£70k everyday sports/supercar

[mattf93]

ZX10R NIN said:

OP Get a Maserati Gran Turismo great noise great car



Reliable fun & comfortable

Indeed, is that yours? If so why an earth have you made the badging red? :O Just no no no no no no no!!!

[ZX10R NIN]

mattf93 said:

Indeed, is that yours? If so why an earth have you made the badging red? :O Just no no no no no no no!!!

No longer mine the new owner wanted the badges(I own a Bodyshop) painted so I obliged, not to my taste but he was happy & more importantly Paying it's up for sale again at Nuvola great car if it wasn't for my new project I might have bought it.

[blueg33]

£72k gets you a new Lotus Evora 400. 2+2 (if you need it), 400bhp, 0-60 in 4 secs or so, 186mph top speed, surprisingly low running costs, rare, comfy etc

[mattf93]

blueg33 said:

£72k gets you a new Lotus Evora 400. 2+2 (if you need it), 400bhp, 0-60 in 4 secs or so, 186mph top speed, surprisingly low running costs, rare, comfy etc

Don't forget options probably won't see it costing less than £80k, personally that opens it up to much more serious and higher powered competition. (Although with a different company ethos than lotus mind you) I couldnt see myself personally spending that kind of money on a lotus, even with 400 bhp.

[blueg33]

mattf93 said:

blueg33 said:

£72k gets you a new Lotus Evora 400. 2+2 (if you need it), 400bhp, 0-60 in 4 secs or so, 186mph top speed, surprisingly low running costs, rare, comfy etc

Don't forget options probably won't see it costing less than £80k, personally that opens it up to much more serious and higher powered competition. (Although with a different company ethos than lotus mind you) I couldnt see myself personally spending that kind of money on a lotus, even with 400 bhp.

Depends on the options, but £80k is about the max, I reckon there is room for negotiation. In terms of new cars for £80k what is going to be better that is supercar ish?

I'm not sure that there is all that much available.

Nissan GTR - certainly wouldn't be for me, doesn't look like a supercar really
Jaguar F Type R - probably the only one that can tick the same boxes, but pretty common these days

Edited by blueg33 on Friday 29th May 12:10

[mattf93]

blueg33 said:

Depends on the options, but £80k is about the max, I reckon there is room for negotiation. In terms of new cars for £80k what is going to be better that is supercar ish?

I'm not sure that there is all that much available.

But this discussion isn't based purely on new cars? otherwise an R8 V10, DBS etc wouldn't be capable of being considered.
Not everyone wants a brand new car (or the instant depreciation they face) so there is a plethora of cars to choose from with all ranges of talents

ZX10R NIN said:

No longer mine the new owner wanted the badges(I own a Bodyshop) painted so I obliged, not to my taste but he was happy & more importantly Paying it's up for sale again at Nuvola great car if it wasn't for my new project I might have bought it.

Was the new owner young or just stupid? I can understand from your point of view why you'd do it but by god it makes it go from classy to tacky with a tiny bit of paint! And I can't be the only one on here that thinks that? nice car without those modifications - glad you have better taste

[Pooh]

I have a Maserati GranTurismo S and have driven an Evora, the Evora is a lovely car and if I was spending £30k it would be high on my list but the Maserati is in a whole different league and I didn't even consider an Evora when I spent £70k. The Maserati is also holding its value very well and I doubt that would be the case for a £70k Evora.

[blueg33]

mattf93 said:

blueg33 said:

Depends on the options, but £80k is about the max, I reckon there is room for negotiation. In terms of new cars for £80k what is going to be better that is supercar ish?

I'm not sure that there is all that much available.

But this discussion isn't based purely on new cars? otherwise an R8 V10, DBS etc wouldn't be capable of being considered.
Not everyone wants a brand new car (or the instant depreciation they face) so there is a plethora of cars to choose from with all ranges of talents

I don't disagree with that, obviously when the Evora has been out for a couple of years used ones will be cheaper, I was pointing out that as a new car there is little to comptete.

