Sensible options for car
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matty0194 said:
castex said:
This does not mean anything.
Basically in a nut shell i wanted ypu guys to suggest what i should go for out of Passat/Jetta/Golf 06/07 Model and i was gonna add to brakes to improve safety thats all. And what i meant is that there made to the highest standards imaginablematty0194 said:
Welshbeef said:
This is simply not true at best it might be a couple of feet. You've been sold the idea which is tosh.
stock brakes use a single piston in the caliper opposed to three with the Brembo caliper and numerous test prove this reduction plus grooves in the disc repel heat so less chance to lock up which is what a first time driver (Me for example) doesnt want Will the calipers and disc actually fit safely inside the rim? If not that's an additional cost you need to consider.
Ins will increase premium for brakes modification and non OEM wheels.
matty0194 said:
castex said:
Does it have to be a Volkswagen? I'd be looking at sporty French hatches.
German reliabilty is key for my first car plus either of the three have that luxury feel when you get inside and i kinda want a VR6 as my second car
If you want reliability get a Japanese car, a Mazda 3 should fit the bill. It may not appear as obviously luxurous as a VW, but do you want to spend your time driving your car or sitting on the hard shoulder stroking the dashboard?Welshbeef said:
northwest monkey said:
If you seem to know so much, why so many questions?
eta - the insurance company will see the brakes as a performance mod, not a safety mod & will adjust the premiums accordingly.
And he cannot justify /afford the premium on an A3 audi yet will spunk ££ on an entire brake system upgrade. eta - the insurance company will see the brakes as a performance mod, not a safety mod & will adjust the premiums accordingly.
In fact, here's some more "mods" for the OP.
matty0194 said:
northwest monkey said:
Hmmm. I'm imagining the "entire brake system upgrade" to involve some stickers on the front wing.
My first car gonna be completley stock not messed with just the Brakes will be the exception.matty0194 said:
My first car gonna be completley stock not messed with just the Brakes will be the exception.
one thing let's assume your car with better brakes can stop 40 feet sooner than OEM. When you actually use them on the road 99.9999% of other drivers have OEM brakes so you will have your back door smashed in literally. Of course you will not shave 40feet off 100foot sOEM stopping distance from a cheap £800 brake change. Actually that value sounds just like the costs of OEM new discs and pads - you'd not get 4x calipers in for that not braided hoses not upgraded brake servo.
So you could be bolting on something which will do nothing - also they will unlikely fit inside the existing rims. Do they foul the OEM shocks?
matty0194 said:
My first car gonna be completley stock not messed with just the Brakes will be the exception.
You do realise that these super duper brakes you are going to fit will only really make a difference when stopping from speed many times in quick succession? Where your argument of them being "for safety's sake" falls flat. OEM brakes will stop any car in a perfectly acceptable distance, as quick as mega posh ones, just not over and over on a track - and if it's because you want good brakes so you can drive more progressively, do us all a favour and spend the money on driver training instead.castex said:
I should say at this point that i've owned three vehicles with Brembo brakes and they are damn good stoppers. 
I've had them a few times - they squeal a lot but yes stop well (though those models didn't come with anything else so impossible to compare). Now we're talking about a what 75bhp 1.4ltr 1.3tonne car.
He will never sustain high speed to suffer brake fade - nor should anyone on the open road and OP wouldn't dream of tracking this sort of car would be an utter waste of time.
If OP is that worried buy a Golf GTI Mk5 which comes with those brakes or a Leon Cupra or a Fiat a Coupe 20VTurbo - oh hold on there are all >200bhp cars 150mph ish cars with 0-100mph around the 15 second mark.
A 1.4 ltr Polo is 104mph and 50 seconds to 100mph it simply doesn't warrant the brakes - talk about taking a nuke to a game of fiddly winks
castex said:
I've had brake fade in massively underpowered cars. All you need is the right combination of terrain and enthusiasm. It's not nice.
Ok but are you seriously saying/giving advice to the OP to go for a complete brake system change & upgradeBrake servo
New brake lines
Braided hoses
New larger vented discs all round
3 pot calipers up front single on the rear
New alloys to fit it all in.
