£70k everyday sports/supercar
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mattf93 said:
blueg33 said:
Forgot to add to my post that lovely as they are the maser grantourismo is not s sports car and has doubtful build quality. Great exhaust note.
Agree with the sportscar it is more of a Grand Tourer, especially due to the weight. Not so sure of build quality on recent masers (e.g. post 2011/12) being that doubtful though? I guess you'll always get horror stories though. Stradale has the best exhaust note - sounds expensive 
Ireally should get off piston heads, I clog up too many feeds haha
hven said:
I have no experience of Maserati, it's a different class of brand to Audi, so questioning the service cost is hardly time wasting. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/maserati/gra... suggests the service costs is a lot more than the £700 you pay at Audi.
That is crazy, £900.00 to £1000.00 is more like it for a standard service.Edited by hven on Monday 4th May 08:33
hven said:
I think that's a rubbish argument to be honest. I'm buying a 5 year old £70k grand, one of the reasons being I don't want to lose 10s of thousands in depreciation. Just because I can afford the outlay doesn't mean I have money to burn.
Someone who buy a brand new £40-45k audi/merc on finance will lose more money over the same period of ownership, yet if they asked about running/service costs, it wouldn't be met with the same type of 'why do you care how much it costs' response. How's it any different?
I currently drive an RS4 which has manageable running costs for me so everything is relative to that. I considered moving into a newer year old RS4 at around £50k, which would lose £20k at least over 3 years so I figured I would look at older cars that won't bomb as much.
Well a 997.1 GT3 is the car for you then. Someone who buy a brand new £40-45k audi/merc on finance will lose more money over the same period of ownership, yet if they asked about running/service costs, it wouldn't be met with the same type of 'why do you care how much it costs' response. How's it any different?
I currently drive an RS4 which has manageable running costs for me so everything is relative to that. I considered moving into a newer year old RS4 at around £50k, which would lose £20k at least over 3 years so I figured I would look at older cars that won't bomb as much.
Jaguar F Type? the supercharged V6 may not appeal quite like a V8/10/12 but I think they look good and 60k gets a new, well spec'd car. Servicing and running costs should be that high either,the five year servicing pack option is 1500k though I didn't read what it offers. I know it's new and no one has an idea how they will depreciate though, except down!...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 4th May 10:51
blueg33 said:
Drove a 6 month old one a few times last year (it was in our LeMans convoy). Build quality really irked its owner. Things like wonky badges, creaks, storage cubby lids that didn't close etc
That link posted below of the 2011 car, the badge inside above the glovebox is wonky...Also the 2 seat model with carbon buckets.
I guess thats what comes with hand built cars (shouldn't at that price range) Aston Martin has similar issues with some cars though.
Quirks shouldn't really happen at this price point when you don't have problems with say an audi a4.
blueg33 said:
mattf93 said:
blueg33 said:
Forgot to add to my post that lovely as they are the maser grantourismo is not s sports car and has doubtful build quality. Great exhaust note.
Agree with the sportscar it is more of a Grand Tourer, especially due to the weight. Not so sure of build quality on recent masers (e.g. post 2011/12) being that doubtful though? I guess you'll always get horror stories though. Stradale has the best exhaust note - sounds expensive Ireally should get off piston heads, I clog up too many feeds haha
As for the sports car/grand tourer thing it all depends which gear box and suspension you have, the MC sport suspension is almost identical to the Stradale set up and makes it very good indeed through the corners.
Crikey but this is a random thread.
Of all the cars mentioned so far only one will actually make you feel "special" - the Sagaris. I rather suspect I'm the only bloke on the thread who has run one as his daily though and, well, ahem I had a knackered Fiesta as a backup! It won't be 100% reliable. BUT they do make you feel special as hell and you can run them to tesco, to the tip or transport your kitties in them. And go to work most days.
The GT3 option is the other but you aren't going to run it everyday. It's too firm. 997Turbo is the better shout there surely?
R8. No. It doesn't look special, it isn't special inside and there is no magic to what it does. It's competent but God it's ugly. An R10 I grant at least has an engine to sing
Vantage V12 - sod it, I can't think of much against it actually
The Maser is just ungainly.
Personally I'd be looking at if a Cali comes in at your price or an SL6x of some variety. For this money for what you appear to want I'd be needing something that delivered coupe and droptop.
