RE: Aston Martin DB11 spy pics
Discussion
Burwood said:
Impasse said:
AMG oily bits and with Matt Becker heading up the suspension development the new generation cars should be impressive machines.
Are amg supplying v12 engines as well? The db9 replacement is def v12Would be great to be positive about this new iteration but
It will have to be amazing to trump Fiskers Thunderbolt design:
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/11/980x490/henrik-fi...
The entire drivetrain and related electronics will be provided by AMG, not "just" the engine. So AML will be adding the bodyshell and sewing some leather chairs and thus it will be as much if not more AMG than AML.
Though someone who worked at the factory said there would be a non turbo'd V8, the AMG turbo V8 and an AMG V12. The non Turbo V8 would have nothing to do with AMG...apparently.
As much as people praise Dr Bez and rightly so, one of his final acts was to sign away Aston's future with the AMG deal, this being at least consistent after his attempt to move all production out of the UK and inititiate Rapide production in Austria. Seems he wanted a warm welcome on coming home.
To many on PH, the advent of AMG will be just a super idea, having no idea what a factory looks like. However there will be another 200 UK engineering graduates without a future in automotive engineering, a shame given what JLR, McLaren and others are achieving.
Second hand normally aspirated Aston prices likely to increase in 2017 perhaps.
It will have to be amazing to trump Fiskers Thunderbolt design:
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/11/980x490/henrik-fi...
The entire drivetrain and related electronics will be provided by AMG, not "just" the engine. So AML will be adding the bodyshell and sewing some leather chairs and thus it will be as much if not more AMG than AML.
Though someone who worked at the factory said there would be a non turbo'd V8, the AMG turbo V8 and an AMG V12. The non Turbo V8 would have nothing to do with AMG...apparently.
As much as people praise Dr Bez and rightly so, one of his final acts was to sign away Aston's future with the AMG deal, this being at least consistent after his attempt to move all production out of the UK and inititiate Rapide production in Austria. Seems he wanted a warm welcome on coming home.
To many on PH, the advent of AMG will be just a super idea, having no idea what a factory looks like. However there will be another 200 UK engineering graduates without a future in automotive engineering, a shame given what JLR, McLaren and others are achieving.
Second hand normally aspirated Aston prices likely to increase in 2017 perhaps.
Neil1300r said:
Burwood said:
Impasse said:
AMG oily bits and with Matt Becker heading up the suspension development the new generation cars should be impressive machines.
Are amg supplying v12 engines as well? The db9 replacement is def v12
Burwood said:
I think that's been shelved Neil. The facts are that Ford produce all Astons engines and that deal is over within a year. If Aston want to economically go toe to toe with Ferrari and lambo they need significantly more power.
Nope. Engine manufacturing deal for V12 is signed until 2017Andy_Palmer said:
One of the reasons for having an electric car [the DBX concept] is to allow me to continue with the V12 for longer," he told us, "of course, we've got to make it emissions compliant - the current V12 has to be completely renewed. But yes, we will have a 12-cylinder engine in our future, our customers demand that.
And it's necessary too. The only engine included in the technical partnership with Daimler is AMG's new twin-turbocharged V8
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/british-cars/aston-martins-andy-palmer-ph-meets/31857And it's necessary too. The only engine included in the technical partnership with Daimler is AMG's new twin-turbocharged V8
Sir_Owsty said:
The exterior pictures show the car is clearly a right hand drive, the interior shot is of a left hand drive. Also the sign seen through the windscreen says "wait here until green light", not something to be found In Germany and particularly not on the Nordscheife.
The interior pics were taken in the roadworks between M40 J12 and the Gaydon site. There is a semi-resident spy photographer who stands at the B4100/B4451 roundabout and snaps whatever he sees in camo from the JLR / Aston sites. (Streetview here).Neil1300r said:
Burwood said:
I think that's been shelved Neil. The facts are that Ford produce all Astons engines and that deal is over within a year. If Aston want to economically go toe to toe with Ferrari and lambo they need significantly more power.
Nope. Engine manufacturing deal for V12 is signed until 2017Andy_Palmer said:
One of the reasons for having an electric car [the DBX concept] is to allow me to continue with the V12 for longer," he told us, "of course, we've got to make it emissions compliant - the current V12 has to be completely renewed. But yes, we will have a 12-cylinder engine in our future, our customers demand that.
And it's necessary too. The only engine included in the technical partnership with Daimler is AMG's new twin-turbocharged V8
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/british-cars/aston-martins-andy-palmer-ph-meets/31857And it's necessary too. The only engine included in the technical partnership with Daimler is AMG's new twin-turbocharged V8
smilo996 said:
Would be great to be positive about this new iteration but
It will have to be amazing to trump Fiskers Thunderbolt design:
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/11/980x490/henrik-fi...