Which apparently will reduce braking distance from 100foot to 60foot - not even ceramics do that % reduction so these truly are wonder brakes and Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo owners shouldn't waste £16k on OEM ceramics ditch that option buy £800 Brembos specials with 40% stopping distance improvement.
. All for a 75bhp 1.4 Polo ?
Welshbeef said:
castex said:
I've had brake fade in massively underpowered cars. All you need is the right combination of terrain and enthusiasm. It's not nice.
Ok but are you seriously saying/giving advice to the OP to go for a complete brake system change & upgradeBrake servo
New brake lines
Braided hoses
New larger vented discs all round
3 pot calipers up front single on the rear
New alloys to fit it all in.
Which apparently will reduce braking distance from 100foot to 60foot - not even ceramics do that % reduction so these truly are wonder brakes and Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo owners shouldn't waste £16k on OEM ceramics ditch that option buy £800 Brembos specials with 40% stopping distance improvement.
. All for a 75bhp 1.4 Polo ?
Ali_T said:
Has the OP ever driven a 1.4 Golf? Trust me, they're incapable of going fast enough to require Brembo brakes.
I've had this 'honour' (along with a 1.4 Octavia) . Geared for 'nippy' around town but grandad's 11-plate Golf is totally outclassed by my £500 Rover 45 diesel in the open road performance stakes.Brakes on modern Veedubs are so bloody sensitive that an upgrade is completely pointless (always forget this fact when driving my girlfriend's Golf Plus).
I'm calling another Troll coming on here getting grumpy when the advice of the (semi
) knowledgeable people here doesn't match what they want to hear 
Ali_T said:
Has the OP ever driven a 1.4 Golf? Trust me, they're incapable of going fast enough to require Brembo brakes.
Absolutely.I had a Mk5 1.4 Golf for my first car at 17. Cool car to have at that age (and felt luxurious compared to a Corsa, Fiesta etc.) however it never troubled the standard brakes, let alone anything of a higher caliber. You won't be able to get any heat into them and they'll be wasted.
Also, regarding reliability... Mine only had 39k on it when I got it (cost around £6k) and within 6 months it had a leaking radiator and then needed replacement radiator fans.
No idea why you need uprated brakes on a car that plain and simply doesn't need them, save your money "improving the safety" of your car until you actually have a car that warrants any sort of performance upgrades.
Secondly why are you wasting 5k on a first car?
3k (50/50 on car and insurance) will provide you with a decent enough car to run about in for a year to obtain 1 years NCB (hopefully) and will in turn give you a better rate next year for a better spec car.
Pissing away 5k on a first car that you only plan to upgrade is pointless as is wasting it on upgrades that aren't needed on any poverty spec first car.
Just save your cash for a better second car, your be thanking youself later.
Secondly why are you wasting 5k on a first car?
3k (50/50 on car and insurance) will provide you with a decent enough car to run about in for a year to obtain 1 years NCB (hopefully) and will in turn give you a better rate next year for a better spec car.
Pissing away 5k on a first car that you only plan to upgrade is pointless as is wasting it on upgrades that aren't needed on any poverty spec first car.
Just save your cash for a better second car, your be thanking youself later.
carmadgaz said:
I've had this 'honour' (along with a 1.4 Octavia) . Geared for 'nippy' around town but grandad's 11-plate Golf is totally outclassed by my £500 Rover 45 diesel in the open road performance stakes.
Brakes on modern Veedubs are so bloody sensitive that an upgrade is completely pointless (always forget this fact when driving my girlfriend's Golf Plus).
I'm calling another Troll coming on here getting grumpy when the advice of the (semi ) knowledgeable people here doesn't match what they want to hear
First car I drove in anger was my mum's Golf Mk2 1.3C with a throbbing 55bhp. The brakes were never an issue. The rest of the car was crap, but the brakes were fine!Brakes on modern Veedubs are so bloody sensitive that an upgrade is completely pointless (always forget this fact when driving my girlfriend's Golf Plus).
I'm calling another Troll coming on here getting grumpy when the advice of the (semi
) knowledgeable people here doesn't match what they want to hear Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff