M5/M6 merge/collision driving poll

[anonymous-user]

Right or wrong doesn't help you much when you're stuck blocking a motorway exit like the lorry driver. If you can't hack people jumping queues, cutting in late, being in the wrong lane etc without getting angry enough to cause an accident then you are not cut out for driving and should catch the bus. All the ranting in the world isn't going to stop this happening.

[Hackney]

I was about to say they're both as bad as each other, but I actually think Mr Pringle is (slightly) worse.

Lorry driver's choice: Let him in / don't let him in
Caravan tower's choice: stop / continue on the motorway / drive into the moving lorry

To me the caravan driver made a more conscious decision to crash.
The lorry driver - numpty though he undoubtedly is - must be thinking, "he'll back out, he'll back out of it, he'll back out of it..... he's crashed into me"

Although the lorry driver is effectively playing chicken he's in the slightly more advantageous position. He doesn't necessarily make the affirmative decision to crash.
The caravan driver does. Or he is the most unaware, blind driver on the road.

Anyway, splitting hairs, two idiots.

[stedale]

Osinjak said:

It's really odd, the last year or so I've just developed a laissez-faire attitude to other people's mistakes. It happens, it's part of life and I honestly have better and more important things to worry about. People can be dheads undoubtedly but few deliberately set out in the morning with the express intent of being the world's worst driver, I'm quite chuffed that I seem to have reached a point in life where I just don't care if other people make a mistake, it happens.

Likewise. Infact, at the risk sounding intolerably smug, the better driver will anticipate other drivers mistakes and accommodate for them thus completely avoiding escalation and ultimately feeling very pleased with themselves.

[GAjon]

Halb said:

rj1986 said:

GAjon said:

Let him in, spend the next 10miles chunnering on to myself with things like,
There just aren't enough signs for some people.
Silly old needs to resit his test.
fking zombie moron can't see further than the end of his bonnet.
Prick, , fkbag, wker, ttty fk wit.

Dad??

Mum??

Be quiet in the back, and shut that window theres a draught on the back of me neck!

[stavers]

The problem is that you don't know what has happened beforehand. If I knew the guy in the caravan had been in the lane for turning left and then pulled in to the 'middle' lane and was trying to force his way back in then I would probably keep my car dead level with his.
If, however, it looked like he genuinely made a mistake then I would probably leave just enough room for him - then it's up to him if he wants to cut it a bit close.

The guy with the caravan should have seen the gap in front of the Scenic, behind the police car, and gone for that rather than picking a fight with the lorry!

It would also depend what car I was in! If I was in my daily that I don't really care about then I probably wouldn't be quite as forgiving either!

[Gandahar]

It's the poor bloke / lady / family behind I feel sorry for, they were probably thinking "If only had been a bit further in front"

If it had been me I would have been desperate for a crap as well after not stopping at the last services thinking i could last

[ZesPak]

What I don't get is, why didn't the lorry driver use his horn as soon as the guy tries to merge?
I know it's a big fking lorry, but the old chap might just not seen it/assumed it would have moved.

Seems to me the lorry driver is just out to get an accident, and is probably the same kind of chap that expects you to move over for him, not because that's what you do for lorry drivers, but because his truck is bigger than your car.

[RGambo]

They caused an easily avoidable accident. It was arrogant/pigheaded driving by both parties, both could have chosen different options, neither did, both have to deal with the consequences.
If I were in the lorry drivers position, I would probably cursed the old bloke up and down in heaps but let him in.

[CrutyRammers]

stedale said:

Osinjak said:

It's really odd, the last year or so I've just developed a laissez-faire attitude to other people's mistakes. It happens, it's part of life and I honestly have better and more important things to worry about. People can be dheads undoubtedly but few deliberately set out in the morning with the express intent of being the world's worst driver, I'm quite chuffed that I seem to have reached a point in life where I just don't care if other people make a mistake, it happens.

Likewise. Infact, at the risk sounding intolerably smug, the better driver will anticipate other drivers mistakes and accommodate for them thus completely avoiding escalation and ultimately feeling very pleased with themselves.

Very much this.
What a pair of eedjits. As others have said, I've sometimes left it too late to get in the queue for the exit and had to abort and go to the next junction. But then I try to avoid accidents instead of being "right".

[romeogolf]

It's easy to miss the half mile sign, it could also be that the queue built up quicker than the CRV driver expected and he was trying to find a gap to merge, without going so slowly as to hold up the traffic behind him.

Lorry driver was an idiot for not dropping back, regardless of any short-sightedness by the CRV driver.

There's nothing on the road worth causing an accident like this over.

[Flanders.]

Tonberry said:

The lorry driver is a , end of.

What are you trying to prove acting like a big man in your truck cab whilst barely earning more than minimum wage.

The caravan driver left himself short so the response to that is to essentially cause an accident rather than just pull back and let the driver merge?

Lives are lost on the roads every fking year due to stty stunts like these.

wker.

What does money have to do with it?

[xRIEx]

Flanders. said:

Tonberry said:

The lorry driver is a , end of.

What are you trying to prove acting like a big man in your truck cab whilst barely earning more than minimum wage.

The caravan driver left himself short so the response to that is to essentially cause an accident rather than just pull back and let the driver merge?

Lives are lost on the roads every fking year due to stty stunts like these.

wker.

What does money have to do with it?

(Not saying this applies in this case.) Some people who perceive themselves to have very little authority or status may exert what authority they feel they can; this behaviour is classic 'jobsworth' territory, or the office worker who fiercely guards their desk and stationery, putting name labels on their ruler and stapler, etc.

For all I know the truck driver is an owner-operator, although if that were the case I think he would be more conscious of lost revenue due to accident downtime than an employee.

[kambites]

Flanders. said:

What does money have to do with it?

This is Pistonheads. You must know by now that on here the validity of your opinion is directly proportional to your wealth.

[0000]

It's sweet they found each other.

Caravan driver's fault right up until the point the lorry driver video'd himself being a tool and deliberately letting a crash happen.

[Flanders.]

kambites said:

Flanders. said:

What does money have to do with it?

This is Pistonheads. You must know by now that on here the validity of your opinion is directly proportional to your wealth.

I shouldn't be allowed to even browse the forums, let alone post if that's the case .

[Ali_T]

HustleRussell said:

Nickname for wife / girlfriend?

Just for the horrible voice that haunts my sat nav. I've made her speak Italian, though, so I can get a massive erection when stuck in traffic and she keeps telling me to do a U turn.

[grimmac]

6% of respondents really prepared to actually have the crash in this situation? Really?

[RAClNG SNAKE]

That 6% are likely to be the ones who have previously taken avoiding action only to collide with someone/something else and watch the perpetrator drive off scot-free.

[SuperchargedVR6]

Combat driving at it's best, with an inevitable outcome.

As the Caravan was merging across a broken line, didn't he have to give way to the lorry, technically speaking?

It's amazing how many hoops sane people have to jump through to own a gun, and yet insane people are allowed to drive a big, heavy steel weapon on the roads by simply passing a test.

Edited by SuperchargedVR6 on Tuesday 21st April 14:56

[Fastdruid]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

Combat driving at it's best, with an inevitable outcome.

As the Caravan was merging across a broken line, didn't he have to give way to the lorry, technically speaking?

It's amazing how many hoops sane people have to jump through to own a gun, and yet insane people are allowed to drive a big, heavy steel weapon on the roads by simply passing a test.

It's no different from entering a major road from a minor road and just forcing your way out, driving into the car on the major road if they don't let you out.