RE: Ford Mustang: Delivery Miles

[croyde]

I'm in London though. I'll move out if I can't insure it here.

I had stupid quotes and a lot of refusals when I nearly bought a 2011 GT last year.

[Matt Harper]

iloveboost said:

Have you seen US car prices? We pay VAT and a premium to own a RHD mustang, but over there it's even more of a bargain. If I lived in the US I'd probably buy a V8 Mustang or another muscle car asap.

Without fail - whenever any thread emerges discussing an American car and it's availability in the UK, this bullst gets trotted out.

[5ohmustang]

This is why you own a mustang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8rjM5dF5o

You don't buy a mustang to drive the ecoboost, v6 or an auto for the mustang experience. There is something about driving a v8 mustang that is magical, free and alive.

[TheRainMaker]

Repent said:

It's a well styled thing but I'm yet to see one that makes me think "Corrrrr" like a little kid, as the previous model did in certain specs. I'm sure I will though once the tuners get hold of them. I loved the masculinity of the previous models and this ones a bit to svelte in standard trim for me.

Our hire car from holiday :-)

Mustang Yosemite Park by just_an_amateur, on Flickr

Mustang Yosemite Park 5 by just_an_amateur, on Flickr

Mustang Santa Monica Sunset by just_an_amateur, on Flickr

Fantastic car tbh

[DonkeyApple]

5ohmustang said:

This is why you own a mustang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8rjM5dF5o

You don't buy a mustang to drive the ecoboost, v6 or an auto for the mustang experience. There is something about driving a v8 mustang that is magical, free and alive.

Very true. If it's not the V8 then why not buy an M135 where at least you get a straight six.

Obviously without the 4 pots generating the sales volume there wouldn't be a RHD V8 but of all the cars being sold few announce more clearly the prerequisite and expectation of a grumbly V8.

Why would you buy into Americana and then not have the V8? It just seems to be missing the actual point.

[croyde]

DonkeyApple said:

Very true. If it's not the V8 then why not buy an M135 where at least you get a straight six.

Obviously without the 4 pots generating the sales volume there wouldn't be a RHD V8 but of all the cars being sold few announce more clearly the prerequisite and expectation of a grumbly V8.

Why would you buy into Americana and then not have the V8? It just seems to be missing the actual point.

Totally agree although it kind of puzzles me that a lot of Americans are going for the 2.3 because they are worried about economy. Someone else pointed out that Americans tend to drive far bigger distances than us but then on the Freeway there are reports of the V8 hitting 30 miles to a US gallon and easily getting 26, plus then you have the added factor of their very cheap fuel, about a quarter of what we pay.

You can buy a 1960s classic Mustang quite cheaply if it only has the 6 pot. The V8 demands a much higher premium because that's what the buyers want and they feel that the bigger engine is what makes the car a Mustang.

Funnily enough, I understand that a majority of the UK orders are for the V8 and many PHers, including myself, have already got deposits down on the big 5.0.

[DonkeyApple]

croyde said:

Totally agree although it kind of puzzles me that a lot of Americans are going for the 2.3 because they are worried about economy. Someone else pointed out that Americans tend to drive far bigger distances than us but then on the Freeway there are reports of the V8 hitting 30 miles to a US gallon and easily getting 26, plus then you have the added factor of their very cheap fuel, about a quarter of what we pay.

You can buy a 1960s classic Mustang quite cheaply if it only has the 6 pot. The V8 demands a much higher premium because that's what the buyers want and they feel that the bigger engine is what makes the car a Mustang.

Funnily enough, I understand that a majority of the UK orders are for the V8 and many PHers, including myself, have already got deposits down on the big 5.0.

The mustang is an asperational product. The fact that Americans are buying the cheapest possible way in just highlights how screwed the US is underneath. Asperarational brands whatever the cost etc.

It's pleasing to hear that in the UK most people are buying the only credible product because I do feel that anything other than a V8 is just pointless due to this products icon status.

I think it's brilliant that these cars are finally coming to the UK officially and also that it is at a point in time when the product is genuinely good. The Coyote engine is a superb engine and by all accounts this is the first Mustang that really does work on normal roads and not just designed to work on 1000 mile runways.

£40 odd K for something with real pedigree and now also ability and without all the tttish brand pretentions of the more expensive equivalents seems like a good thing to me.

[unsprung]

croyde said:

DonkeyApple said:

Why would you buy into Americana and then not have the V8? It just seems to be missing the actual point.

Totally agree although it kind of puzzles me that a lot of Americans are going for the 2.3 because they are worried about economy.