As for the Maser, the looks and sound are great, the build quality is at least as questionable as the Evora and at the same price point for a new one, its slower. Over about 5 years the Evora holds its value better

[cheeky]

If you can still find one for that money, a Ferrari 550 would fit the bill, although the boot isn't all that big (bigger than some of the others being touted here though).

Alternatively, for half the money, you could have a post-depreciation Corvette C6 Z06 with its 500+hp, great handling and huge boot (swallows a road bike easily, along with luggage etc.). In fact you could have mine! I really must get round to advertising it...

[Nero44]

Ferrari 360. No contest! (IMHO)

Ran one for a year, did 6000 miles and I used it every occasion I could, whether to pick up milk or golf trip to France. Never went wrong, and surprisingly practical - decent shelf behind seats for clubs/bags/boxes of wine (or indeed all three) and the boot is a decent size. It was not garaged either.

Won't lose money on depreciation if you get a good one, looks stunning and sounds even better. I don't think personally any aspect of the 360 looks dated and actually looks better with time. I'll have another one, over a 355 and 430. But then beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I will get slated here but I loved the F1 gearbox. Makes it a doddle in traffic and when pressing suits the car down to the ground.

[otolith]

mattf93 said:

But this discussion isn't based purely on new cars? otherwise an R8 V10, DBS etc wouldn't be capable of being considered.
Not everyone wants a brand new car (or the instant depreciation they face) so there is a plethora of cars to choose from with all ranges of talents.

Someone should start making used cars, they'd clean up.

There are very good reasons why buying new is financial insanity, but they don't apply only to the Evora.

[Pooh]

blueg33 said:

As for the Maser, the looks and sound are great, the build quality is at least as questionable as the Evora and at the same price point for a new one, its slower. Over about 5 years the Evora holds its value better

The build quality is vastly superior as is the engine and interior, as for being slower does the Evora do more than 183mph? A £70k Evora would lose far more than a £70k Maserati 4.7 GTS over five years given that Maserati values are dropping extremely slowly if at all.
Have you ever actually driven a Maserati GranTurismo S?

Edited by Pooh on Friday 29th May 20:21

[ZX10R NIN]

mattf93 said:

Was the new owner young or just stupid? I can understand from your point of view why you'd do it but by god it makes it go from classy to tacky with a tiny bit of paint! And I can't be the only one on here that thinks that? nice car without those modifications - glad you have better taste

LOL I hear you but it is only a bit of paint the Larini exhaust was the cherry on top, quiet when commuting then full on Nascar when you hit the Sport Button.

This would be my pick:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

2nd Choice: MC Stradale
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

3rd Choice:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

If I couldn't choose a Maserati it'd be one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

[blueg33]

Pooh said:

blueg33 said:

As for the Maser, the looks and sound are great, the build quality is at least as questionable as the Evora and at the same price point for a new one, its slower. Over about 5 years the Evora holds its value better

The build quality is vastly superior as is the engine and interior, as for being slower does the Evora do more than 183mph? A £70k Evora would lose far more than a £70k Maserati 4.7 GTS over five years given that Maserati values are dropping extremely slowly if at all.
Have you ever actually driven a Maserati GranTurismo S?

Edited by Pooh on Friday 29th May 20:21

Having swapped cars with my Maser Gran Cabrio owning mate last year on our Le Mans trip, I would disagree. Its easy to confuse luxury with quality, but on his car the glove box would close, all of the badges were askew. His car cost £110k ish. The badges thing really annoyed him as he is OCD about his cars.

As for performance, on paper the Gran Cabrio S is 0-60 in 4.9, ie the same as my Evora and 177mph top speed , so about 10 mph faster but who does tat speed anyway. Any where with a bend the Evora leaves the Maser standing, on a long straight the Maser catches up. The Maser is a GT car the Evora is a sports car.

ps. I have the slow n/a Evora the others are quicker and the Evora 400 much quicker.

Also when I bought the evora I test drove Gran Tourismo, Aston V8v both nice cars, but neither drive as well as the Evora, Aston has the best quality.

Edited by blueg33 on Friday 29th May 21:26

Edited by blueg33 on Friday 29th May 21:34

[whoami]

blueg33 said:

the Evora is a supercar.

