RE: Shed Of The Week: Alfa Romeo 164

RE: Shed Of The Week: Alfa Romeo 164

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tr7v8

7,192 posts

228 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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RicksAlfas said:
aarondbs said:
And, I'm pretty sure they are belt driven!!
Not on these. The later 16 valve iron block Twin Sparks were belt driven (to their cost!).

This is the all alloy 8 valve proper job. wink
+1 always wanted one of these & that engine in the 75 was fantastic!

BFleming

3,593 posts

143 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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So there's allegedly about 135 Alfa 165's left on the road, but I can't tell you the last time I saw one. Possibly the least family-like Tipo 4 car of the 4 (Saab 9000, Lancia Thema, Fiat Croma & Alfa 164), and better for it. The 2.0 mills were ok as Shed says, the problem being anyone who drove the 3.0 couldn't have any respect for the 2.0!
Love it this week, great find.

aarondbs

844 posts

146 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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RicksAlfas said:
Not on these. The later 16 valve iron block Twin Sparks were belt driven (to their cost!).

This is the all alloy 8 valve proper job. wink
Now that is definitely worth knowing

soad

32,877 posts

176 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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The Don of Croy said:
Very nice. Didn't a certain J. May have the 'posh' version as a company car once?

Good shed, good value.

Keep up the good work.
yes Alfa Romeo 164 three-litre V6.

As seen on TV: it's shed time
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/274...

rm89

348 posts

177 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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This is one of the first sheds to catch my attention for a long time. Lovely old thing.

dbdb

4,315 posts

173 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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The 164 is a very good looking car to my eyes. The interior disappoints me slightly, but overall I like them quite a bit. They're well on their way down the road to classic status now though - rather than just an interesting old Shed, at least in my view.

craig_m67

949 posts

188 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Ug_lee said:
300kg between the 4 pot and the V6??

What was the V6 block made of, lead?
The actual V6 is perhaps 40kg heavier at the most.
Maybe the rest is rust,given it's heavier than steel (whilst still attached)

The TS engine is better (retro)suited into the 105 coupes and spider.

Edited by craig_m67 on Friday 24th April 11:30

Ali_T

3,379 posts

257 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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That 300kg may be from the Q4 with it's 4wd system? The normal 3.0 was only around 1300-1350kg. Same as a "lightweight" modern hot hatch.

s m

23,215 posts

203 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Ali_T said:
That 300kg may be from the Q4 with it's 4wd system? The normal 3.0 was only around 1300-1350kg. Same as a "lightweight" modern hot hatch.
Autocar weighed a 3.0 12v Lusso at 1365kg

A 12v 3.0 Cloverleaf came in at 1444kg

A Q4 was over 1600kg

Those will be in road trim and half a tank of fuel, ready to go, no people or luggage on board

grumpy52

5,571 posts

166 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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I bought a 164 2.0ts special Edition in green with green mouldings and bumpers (instead of the usual dark grey ) also had 5 spoke alloy wheels (cromadora ?)
Green velour interior and in built power amps for the rear speakers.
I bought it for the value of the tax on the screen (£60)
It had a short MOT , put a new caliper on the back for the new mot , and ran it until it needed re-testing .
The dash lit up like Disneyland when you hit a bump ,"cured" by wedging a folded beer mat in the corner of the instrument cluster .
Sold it on ebay to an alfa nut who only wanted the wheels .

RichardR

2,892 posts

268 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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The central air vents look like they were modeled on an 80's package holiday hotel block!


V8 TEJ

375 posts

161 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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s m said:
Ali_T said:
That 300kg may be from the Q4 with it's 4wd system? The normal 3.0 was only around 1300-1350kg. Same as a "lightweight" modern hot hatch.
Autocar weighed a 3.0 12v Lusso at 1365kg

A 12v 3.0 Cloverleaf came in at 1444kg

A Q4 was over 1600kg

Those will be in road trim and half a tank of fuel, ready to go, no people or luggage on board
I think there is an error in the article. I'm pretty sure my (smaller) Alfa 155 V6 that I owned was around 1350 kg so I can't see this being lighter at 1200 kg. It certainly can't be lighter than my very basic BMW E28 which is 1220 kg? Will do some research...

adey

16 posts

235 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Great cars, I've had three, from this TS to the 3 litre cloverleaf, but getting hold of parts was starting to get difficult and that was years ago. I ended up doing the same as the seller - having to buy another one just for spares!

carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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I spotted this 164 in the PH classifieds midweek.

Does anyone know where it is? 'UK' is a bit vague. It could be two counties away or in another country.

stevestead

3 posts

137 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Remember my 164 fondly, great continental tourer. Particularly remember travelling four up to Lake Garda and back with us all sitting in armchair comfort. My impression was that the Twin Spark engine always sounded sweeter in the 75 which is the one car I regret selling

carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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stevestead said:
Remember my 164 fondly, great continental tourer. Particularly remember travelling four up to Lake Garda and back with us all sitting in armchair comfort. My impression was that the Twin Spark engine always sounded sweeter in the 75 which is the one car I regret selling
I think I've read similar said about the V6, in that it sounded better in the 75 or Alfetta GTV than the 164. Something to do with being mounted longtidudinally rather than transverse?

I'm fortunate enough to have visited Como and Garda. Fond memories.

Chris Rees

20 posts

209 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Bella machina. In fact the 164 still gives me the fondest memories of any car I've ever owned, and it's easily the best-looking saloon of the Decade that Taste Forgot.

2.0 TS is the best engine in my view (V6 doesn't handle nearly as nicely). Be warned though: the 164 can be pretty pricey to maintain, which almost certainly explains why there are so few around now. Still would though.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

165 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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I'm really quite keen on that, and I'm not usually tempted by largeish saloons.

The article mentions an early valve timing system - anyone care to enlighten me?

RicksAlfas

13,384 posts

244 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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mrtwisty said:
The article mentions an early valve timing system - anyone care to enlighten me?
Alfa introduced an oil driven "Variator" in the early 1980s which acts on the inlet cam only.
It was used right through until the end of the Twin Sparks on the 147.

Twoshoe

851 posts

184 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Top shed. Have always liked these - I have owned 5 in my time (from 8v to 24v, never quite managed a Cloverleaf though), and covered something like 300,000 miles in them. Only ever got marooned once, by a failed (German!) battery.
Can't remember the last time I saw one though.