£70k everyday sports/supercar

[mattf93]

whoami said:

MissChief said:

whoami said:

mattf93 said:

red aston is local to me - dealers are good chaps. If you're a driver you'll prefer the buckets as those that drove the comfort seats said they don't offer enough lateral support.

They do.

He feels they don't, and said so. You feel they do, and have said so. A difference of opinion down to different body sizes and heights. I'm almost in shock. Almost.

Has he driven one?

I should've said in that quote (sorry) that many journos have said they don't offer enough lateral support if you're really throwing it around or more in their cases tracking it - have you tracked yours? As I think thats where the comparisons are.

Ive only sat in the comfort seats in one tbh, and they are comfortable and ok bolstered - I don't feel if you were going above 6/10 on the road they would offer enough support - Im not an overly big chap but nor am I slender either.

Just my personal opinion from sat in comfort seats and also from seeing stuff written online but no I have not driven one.

Perhaps my perception on the evora has been a bit harsh - but here is the problem, I think a lot of people the option is jag/porsche not lotus its usually die hard enthusiasts that tend to have them - I certainly haven't met a person in reality thats used a lotus as a daily driver - just an observation.

Interesting points raised so far though. Drive R8s/ Aston v12s or if you really want to an Evora but seems you've written that one off already :P

[ryandoc]

GranTurismo 4.7 MC shift owner of 4 weeks. I was worried about the gearbox as it's an SMG. However it genuinely is a great box. And you soon figure out the best changes. My mate has a 355 F1 Berlineta, stunning car with real soul but the gearbox is crap if we're honest.
The GTS box is light years ahead of it.

Stunning stunning car, turns heads everywhere and I dnt think I have, or ever will hear a better car in my life

[mattf93]

ryandoc said:

GranTurismo 4.7 MC shift owner of 4 weeks. I was worried about the gearbox as it's an SMG. However it genuinely is a great box. And you soon figure out the best changes. My mate has a 355 F1 Berlineta, stunning car with real soul but the gearbox is crap if we're honest.
The GTS box is light years ahead of it.

Stunning stunning car, turns heads everywhere and I dnt think I have, or ever will hear a better car in my life

the box in yours is a derivative of the box used in a Ferrari F430 with Im guessing the updated/tweaked software so is bound to be miles better at least 10 years ahead of a 355 F1 box MC shift in the MC Stradale is even better too

[hven]

what are servicing costs of maserati ?

[ORD]

I don't think I could spend that mind of money on something without a special engine. No turbos. Not a Toyota engine with some tweaking.

The V12V or a GT3 911 would be my choices at 70k. I wouldn't go near an Audi at that money (even though the V10 R8 manual will hold money).

[Pooh]

I am not sure of the costs but the service interval is 2 years or 12000 miles so if you buy one that has just been serviced you could have two years of driving and not pay any service costs.

[ORD]

Starting to think the OP is time waster.
Who gives a f@ck about service costs? There won't be £1k in it between these cars.

[DonkeyApple]

ORD said:

Starting to think the OP is time waster.
Who gives a f@ck about service costs? There won't be £1k in it between these cars.

[hven]

I have no experience of Maserati, it's a different class of brand to Audi, so questioning the service cost is hardly time wasting. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/maserati/gra... suggests the service costs is a lot more than the £700 you pay at Audi.

Edited by hven on Monday 4th May 08:33

[limpsfield]

mattf93 said:

the box in yours is a derivative of the box used in a Ferrari F430 with Im guessing the updated/tweaked software so is bound to be miles better at least 10 years ahead of a 355 F1 box MC shift in the MC Stradale is even better too

Matt I have noticed that you seemed to have popped up on quite a few threads in recent weeks offering advice on a wide range of cars. How did you get so much experience - are you a relation of Twincam?

Edited: just checked your profile and can see you are still a student.

Edited by limpsfield on Monday 4th May 08:47

[ORD]

hven said:

I have no experience of Maserati, it's a different class of brand to Audi, so questioning the service cost is hardly time wasting. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/maserati/gra... suggests the service costs is a lot more than the £700 you pay at Audi.

Edited by hven on Monday 4th May 08:33

You're missing the point. Say a service costs £1k more, for the sake of argument - that is still an irrelevance in the context of the total cost of purchase and ownership over the period.

If you are worried about servicing costs, you cannot afford a 70k car.