The entire drivetrain and related electronics will be provided by AMG, not "just" the engine. So AML will be adding the bodyshell and sewing some leather chairs and thus it will be as much if not more AMG than AML.
Though someone who worked at the factory said there would be a non turbo'd V8, the AMG turbo V8 and an AMG V12. The non Turbo V8 would have nothing to do with AMG...apparently.
As much as people praise Dr Bez and rightly so, one of his final acts was to sign away Aston's future with the AMG deal, this being at least consistent after his attempt to move all production out of the UK and inititiate Rapide production in Austria. Seems he wanted a warm welcome on coming home.
To many on PH, the advent of AMG will be just a super idea, having no idea what a factory looks like. However there will be another 200 UK engineering graduates without a future in automotive engineering, a shame given what JLR, McLaren and others are achieving.
Second hand normally aspirated Aston prices likely to increase in 2017 perhaps.
What a load of rubbish. You're talking out your arse.It will have to be amazing to trump Fiskers Thunderbolt design:
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/11/980x490/henrik-fi...
The entire drivetrain and related electronics will be provided by AMG, not "just" the engine. So AML will be adding the bodyshell and sewing some leather chairs and thus it will be as much if not more AMG than AML.
Though someone who worked at the factory said there would be a non turbo'd V8, the AMG turbo V8 and an AMG V12. The non Turbo V8 would have nothing to do with AMG...apparently.
As much as people praise Dr Bez and rightly so, one of his final acts was to sign away Aston's future with the AMG deal, this being at least consistent after his attempt to move all production out of the UK and inititiate Rapide production in Austria. Seems he wanted a warm welcome on coming home.
To many on PH, the advent of AMG will be just a super idea, having no idea what a factory looks like. However there will be another 200 UK engineering graduates without a future in automotive engineering, a shame given what JLR, McLaren and others are achieving.
Second hand normally aspirated Aston prices likely to increase in 2017 perhaps.
AMG gave access to engines and associated electrics, and some other electrical trinkets. And the CEO said that they're continuing with the V12 anyway. AML will not be "adding the bodyshell and sewing some leather". What you mean to say is, they'll be engineering the entire car - exactly as they have been for the past decade - except in some cars they will also offer an AMG-derived engine bolted in instead of the V12. The V12 which, I hasten to remind you, has been around since 1999 - so the present-day AML powertrain engineers are hardly designing from scratch on every new car anyway, are they? Their job is to take an existing engine and try to improve it. How does the stamp on the block make any difference? It's a component like any other.
Oh and I doubt that the rest of the drivetrain will be AMG, AML love their transaxle gearboxes, AMG doesn't use those so that's out.
For what it's worth, "adding the bodyshell and sewing some leather chairs" is pretty much most of the work involved in designing a new car.
"Having no idea what a factory looks like" - sorry, do you mean the Gaydon factory, where completed engines arrive in crates and get bolted into bodies that were designed, built and assembled on-site? Or do you mean the German factory where the V12 has been built since its inception in the corner of a Ford plant? Wait, does that make Aston Martins more Ford than AML? I've lost track of how your rules work, mate.
The AMG deal was one of the best moves of Bez's career. OK, there won't be 20 (not 200) UK engineering graduates taking (purely hypothetical) ground-up engine design roles at AML. But there will be a steady flow of graduates into the rest of the business - you know, where they do the paltry work of designing, engineering, and selling the entire bloody car - and 2000+ people get to keep their existing jobs, because otherwise AML probably didn't have long left.
I really don't know why people are being silly over the AMG V8 being used. The current V8 they have been using for years is a Ford engine and it is also made in Germany just like the AMG one will.
All that is happening is that Aston, instead of paying silly sums of cash to have their name placed above a Ford owned and staffed factory in Germany they will instead be giving equity to a different German engine builder in what is very, very clearly a better deal than trying to renew with Ford.
At the end of the day it is just another engine. And just like the Ford AJ series various manufacturers have made it their own with their own character and I'm sure Aston will do just the same with the AMG lump as they have done with Ford's.
All that is happening is that Aston, instead of paying silly sums of cash to have their name placed above a Ford owned and staffed factory in Germany they will instead be giving equity to a different German engine builder in what is very, very clearly a better deal than trying to renew with Ford.
At the end of the day it is just another engine. And just like the Ford AJ series various manufacturers have made it their own with their own character and I'm sure Aston will do just the same with the AMG lump as they have done with Ford's.
Zod said:
r no, look again. The instrument binnacle is an electronic display. The dash is full of Mercedes gizmos.
Came here to say the same thing. 100% a merc digital dash. Buttons tucked down the side of the cente console look merc-ish aswell. Most probably has the new TT V8 under the bonnetGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff