Why is the 6 series so cheap and why haven't I got one yet..
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Major Fallout said:
No :-)
I got 49mpg from Southampton to Cheshire once but I did every trick in the book and stuck to about 50mph. Never again.
Also worth noting is on non run flats it's 70db at 80mph
I'm sorry to say this however this is absolute codswallop I'm afraid. No doubt you will retort however it just is. From a 550i owner. I got 49mpg from Southampton to Cheshire once but I did every trick in the book and stuck to about 50mph. Never again.
Also worth noting is on non run flats it's 70db at 80mph
They can't be that expensive to maintain surely, not out-with the dealers anyway. Yeah so it's a V8 but there's no M tax for one.
A poster above mentions VANOS and timing chain guide failures. Just how often are they really happening though? The main one I come across with the V8 is about the coolant pipe which isn't even that expensive to sort any more.
A poster above mentions VANOS and timing chain guide failures. Just how often are they really happening though? The main one I come across with the V8 is about the coolant pipe which isn't even that expensive to sort any more.
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Sunday 26th April 23:24
Patrick Bateman said:
They can't be that expensive to maintain surely, not out-with the dealers anyway. Yeah so it's a V8 but there's no M tax for one.
A poster above mentions VANOS and timing chain guide failures. Just how often are they really happening though? The main one I come across with the V8 is about the coolant pipe which isn't even that expensive to sort any more.
I think a lot of people are naturally frightened of large engined cars and the potential for wallet pain. The truth is, on my 5 series at least, anything that goes wrong will more than likely be a 5 series issue and not a V8 issue. Ie just as likely to happen if you had a 520d on the drive. A poster above mentions VANOS and timing chain guide failures. Just how often are they really happening though? The main one I come across with the V8 is about the coolant pipe which isn't even that expensive to sort any more.
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Sunday 26th April 23:24
There's a white 6 goes about our town - local businessman and he keeps it spotless, looks quite mean and I can appreciate why people don't like them. I'd have one in a minute - I'm a huge fan of the e24, and despite the new model being a bloated homage to the original, it's great value.
My mate is a huge 7 series fan, he's had: e32 735i, e38 705li - still owns 2 x e23 735i and an e66 760il. The 760il is a phenomenal car, his is tweaked to about 500hp; I've driven it on a fair few occasions and it is sublime, handling is incredible considering it's the size of a small oil tanker. Pulls from a start to the limiter in a very linear fashion! And it looks like a 730d. Given it's size, it's still quite sleeperish - he's bloodied the noses of some exotica from the time, including his neighbours DB9.
If the 645i is even 8/10ths of the 760 (which I'm more than sure it will be!) then it'll be a fantastic car to own. 760 does 14 around town and late 20's/early 30's on a steady run, and can be had for similar money to the 6. Single figures when you are giving it some though
If you can undertake basic maintenance, find a well maintained example that doesn't need imminent tyres, brakes etc and only cover low mileage, the high end BMW's are fantastic cars - just be prepared to write off half it's value+ if something goes seriously tits up. His cost over £100k new and he paid less than double figures a couple of years ago for a sub 50k miles car.
If it's what you want, get it bought
My mate is a huge 7 series fan, he's had: e32 735i, e38 705li - still owns 2 x e23 735i and an e66 760il. The 760il is a phenomenal car, his is tweaked to about 500hp; I've driven it on a fair few occasions and it is sublime, handling is incredible considering it's the size of a small oil tanker. Pulls from a start to the limiter in a very linear fashion! And it looks like a 730d. Given it's size, it's still quite sleeperish - he's bloodied the noses of some exotica from the time, including his neighbours DB9.
If the 645i is even 8/10ths of the 760 (which I'm more than sure it will be!) then it'll be a fantastic car to own. 760 does 14 around town and late 20's/early 30's on a steady run, and can be had for similar money to the 6. Single figures when you are giving it some though
If you can undertake basic maintenance, find a well maintained example that doesn't need imminent tyres, brakes etc and only cover low mileage, the high end BMW's are fantastic cars - just be prepared to write off half it's value+ if something goes seriously tits up. His cost over £100k new and he paid less than double figures a couple of years ago for a sub 50k miles car.
If it's what you want, get it bought
Edited by stevoknevo on Monday 27th April 02:50
i've just been looking at these
was considering a cheap m3, but these seem to be the same money, and i suspect a lot lower maintenance
didn't like this one though
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
to go with its sunfaded halfords power badge, it has an ac schnitzer badge or sticker on pretty much every body panel on the car
what is wrong with some people?
was considering a cheap m3, but these seem to be the same money, and i suspect a lot lower maintenance
didn't like this one though
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
to go with its sunfaded halfords power badge, it has an ac schnitzer badge or sticker on pretty much every body panel on the car
what is wrong with some people?
Rocker cover gaskets can sweat, just as they do on E39 M5..
Vacuum pump leaks oil, the seal that goes isn't available from BMW so they'll fleece you £350 for a new pump! You can buy new seals from ebay for £7..
I have an auto 550i and it's about identical MPG wise to an old E46 330i auto, if anything the 550 gets more stick.. Averages about 22/23.
There's nothing really to be scared of, a 530d is more likely to throw big bills!
Go for the 6er.. But I'd spend a bit more for the 650i, all reports say they're more fuel efficient, and quicker.
Vacuum pump leaks oil, the seal that goes isn't available from BMW so they'll fleece you £350 for a new pump! You can buy new seals from ebay for £7..
I have an auto 550i and it's about identical MPG wise to an old E46 330i auto, if anything the 550 gets more stick.. Averages about 22/23.
There's nothing really to be scared of, a 530d is more likely to throw big bills!
Go for the 6er.. But I'd spend a bit more for the 650i, all reports say they're more fuel efficient, and quicker.
hornetrider said:
I think a lot of people are naturally frightened of large engined cars and the potential for wallet pain. The truth is, on my 5 series at least, anything that goes wrong will more than likely be a 5 series issue and not a V8 issue. Ie just as likely to happen if you had a 520d on the drive.
Just this..I'd say the 520d would throw bigger bills, apart from at the petrol station!
I bought a 645ci about 2 months ago, as a cheap replacement for my X6.
It's a 2005 car with 54k miles on it. I bought this rather than a 650 because I could get a nicer 645 for the money I was spending.
It's a lovely thing that makes nice noises with enough power to be fun (it's the only car that's made my dad swear when I accelerated out of a 30mph zone).
On the way home from london to Aberdeen it averaged 32mpg, in more normal use 18mpg seems to be about average but as I only do around 5k miles a year it's not really an issue.
I looked at the Mercedes CLS500 as well but I've wanted the 6 series since they were new but have avoided it because of the lack of practicality.
I've now decided that I can get by without back doors and that I don't really care if passengers are cramped.
It's a 2005 car with 54k miles on it. I bought this rather than a 650 because I could get a nicer 645 for the money I was spending.
It's a lovely thing that makes nice noises with enough power to be fun (it's the only car that's made my dad swear when I accelerated out of a 30mph zone).
On the way home from london to Aberdeen it averaged 32mpg, in more normal use 18mpg seems to be about average but as I only do around 5k miles a year it's not really an issue.
I looked at the Mercedes CLS500 as well but I've wanted the 6 series since they were new but have avoided it because of the lack of practicality.
I've now decided that I can get by without back doors and that I don't really care if passengers are cramped.
Edited by Speed addicted on Monday 27th April 07:47
J4CKO said:
I run a 350Z and it does 18 MPG and has £500 VED, thing it, and don't tell those spending £400 a month to lease something that does 40 mpg and has £100 VED, it isn't depreciating at a noticeable rate.
A few at work express their amazement at 18 MPG and £500 tax but other than that, I pay £250 insurance and £40 for an MOT, maybe £200 on consumables as I do the servicing myself, so the whole thing costs me, including the difference in fuel costs, maybe £100 a month.
So, very similar for the BMW as well, but I will let the drivers of Merc C200 CDI's enjoy their 45 mpg, plus £350 a month of couse, cheap motoring that...
This! Even for things you cant do yourself find a specialist you trust that wont cost the earth but with basic tools these cars are relatively easy to service and look after. Like others have said do your research and understand what is likely to need replaced/fixed and what to look for when buying.A few at work express their amazement at 18 MPG and £500 tax but other than that, I pay £250 insurance and £40 for an MOT, maybe £200 on consumables as I do the servicing myself, so the whole thing costs me, including the difference in fuel costs, maybe £100 a month.
So, very similar for the BMW as well, but I will let the drivers of Merc C200 CDI's enjoy their 45 mpg, plus £350 a month of couse, cheap motoring that...
I have a 2007 630i. It's plenty quick enough for the traffic choked roads in the South, returns about 32mpg on a run (about 28 round town) and is quiet and comfortable once I'd replaced the run flats with proper tyres. The 3.0 engine is the smallest in the range, but it never feels out of breath. Contemporary reviews suggested it was a better over package than the V8's due to it being considerably lighter.
The looks are quite challenging and very colour dependent. Mine is black with red leather and looks pretty good (to my eyes). I had another previously for about 6 months that was turquoise with cream leather and it really didn't look great over here - strangely, that colour combo looks excellent in hot climates.
I bought mine 2 years ago as a BMW AUC with 55k miles on the clock and paid £12k for it. I was pretty fortunate to get the warranty, as I had to have a new radiator, new climate control unit and new sat nav unit fitted. It was a bit of a pain at the time, but now I know that I have a completely sorted car that has more than enough toys and doesn't owe me a penny.
ETA. Interestingly, the 630i was lighter than the 330i of the same vintage.
The looks are quite challenging and very colour dependent. Mine is black with red leather and looks pretty good (to my eyes). I had another previously for about 6 months that was turquoise with cream leather and it really didn't look great over here - strangely, that colour combo looks excellent in hot climates.
I bought mine 2 years ago as a BMW AUC with 55k miles on the clock and paid £12k for it. I was pretty fortunate to get the warranty, as I had to have a new radiator, new climate control unit and new sat nav unit fitted. It was a bit of a pain at the time, but now I know that I have a completely sorted car that has more than enough toys and doesn't owe me a penny.
ETA. Interestingly, the 630i was lighter than the 330i of the same vintage.
Edited by schmalex on Monday 27th April 10:47
cheddar said:
Major Fallout said:
I did just under 1k miles to Paris and back last weekend in my 650i - returned 38mpg.
Assuming sausage fingers and the 3 should be a 2?SkinnyPete said:
I think these are more reliable and cheaper to run than most people think, the 650i at least.
I think that any big BMW will in general be pretty reliable but has the potential for big bills and a whole load of niggly problems that individually aren't that expensive but together would fund a family holiday.Lovely cars - very comfortable up front especially with the sport seats and masses of space.. Boot is huge and a very good shape. Back seats quite useable - more so than an XKR as headroom is better and they're a better shape. As I understand it, the better ZF auto box and updated shift lever and paddles came with the 650i and the 635d and it's very good setup. Not drive a 645 but did drive a 650. Very nice engine indeed. Mine was an AUC and bought it last summer and very happy with it.
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