R8 vs 997.Turbo vs GT-R

[macky17]

Incidentally, of the three you suggested I voted 997TT. r8 v8 a little sluggish and GTR... Well let's not start that again (but I have owned one). From your original post however, why are you looking at daily drivers? Don't let the pendulum swing too far towards useabilty as you will only get bored.

[mattf93]

Zippee said:

He specifically stated turbos though!!

Sorry Turbos:
1.9k Manual (apparently)
1500 PDK
1300 Tiptronic

These aren't exact figures thats just numbers I've roughly added up from how many left (not exactly easy as have to gauge what year the new turbos were registered etc (looks like 13 on really)
But thats still over 3K nearly 5K Turbos.
So my figures weren't far out!

[The_Edge]

mattf93 said:

I know you have posted these things, but do you have a set budget, although not as quick as a gtr or turbo, I would really consider an Aston Martin v8 Vantage (4.7 is much better) manual.
A friend of mine came from a tvr into a v8 vantage as it felt like a more natural step, looks gorgeous, sounds amazing and it was something he had always wanted. He then went to a v8 vantage s roadster (manual), to a DBS Manual now to a DBS Volante Auto, he's now struggling at where to go (nice problem to have) next.

He loves the brand, the heritage and the noise, he did say the v8 r8 was his other choice but fancied the aston more.
I really think you should consider one, although I know that not all are the most reliable, if you've got enough budget for a 4.7 manual you should be ok

Out of your choices I would 100% go with the Audi, they are so balanced and useable, yes theyre less practical than the 911 ( I wouldn't give the GTR a look in as the interior is crap and the stereotype with it) but imo looks better and sounds better than the turbo. Natural Aspirated engines will be gone before long, so enjoy them why they are still here!
However it is about what YOU want Id pick an R8 or a V8 vantage though. (Manual) of course.

Hope these views aren't too critical. I know Im going to get hate :P

Interestingly I've completely ruled out Aston. Used to love the brand but having got up close and personal with them, I'm massively disillusioned and have no intention of buying one. Sorry.

Intend to admire the form from afar and nothing more now.

[The_Edge]

macky17 said:

Incidentally, of the three you suggested I voted 997TT. r8 v8 a little sluggish and GTR... Well let's not start that again (but I have owned one). From your original post however, why are you looking at daily drivers? Don't let the pendulum swing too far towards useabilty as you will only get bored.

Agree completely.

I don't think the pendulum's gone too far with this particular spread though - do you?

[Debaser]

The_Edge said:

R8 - well refined and "special" but expensive to live with
997.Turbo - safest option with the performance but something of a stigma attached to the marque
GT-R - absolute weapon but to the extent of being too extreme/raw in comparison

Is an R8 noticeably more expensive to own than the others?

[The_Edge]

Debaser said:

Is an R8 noticeably more expensive to own than the others?

All these are about the same budget range hence the year-specific description.

There are decent examples between £40-45k

[macky17]

The_Edge said:

Agree completely.

I don't think the pendulum's gone too far with this particular spread though - do you?

Having owned the GTR and a 996TT and driven several v8 r8s... yeah I do. You will miss the rawness and indeed "the edge" you're accustomed to. Maybe if you weren't coming from a cerbera but the damage is done

[stuno1]

For me the r8 is a bit bland and would have to be the v10 so out of budget. The 911 is common (not turbo) but the shape is similar enough to put me off them as a choice and I don't like the GTR and think the shape has already dated. Have you looked at an evora?

[Wills2]

I'd go with a 997.2 C2S or stretch the budget to a 997.2 GTS, naturally aspirated rear wheel drive 911's are a joy to thread down a country road the damping and chassis balance are superb as is the howl from the flat 6 if you get one with PSE.

The rear engine gives oodles of grip but you can still get the tail wagging whilst the absence of 4wd compared to the turbo lifts the steering and gives great chatter through the wheel.

In PDK form they are pretty nippy too, the GTS will hit 60 in 4 and 100 in 9 the C2S a few 10ths later call it 4.2/9.3 whilst giving 30mpg+ on a run (if that is a consideration)

They are a unique car imho.

[epom]

For me from that group it'd be the R8. I think if I was in your position it's the car that would be what I would consider perfect for the job. In fact when my numbers come I intend to use one as a daily

[macky17]

Exactly, a daily...

If you really have to have a boot how about an exige v6 s? Prices down to mid 40s now. I'd have tried one but at 6-4 it wasn't an option for me.

[Pooh]

I would go for the 911 out of those three but I would, and actually did, choose a Maserati GranTurismo 4.7 S over any of them and I have never regretted it for a moment.

[Jasandjules]

Out of the three I'd have the GT-R. A bit more exciting - which is what you need if you are binning a Cerbera.

[John D.]

R8 for me. Love the looks and engine, and a bit more special than the others to my eyes (proper mid-engined supercar).

The comments about them being too common baffle me! Rarely see one. GTR seem a bit more widespread. 911 Turbos ten a penny!

[Jasandjules]

John D. said:

The comments about them being too common baffle me! Rarely see one.

Well, there are a lot of TTs out there and most people won't see any differences......

[mattf93]

The_Edge said:

Interestingly I've completely ruled out Aston. Used to love the brand but having got up close and personal with them, I'm massively disillusioned and have no intention of buying one. Sorry.

Intend to admire the form from afar and nothing more now.

Thats a shame, but I understand,
As another option as a daily driver I would echo whats said and Look at a Maserati Granturismo 4.7 (not 4.2) they are quite heavy though in comparison to say an r8 (1450kg v about 1800/1900kg I think).
Gearbox selection you need to be careful on - if you do a lot of town driving the auto is much better, but if more of your driving is out of city/towns the MC shift is the more intuitive box for pressing on (shifts are pretty crisp beyond 5K revs).

In terms of fuel/running costs:
R8 Will probably be the cheapest to run if things don't really go too wrong.
24.5mpg
911 Turbo
23.9 mpg
GTR tends to eat brakes and tyres.
22mpg
Maserati 4.7 Auto = 22.9mpg MC Shift = 22.2mpg

Don't know if any of that stuff bothers you at all as a daily driver, thats about as much as I used to get out of my 1.2 renault clio
The suggestion of the 997.2 C2S/C2 GTS are a good shout but the latter I think is out of your price range.
Are you any closer to deciding what you want?

[rb5er]

mattf93 said:

Just checked at current there are well in excess of 8K 997s. So your comment is almost laughable.
Before you make statements at least check your figures (howmanyleft ) 911s difficult to gauge due to the fact it doesnt spit them into generations (996/997.1/997.2/991) etc. However there are considerably more 911s than the other 2 stated

mattf93 said:

Sorry Turbos:
1.9k Manual (apparently)
1500 PDK
1300 Tiptronic

These aren't exact figures thats just numbers I've roughly added up so my figures weren't far out!

I accept your apology for your childish insults after coming up with a load of "roughly added up" numbers.

I`ll just leave this here:

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...

Edited by rb5er on Saturday 25th April 15:39

[mattf93]

rb5er said:

I accept your apology for your childish insults after coming up with a load of "roughly added up" numbers.

I`ll just leave this here:

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...

Edited by rb5er on Saturday 25th April 15:39

Already checked that but as he is referring to a manual v8 coupe that equates to only 822 vehicles (683 08/early 09 manuals)
R8 (complete line up) is still far more rare as a complete collective than just the turbo model as a whole line up let alone the rest of the 911 family.
I do wish that how many left would split things up for petrol heads it would make things far easier for us petrol heads to assess numbers and figures rather than stab in the dark and speculate.

OP you're going to have fun picking, but go and test drive everything but the GTR as its a chav car next to the other options imo.

[ZX10R NIN]

The GT-R is a weapon it doesn't feel as special inside but it is the car that will take the other two to task, interior wise the Audi is the place to be for a bit of both then it's the Porsche. For me it would be the GTR with a visit to Litchfield for their 650 Conversion which makes the car come alive.

[John D.]

Jasandjules said:

Well, there are a lot of TTs out there and most people won't see any differences......

Very good.