[blueg33]

whoami said:

meant sports car sorry

[ORD]

blueg33 said:

Having swapped cars with my Maser Gran Cabrio owning mate last year on our Le Mans trip, I would disagree. Its easy to confuse luxury with quality, but on his car the glove box would close, all of the badges were askew. His car cost £130k ish.

As for performance on paper the Gran Cabrio S is 0-60 in 4.9, ie the same as my Evora and 177mph top speed , so about 10 mph faster but who does tat speed anyway. Any where with a bend the Evora leaves the Maser standing. The Maser is a GT car the Evora is a supercar.

Agree re the Maser, but you must be kidding re the Evora. It's a sports car, and a bloody good one; but it is nothing like supercar performance.

[Pooh]

blueg33 said:

Pooh said:

blueg33 said:

As for the Maser, the looks and sound are great, the build quality is at least as questionable as the Evora and at the same price point for a new one, its slower. Over about 5 years the Evora holds its value better

The build quality is vastly superior as is the engine and interior, as for being slower does the Evora do more than 183mph? A £70k Evora would lose far more than a £70k Maserati 4.7 GTS over five years given that Maserati values are dropping extremely slowly if at all.
Have you ever actually driven a Maserati GranTurismo S?

Edited by Pooh on Friday 29th May 20:21

Having swapped cars with my Maser Gran Cabrio owning mate last year on our Le Mans trip, I would disagree. Its easy to confuse luxury with quality, but on his car the glove box would close, all of the badges were askew. His car cost £110k ish. The badges thing really annoyed him as he is OCD about his cars.

As for performance, on paper the Gran Cabrio S is 0-60 in 4.9, ie the same as my Evora and 177mph top speed , so about 10 mph faster but who does tat speed anyway. Any where with a bend the Evora leaves the Maser standing, on a long straight the Maser catches up. The Maser is a GT car the Evora is a supercar.

ps. I have the slow n/a Evora the others are quicker and the Evora 400 much quicker.

Also when I bought the evora I test drove Gran Tourismo, Aston V8v both nice cars, but neither drive as well as the Evora, Aston has the best quality

Edited by blueg33 on Friday 29th May 21:26

My experience of the build quality is totally the opposite and I was very disappointed with the build quality of a DB9 I drove, I have lived with the Maserati for over a year and 8k miles so I probably have a better idea of its quality and abilities than you.
You stated that the Evora is faster but it isn't. I couldn't care less because it is plenty fast enough for the public road.
With regard to the handling it depends which model you drove, there are three suspension options and they make a big difference to how it drives, my car has essentially the Stradale set up and handles very well indeed. The Evora is a bit better but how often does that really matter in real world driving compared to the Maseratis vastly superior engine which has an effect on every mile you drive?
As I said, I like the Evora and might consider one in the future but the Maserati is in a different league, which it certainly ought to be given the difference in the list price.

[ORD]

Different cars! One is a sportyish GT and the other is a Lotus! It's like comparing a Caterham with a 6 series (well, not quite, but you get the point).

For what it is worth, I would expect the Evora to be a lot quicker on almost any country road or track. Anywhere but a motorway, I would expect the Lotus to be decidedly faster - lower, lighter, better suspension, similar power to weight ratio (at a guess).

I don't really think of Maseratis as sports cars. More like Astons - gentleman's cruisers with nice engines and decent handling.

[blueg33]

ORD said:

blueg33 said:

Having swapped cars with my Maser Gran Cabrio owning mate last year on our Le Mans trip, I would disagree. Its easy to confuse luxury with quality, but on his car the glove box would close, all of the badges were askew. His car cost £130k ish.

As for performance on paper the Gran Cabrio S is 0-60 in 4.9, ie the same as my Evora and 177mph top speed , so about 10 mph faster but who does tat speed anyway. Any where with a bend the Evora leaves the Maser standing. The Maser is a GT car the Evora is a supercar.

Agree re the Maser, but you must be kidding re the Evora. It's a sports car, and a bloody good one; but it is nothing like supercar performance.

I corrected myself. I meant to type sports car.