Of all the cars mentioned so far only one will actually make you feel "special" - the Sagaris. I rather suspect I'm the only bloke on the thread who has run one as his daily though and, well, ahem I had a knackered Fiesta as a backup! It won't be 100% reliable. BUT they do make you feel special as hell and you can run them to tesco, to the tip or transport your kitties in them. And go to work most days.
The GT3 option is the other but you aren't going to run it everyday. It's too firm. 997Turbo is the better shout there surely?
R8. No. It doesn't look special, it isn't special inside and there is no magic to what it does. It's competent but God it's ugly. An R10 I grant at least has an engine to sing
Vantage V12 - sod it, I can't think of much against it actually
The Maser is just ungainly.
Personally I'd be looking at if a Cali comes in at your price or an SL6x of some variety. For this money for what you appear to want I'd be needing something that delivered coupe and droptop.
Running costs can differ greatly. Servicing will not. It's not a big deal.
I would be far more interested in:-
Price of warranty - can be thousands.
Size of tyre and how often it eats them - can be £500 per year easily.
Reliability.
Labour & parts costs - a very minor repair will cost you 2 or 3 times a service for most luxury cars.
Running costs matter, but servicing accounts for a tiny part of running costs.
For example, it typically costs people about £2k per year to run a modern Porsche excluding fuel costs. A few hundred quid of that is servicing.
I would be far more interested in:-
Price of warranty - can be thousands.
Size of tyre and how often it eats them - can be £500 per year easily.
Reliability.
Labour & parts costs - a very minor repair will cost you 2 or 3 times a service for most luxury cars.
Running costs matter, but servicing accounts for a tiny part of running costs.
For example, it typically costs people about £2k per year to run a modern Porsche excluding fuel costs. A few hundred quid of that is servicing.
DJRC said:
Crikey but this is a random thread.
Of all the cars mentioned so far only one will actually make you feel "special" - the Sagaris. I rather suspect I'm the only bloke on the thread who has run one as his daily though and, well, ahem I had a knackered Fiesta as a backup! It won't be 100% reliable. BUT they do make you feel special as hell and you can run them to tesco, to the tip or transport your kitties in them. And go to work most days.
The GT3 option is the other but you aren't going to run it everyday. It's too firm. 997Turbo is the better shout there surely?
R8. No. It doesn't look special, it isn't special inside and there is no magic to what it does. It's competent but God it's ugly. An R10 I grant at least has an engine to sing
Vantage V12 - sod it, I can't think of much against it actually
The Maser is just ungainly.
Personally I'd be looking at if a Cali comes in at your price or an SL6x of some variety. For this money for what you appear to want I'd be needing something that delivered coupe and droptop.
That's just lots of personal opinion and assumptions.Of all the cars mentioned so far only one will actually make you feel "special" - the Sagaris. I rather suspect I'm the only bloke on the thread who has run one as his daily though and, well, ahem I had a knackered Fiesta as a backup! It won't be 100% reliable. BUT they do make you feel special as hell and you can run them to tesco, to the tip or transport your kitties in them. And go to work most days.
The GT3 option is the other but you aren't going to run it everyday. It's too firm. 997Turbo is the better shout there surely?
R8. No. It doesn't look special, it isn't special inside and there is no magic to what it does. It's competent but God it's ugly. An R10 I grant at least has an engine to sing
Vantage V12 - sod it, I can't think of much against it actually
The Maser is just ungainly.
Personally I'd be looking at if a Cali comes in at your price or an SL6x of some variety. For this money for what you appear to want I'd be needing something that delivered coupe and droptop.
The real answer to this is go and try some cars, speak to dealers, research it properly. Who's to say a Maserati won't feel really special? I absolutely love them and I'm positive driving one would be an event, for me.
Not really Mr Parker, it's just the way it is. Anything mass produced isn't really going to feel special inside. It just isn't, you can either take my word for it or go spend the tens of thousands more than once to find out. That being said anything truely "special" inside is going to come at a price, somehow. The Sagaris - I specified the colour and then the stitching on every single piece of upholstery in the cabin. Each piece of leather on the dash, each item of carpet, each panel of leather on each chair. Then the stitching. Of only a 250 run series. I then specified the paint and the wheels. I know that car is unique - and extraordinarily classy. You are not getting that on the Maser. Or the R8. Possibly the Aston but only if the original owner was an anally retentive a
hole like me or other Sagaris owners. Here I will contend there is a possibility as quite a few switched to Astons post TVR and as we all know TVR owners are basically special needs kids grown up.
There is special and there is special. If you spend £70k and one of the objective is feeling special then knowing you have only gone for a bit special will rankle. Unless you define how special you want to feel and it's level of importance relative to other aspects. For instance I currently drive a new SLK55, it's interior is much brtter screwed together, is a nice place but isn't remotely special compared to say the Sag, the Griff or my pre Fiat 308GTS. The engine however and foldy roof thing bring an air of epic' was none of those aforementioned could match - even the 3ltr Fez V8 at 6.5k.
If the OP wished to rate the engine aspect if special highly then a large capacity AMG V12 stands comparison to either the VAG V10 or the Aston V12.
So it comes back to the OP and his rankings of his requirements. A Vantage V12 seems to match most of his states requirements best. Wouldn't be my choice but ain't my dosh.
hole like me or other Sagaris owners. Here I will contend there is a possibility as quite a few switched to Astons post TVR and as we all know TVR owners are basically special needs kids grown up.There is special and there is special. If you spend £70k and one of the objective is feeling special then knowing you have only gone for a bit special will rankle. Unless you define how special you want to feel and it's level of importance relative to other aspects. For instance I currently drive a new SLK55, it's interior is much brtter screwed together, is a nice place but isn't remotely special compared to say the Sag, the Griff or my pre Fiat 308GTS. The engine however and foldy roof thing bring an air of epic' was none of those aforementioned could match - even the 3ltr Fez V8 at 6.5k.
If the OP wished to rate the engine aspect if special highly then a large capacity AMG V12 stands comparison to either the VAG V10 or the Aston V12.
So it comes back to the OP and his rankings of his requirements. A Vantage V12 seems to match most of his states requirements best. Wouldn't be my choice but ain't my dosh.
I thought this was a car website. Seems to be about interior design. Almost as bad as the GT3 owners' threads that are all about contrasting stitching and barely a mention of a 9k redline, instant throttle response, etc
Don't, for the love of bod, spend your money on something 'special' on the basis of a fancy interior or being 1 of 250 (which was probably about the size of the market anyway )
Don't, for the love of bod, spend your money on something 'special' on the basis of a fancy interior or being 1 of 250 (which was probably about the size of the market anyway
)DJRC said:
Not really Mr Parker, it's just the way it is. Anything mass produced isn't really going to feel special inside. It just isn't, you can either take my word for it or go spend the tens of thousands more than once to find out. That being said anything truely "special" inside is going to come at a price, somehow. The Sagaris - I specified the colour and then the stitching on every single piece of upholstery in the cabin. Each piece of leather on the dash, each item of carpet, each panel of leather on each chair. Then the stitching. Of only a 250 run series. I then specified the paint and the wheels. I know that car is unique - and extraordinarily classy. You are not getting that on the Maser. Or the R8. Possibly the Aston but only if the original owner was an anally retentive ahole like me or other Sagaris owners. Here I will contend there is a possibility as quite a few switched to Astons post TVR and as we all know TVR owners are basically special needs kids grown up.
There is special and there is special. If you spend £70k and one of the objective is feeling special then knowing you have only gone for a bit special will rankle. Unless you define how special you want to feel and it's level of importance relative to other aspects. For instance I currently drive a new SLK55, it's interior is much brtter screwed together, is a nice place but isn't remotely special compared to say the Sag, the Griff or my pre Fiat 308GTS. The engine however and foldy roof thing bring an air of epic' was none of those aforementioned could match - even the 3ltr Fez V8 at 6.5k.
If the OP wished to rate the engine aspect if special highly then a large capacity AMG V12 stands comparison to either the VAG V10 or the Aston V12.
So it comes back to the OP and his rankings of his requirements. A Vantage V12 seems to match most of his states requirements best. Wouldn't be my choice but ain't my dosh.