The explanation is: segments. There are several segments of Mustang buyers in the US, and only one or two of these segments are traditional petrolhead enthusiasts.

The other segments include all sorts of people. There's the office manager in her 30s who merely wants a convertible. There's the "my first car" gifted by mum and dad to the 16 year old who earns his / her first driving license. There's the tuner dude who previously indulged in Japanese cars, but now wants a larger forced-induction mill to work with. And there's America's answer to "middle England" who might fancy a curvy coupe, but, "It can't be too wild, you understand."

In each of these segments, the EcoBoost four is perfect. It cannot be overstated that the key to an affordable Mustang GT (and the flat-plane GT350) is that Mustang, at its core, is for everybody.

During the car's first 24 months of existence (1964-1966), Ford sold more than one million Mustangs.

[J4CKO]

Part of the reason might be this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJn75u9C3SQ

12.6 1/4 mile with a remap.

I would get a V8 but it doesnt mean the Ecoboost doesnt have some good points.

[unsprung]

DonkeyApple said:

The mustang is an asperational product. The fact that Americans are buying the cheapest possible way in just highlights how screwed the US is underneath. Asperarational brands whatever the cost etc.

It's pleasing to hear that in the UK most people are buying the only credible product because I do feel that anything other than a V8 is just pointless due to this products icon status.

Sorry, but you sound like a snob.

And you've got the Mustang brand back to front. It's not aspirational; it's the people's sports car. And it's accessible. At least... in its domestic market.

[croyde]

J4CKO said:

Part of the reason might be this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJn75u9C3SQ

12.6 1/4 mile with a remap.

I would get a V8 but it doesnt mean the Ecoboost doesnt have some good points.

I agree that the EcoBoost will be plenty fast and according to some testers, handles better than the V8 due to less weight on the front end. Every part of my head that is concerned about cost and finances says get the 2.3, it's all I would ever need, but my heart and years of yearning has made me order the V8

[DonkeyApple]

unsprung said:

DonkeyApple said:

The mustang is an asperational product. The fact that Americans are buying the cheapest possible way in just highlights how screwed the US is underneath. Asperarational brands whatever the cost etc.

It's pleasing to hear that in the UK most people are buying the only credible product because I do feel that anything other than a V8 is just pointless due to this products icon status.

Sorry, but you sound like a snob.

And you've got the Mustang brand back to front. It's not aspirational; it's the people's sports car. And it's accessible. At least... in its domestic market.

It most certainly is asperational. Why do asperational goods need to be expensive? It's all relative. Yes it's the 'people's sports car' but those people aspire to own it.

I agree with your segment synopsis above about how the small pots work for certain buyers. My reference re the V8 was very much with PH in mind more than the general public.

And am I a snob? I don't think I'd be a fan of the Mustang if I were, don't you? Realist is probably more accurate. Why would a grown man you wishes to buy into true Americana and have a fun car not by the V8? The V8 aspect seems highly integral to the experience.

[5ohmustang]

A lot of Americans go for the smaller displacement mustangs because they want to drive an icon at the lowest possible price. Most of the mustangs I see daily are the v6 models. When I come across a v8, generally the owner is a driving enthusiast. The vast majority of female mustang drivers opt for the v6. My wife will only drive a v8.

Fuel is cheap in comparison to the UK. I pay around 18 quid to fill my gt with premium. However I drive a lot further distances than when I lived in the UK.

The coyote motor is a screamer.

My friends 750bhp 6.7 supercharged gto was beat by a 2014 gt mustang with just a vortech, everything else stock, the car can take it, stock engine, transmission, drive shaft.

Aspiration? Its subjective. For me it was totally aspirational, growing up in Lancashire, all I wanted was a v8 mustang.

[bridgdav]

In my experience talking to American friends, colleagues and Mustang admirers..
Many have owned a V8 sports car in years gone by. Yes, the mustang is the people's car, the market was/is flooded with them.. However the recent price hike for the GT has precluded many from buying new.

I hear so many stories from them - that they paid $10,000 or less for the iconic badge. Now the new GT is upwards of $35,000 the aspiration of owning a 2015 is beyond reach, where as the ecoboost is within a sensible budget, with realistic lease options too.

It is a beautiful car and 300+Bhp is not to be sniffed at. Whatever the reason for buying one, the fact is you pay your money you take your pick. As a petrolhead, I bought the V8 with performance pack and other extras..

[gsewell]

I think I saw the black GT in Lincoln yesterday. Looked mighty fine to me.