[mattf93]

limpsfield said:

Matt I have noticed that you seemed to have popped up on quite a few threads in recent weeks offering advice on a wide range of cars. How did you get so much experience - are you a relation of Twincam?

Edited: just checked your profile and can see you are still a student.

Edited by limpsfield on Monday 4th May 08:47

Unfortunately not from personal driving/ownership experience, just through lengthy conversations/passenger rides with local owners that I regularly meet with. No idea who twin cam is haha.

A lot of what I have said comes from my experience rather than personal ownership/driving, so obviously take what I say with a pinch of salt - doesnt make what I say wrong though?

Was in a 430 and a Maserati MC Stradale on saturday actually. Pretty much identical gearbox according to the owners, two completely different experiences. Not sure if you were using a 430 everyday it would be good - it just always seemed to want to go! Hence why the 430 was a second car to that owner as he wants it for special trips (also had carbon fixed seats so slightly less comfortable than standard seats). Maser was very comfortable but still a great car. As a daily prospect a better car over a 430 if its an only car; Has sat nav etc whereas the 430 is much more a drivers tool, has a radio and thats about it


Also heavily procrastinating from revising for my finals I am SO bored with intellectual property exceptions Zzzzz

[john banks]

Most people I know who can afford a £70k car choose not to buy one because of concerns about running costs, priorities etc. Perhaps that is why they can afford a £70k car.

[berlintaxi]

ORD said:

Starting to think the OP is time waster.

I would agree.

[blueg33]

I own an a Evora but at the ops price point I wouldn't recommend one as they still have depreciation to go. How much is a 911 gts?

Of course funning costs are an issue on a daily driver even if it is s £70k car. The difference in running costs between u Evora and s v8v at my mileage is about £1500 on basic service alone wash year. Add in parts, insurance and depreciation and the difference buys a decent holiday for 2.

[mattf93]

john banks said:

Most people I know who can afford a £70k car choose not to buy one because of concerns about running costs, priorities etc. Perhaps that is why they can afford a £70k car.

Yup. Eg they know their budgets and spending for a year and don't want any unexpected costs. e.g. x part needs changing at x amount of miles etc. Some people have so much money it doesn't bother them but these people are few and far between.
To most it seems that people plan and budget for their cars. If you have a 70k that costs you 15k a year to maintain its not really a 70k car to you anymore its considerably more.... Just an theoretical example.

A person doesnt get the wealth to spend on a high value car by spending money needlessly, or without assessing the full costs of something? I know a car is an emotional decision at the end of the day - but there needs to be an element of objectivity of a purchase and the financial realities of running said car.

That said as the saying goes 'if you can afford the car, you can afford the running costs'. Otherwise you don't buy the car.

Edited by mattf93 on Monday 4th May 10:26

[blueg33]

Forgot to add to my post that lovely as they are the maser grantourismo is not s sports car and has doubtful build quality. Great exhaust note.

[mattf93]

blueg33 said:

Forgot to add to my post that lovely as they are the maser grantourismo is not s sports car and has doubtful build quality. Great exhaust note.

Agree with the sportscar it is more of a Grand Tourer, especially due to the weight. Not so sure of build quality on recent masers (e.g. post 2011/12) being that doubtful though? I guess you'll always get horror stories though. Stradale has the best exhaust note - sounds expensive

Ireally should get off piston heads, I clog up too many feeds haha

[hven]

I think that's a rubbish argument to be honest. I'm buying a 5 year old £70k grand, one of the reasons being I don't want to lose 10s of thousands in depreciation. Just because I can afford the outlay doesn't mean I have money to burn.

Someone who buy a brand new £40-45k audi/merc on finance will lose more money over the same period of ownership, yet if they asked about running/service costs, it wouldn't be met with the same type of 'why do you care how much it costs' response. How's it any different?

I currently drive an RS4 which has manageable running costs for me so everything is relative to that. I considered moving into a newer year old RS4 at around £50k, which would lose £20k at least over 3 years so I figured I would look at older cars that won't bomb as much.

[hven]

blueg33 said:

Of course funning costs are an issue on a daily driver even if it is s £70k car. The difference in running costs between u Evora and s v8v at my mileage is about £1500 on basic service alone wash year. Add in parts, insurance and depreciation and the difference buys a decent holiday for 2.

Thank you.