M5/M6 merge/collision driving poll
Poll: M5/M6 merge/collision driving poll
Total Members Polled: 631
Discussion
Welshwonder said:
I haven't been on this junction ever in my life, so I don't know the traffic patterns. I would say the lorry driver may be trying to plan ahead. I wouldn't be very happy if some moron in a caravan got in front of me coming off a motorway and then proceeded to drive at 40mph for the next 15 miles on a single carriage A road. Overtaking it is going to be very difficult. Yes, I know LGV's are (currently) limited to 40mph, but even if I was in my speed limited transit connect, overtaking would be a challenge.
The lorry was quite aggressive in closing the gap between him and the Renault, so you could almost see it coming. Bit uncalled for maybe, but if you need to make progress, having a caravan in front will almost certainly mean you won't.
It's a motorway to motorway- he ain't gong to be held up by the wobbly bottom....The lorry was quite aggressive in closing the gap between him and the Renault, so you could almost see it coming. Bit uncalled for maybe, but if you need to make progress, having a caravan in front will almost certainly mean you won't.
The Vambo said:
FredClogs said:
Two bell ends have a s
t crash. Wagon driver was watching sky sports, I'll put my pants on it,
Then your Baws will be chilly, that is either Absolute Radio or TalkSport. They sponsor live Football commentary on both. t crash. Wagon driver was watching sky sports, I'll put my pants on it, I'm probably not qualified to comment as I'm not the powerfully-built company director type but when I was at school I didn't try to influence the playground behaviour of those who would obviously go on to become just that!
CRV + caravan versus lorry is only ever going to end in favour of lorry!
Hopefully that will be one less caravan t**t getting in everyones' way.
I've missed junctions before - just go to the next one and come back FFS!
He ought to have to sit a re-test or at least go on an awareness course - would call him an Ae but they are useful sometimes, he isn't!
CRV + caravan versus lorry is only ever going to end in favour of lorry!
Hopefully that will be one less caravan t**t getting in everyones' way.
I've missed junctions before - just go to the next one and come back FFS!
He ought to have to sit a re-test or at least go on an awareness course - would call him an A
e but they are useful sometimes, he isn't!Mr Tidy said:
I'm probably not qualified to comment as I'm not the powerfully-built company director type but when I was at school I didn't try to influence the playground behaviour of those who would obviously go on to become just that!
CRV + caravan versus lorry is only ever going to end in favour of lorry!
Hopefully that will be one less caravan t**t getting in everyones' way.
I've missed junctions before - just go to the next one and come back FFS!
He ought to have to sit a re-test or at least go on an awareness course - would call him an Ae but they are useful sometimes, he isn't!
That's the CRV driver sorted.CRV + caravan versus lorry is only ever going to end in favour of lorry!
Hopefully that will be one less caravan t**t getting in everyones' way.
I've missed junctions before - just go to the next one and come back FFS!
He ought to have to sit a re-test or at least go on an awareness course - would call him an A
e but they are useful sometimes, he isn't!What are you going to do with the lorry driver?
The same for his own misdemeanour?
I pass this junction everyday and can safely say that if you get that far in the wrong lane you shouldn't be driving at all. The M5 is split with a dotted line for about 1 mile and lanes are signposted for several miles from before the previous junction.
My conclusion is caravan man should not be on the road at all ever again. Lorry man needs anger management.
My conclusion is caravan man should not be on the road at all ever again. Lorry man needs anger management.
Edited by NoNeed on Tuesday 21st April 21:55
Just to keep this on track again
The poll isnt about the car/caravan driver. You can see he's ahead of the truck signalling left and for whatever reason whether he's familiar or unfamiliar with the junction needs to take the exit and is trying to move into space to do it
The poll is about what would you do when this happens, would you hold the line to the point of having a collision or would you drop back and allow the guy and his family to carry on with their holiday.
The poll isnt about the car/caravan driver. You can see he's ahead of the truck signalling left and for whatever reason whether he's familiar or unfamiliar with the junction needs to take the exit and is trying to move into space to do it
The poll is about what would you do when this happens, would you hold the line to the point of having a collision or would you drop back and allow the guy and his family to carry on with their holiday.
