gone through to contact, but I certianly would not have made it easy for the guy to enter the lane.

[john2443]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Plus, professional drivers are (rightly) held to a higher level of accountability than non-professionals.

Professional means that they are being paid to do the job, are you suggesting that anyone driving anything under 7.5t does it voluntarily?