Interesting points, what can you pick a Sagaris up for though? Aren't they completely different price points? At 70k I wouldn't even give a car like that a look in, just too many things that could go wrong, and aesthetically its just not my thing - they do sound mega though.hole like me or other Sagaris owners. Here I will contend there is a possibility as quite a few switched to Astons post TVR and as we all know TVR owners are basically special needs kids grown up.There is special and there is special. If you spend £70k and one of the objective is feeling special then knowing you have only gone for a bit special will rankle. Unless you define how special you want to feel and it's level of importance relative to other aspects. For instance I currently drive a new SLK55, it's interior is much brtter screwed together, is a nice place but isn't remotely special compared to say the Sag, the Griff or my pre Fiat 308GTS. The engine however and foldy roof thing bring an air of epic' was none of those aforementioned could match - even the 3ltr Fez V8 at 6.5k.
If the OP wished to rate the engine aspect if special highly then a large capacity AMG V12 stands comparison to either the VAG V10 or the Aston V12.
So it comes back to the OP and his rankings of his requirements. A Vantage V12 seems to match most of his states requirements best. Wouldn't be my choice but ain't my dosh.
With relation to the Maser I wholeheartedly disagree, you can be as bespoke as you want to with the Atelier providing you have the money to pay for it. Alcantara works really nicely in the Stradale.
And the same goes for Astons, Handbuilt and if you want to go beyond the norm there is Q division which if you want to retrospectively alter things I'm sure they would - for a price.
I think you're quite dismissive of other brands, the r8 will be much better put together than your safaris - will it feel as bespoke inside probably not, but I don't think thats the point.
I guess everyones points are differently, but dont see your point about maserati, or Aston but can see part of your argument with r8 interior. Exterior to my eyes its a much better looking car than an Sagaris ever was - in coupe or spider shape.
ORD said:
I thought this was a car website. Seems to be about interior design. Almost as bad as the GT3 owners' threads that are all about contrasting stitching and barely a mention of a 9k redline, instant throttle response, etc
Don't, for the love of bod, spend your money on something 'special' on the basis of a fancy interior or being 1 of 250 (which was probably about the size of the market anyway )
Ill stick to Maserati MC Stradale (If you can get one) otherwise MC shift sport post facelift, V12 Vantage, DBS, DB9, R8V10. Would be the choices. All depends on whats best for you Don't, for the love of bod, spend your money on something 'special' on the basis of a fancy interior or being 1 of 250 (which was probably about the size of the market anyway
) Only the OP can make his mind up on what he wants Edited by mattf93 on Monday 4th May 15:56
Made some enquires on one of the Aston V12's within (sorta) range, no room for movement in price so it's a bit over budget. Need to drive one but think out of everything mentioned this would be my number one choice. R8 V10 is a safer choice, and I would agree, somewhat less special choice.
Pooh said:
I love TVRs, I have had three and driven others but you really need to broaden your horizons a little.
I like TVRs but they would never make me feel special in the way a Maserati or Aston Martin would, not in a million years - Brands are different levels in my opinion.
hven said:
Made some enquires on one of the Aston V12's within (sorta) range, no room for movement in price so it's a bit over budget. Need to drive one but think out of everything mentioned this would be my number one choice. R8 V10 is a safer choice, and I would agree, somewhat less special choice.
Was this the grey one I mentioned from Stratsone? If so Badger them, they're buggers for being tight. Good luck finding one, and test drive it, you may hate it and prefer the r8 who knows - good luck
Edited by mattf93 on Monday 4th May 16:03
yep, it was that one. It's up at £75,215 at he said it's just been reduced from £75991 so there's not room for anymore. :-) Said I needed to be nearer 70 and he then mentioned finance so hey ho..
The aston seems to be a lot more practical than the R8, in that it's got a somewhat half decent boot and more space behind the seats.
The aston seems to be a lot more practical than the R8, in that it's got a somewhat half decent boot and more space behind the seats.
Edited by hven on Monday 4th May 16:12
hven said:
yep, it was that one. It's up at £75,215 at he said it's just been reduced from £75991 so there's not room for anymore. :-) Said I needed to be nearer 70 and he then mentioned finance so hey ho..
Keep trying bud. There will still be give in that, as per a lot of salesman he just wants as much for himself. I would guess it could come down some from where its at. I personally prefer the red one thats sat at 71K but understand that colour isn't to everyones taste - and 10K more miles will no doubt make a difference.
Is the vantage close to you? Arrange a test drive of one - that isn't over in 10 minutes :P
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