DottyMR2 said:
Totally, 100%, unequivocally the fault of the caravan muppet.
On the contrary, this shows that collisions are rarely just one person's "fault" and are the result of both parties doing something less than sensible.As people have said, just let them in. Better to have a bad driver in front of you where you can control your distance to them.
Frik said:
DottyMR2 said:
Totally, 100%, unequivocally the fault of the caravan muppet.
On the contrary, this shows that collisions are rarely just one person's "fault" and are the result of both parties doing something less than sensible.Frimley111R said:
Frik said:
DottyMR2 said:
Totally, 100%, unequivocally the fault of the caravan muppet.
On the contrary, this shows that collisions are rarely just one person's "fault" and are the result of both parties doing something less than sensible.i.e. if a pedestrian were to step out in front of you & it was possible for you to brake & avoid hitting him, but you instead decided to stay on the throttle & just drive into him, you'd have failed in your responsibilities.
Yes you were lawfully maintaining course & direction before he entered your path. Yes if it had been impossible for you to avoid him there'd be no blame on you, but if you could have avoided him but chose not to you are culpable for your part in the collision as well as he is for his.
I'd let the caravan in and curse. I wouldn't want to damage my car.
Although the lorry driver sounds like a jumped up tt the CRV/Caravan combo looked like he was forcing his way in regardless so I guess he got what was coming to him. I don't believe the CRV didn't see the lorry as he could obviously see a queue of vehicles which he expected to part and let him in.
In the CRV/Caravan situation I would accept I've missed my exit carry on and get off at the next (I've done that many times before too).
Although the lorry driver sounds like a jumped up t
t the CRV/Caravan combo looked like he was forcing his way in regardless so I guess he got what was coming to him. I don't believe the CRV didn't see the lorry as he could obviously see a queue of vehicles which he expected to part and let him in.In the CRV/Caravan situation I would accept I've missed my exit carry on and get off at the next (I've done that many times before too).
Caravanner made the mistake
Lorry driver made the accident. Therefore I would find the lorry driver guilty.
I suspect Mr Pringle sort of knew the junction (but potentially not that well!) Usually the junction has two lanes off and it is probably pretty easy to cut into the second lane at a late stage (in a normal car without towing!!). Mr Pringle probably could not see the cones (especially when alongside a HGV) and thought the HGV could/ would 'just' pull across.
Mike
Lorry driver made the accident. Therefore I would find the lorry driver guilty.
I suspect Mr Pringle sort of knew the junction (but potentially not that well!) Usually the junction has two lanes off and it is probably pretty easy to cut into the second lane at a late stage (in a normal car without towing!!). Mr Pringle probably could not see the cones (especially when alongside a HGV) and thought the HGV could/ would 'just' pull across.
Mike
Frimley111R said:
Sorry but unless you have a different highway code it is the responsibility of the caravan owner to move safely into another lane. Despite everything it all comes down to that. If someone won't let you in you wait, you don't force your vehicle over and force someone to stop. One day they might not....
Quite. Caravanman tried to win against a lorry, bad idea. 
I wouldn't let him in as that junction goes back for miles, and ultimately if you miss a junction, you miss a junction and feel a bit silly (I've done it loads of times). I think the "BUT I WAS INDICATING" attitude doesn't help my lack of sympathy for the stripey shirt man.
How far I'd push it would depend what car I'm in! When I used to drive my shed of a £200 passat with mismatched doors and dented panels, I'd quite happily plod on in my lane, not too fussed if someone wants to swipe the side of my car with their new CRV by pushing their way in. It made driving in central London really relaxing as Bentleys et al didn't really chance it/cut you up/pull out on you.
Otherwise, I'd close the gap, but probably eventually bail out and feel sorry that the fker in front has a caravan attached to a CRV.
How far I'd push it would depend what car I'm in! When I used to drive my shed of a £200 passat with mismatched doors and dented panels, I'd quite happily plod on in my lane, not too fussed if someone wants to swipe the side of my car with their new CRV by pushing their way in. It made driving in central London really relaxing as Bentleys et al didn't really chance it/cut you up/pull out on you.
Otherwise, I'd close the gap, but probably eventually bail out and feel sorry that the f
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